The Dawkins criticism page

[jiminski]

Indeed. That was Dito, btw.

I have some strange affliction that makes me mentally pair people on this forum. You could probably do worse than Dito as your alter ego.

It happens. Guiscard always used to do the same thing to me too...

i think you mean Stopper

[Neoteny]

Indeed. That was Dito, btw.

I have some strange affliction that makes me mentally pair people on this forum. You could probably do worse than Dito as your alter ego.

It happens. Guiscard always used to do the same thing to me too...

i think you mean Stopper

No, Guiscard used to confuse me with someone else... someone with an N-name, I think, but I don't remember exactly who. I'm halfway tempted to go digging through the fossils. I don't think I ever actually saw Stopper post much. He was on his way out when I started posting.

I'll also meant this face => rather than the one I used.

[Backglass]

For example, the plague of frogs, even the death of the first born.... all can have logical scientific explanations.
(I cannot remember the exact details, but the frogs had to do with changes in the Nile River that happen, albiet rarely. The plague could have been due to gases, I think sulphuric acid? It happened in Cameroon a few years ago. Since first born sleep on beds (or it could have even been the reverse... that first born slept lower down), they were closer to the poisons and were killed, whereas the rest survived).

Sooooo, these examples wouldn't be miracles then. Correct?

Another answer is simply that the days of miracles are past. They come in waves, in periods when God needs to prove something. He does not feel the need right now.

Of course...that's always the easy answer. "It's not in his plan and who are we to question that plan".

A third answer is that miracles DO occur now, but many people just dismiss them as "science" or "unexplained, but not a miracle".

And a fourth answer is that none of these events are the result of some invisible being. I will stick with that one.

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For example, the plague of frogs, even the death of the first born.... all can have logical scientific explanations.
(I cannot remember the exact details, but the frogs had to do with changes in the Nile River that happen, albiet rarely. The plague could have been due to gases, I think sulphuric acid? It happened in Cameroon a few years ago. Since first born sleep on beds (or it could have even been the reverse... that first born slept lower down), they were closer to the poisons and were killed, whereas the rest survived).

Sooooo, these examples wouldn't be miracles then. Correct?

No, they would be considered miracles in Biblical times. It just so happens that we take for granted miracles because we understand how they happen.

I mean, really .. without getting into the whole "morality" or "value" bit .. isn't the fact that you and I, on completely differant parts of this continent, can sit here and communicate so freely pretty amazing? Something of a miracle?

Another answer is simply that the days of miracles are past. They come in waves, in periods when God needs to prove something. He does not feel the need right now.

Of course...that's always the easy answer. "It's not in his plan and who are we to question that plan".

A third answer is that miracles DO occur now, but many people just dismiss them as "science" or "unexplained, but not a miracle".

And a fourth answer is that none of these events are the result of some invisible being. I will stick with that one.

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You are welcome to that view ... you asked, I answered. I don't require you to agree