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Re: Hate Speech

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:29 pm

j9b wrote:- i criticize atheists more than theists because atheists in general are more intolerant, jump to more conclusions, have less evidence for their beliefs, and support the elimination of an ideology that i believe is beneficial for society. i rarely criticize theists because they are (usually) more tolerant, rarely resort to petty insults, and acknowledge that their belief is ACTUALLY A BELIEF and not the "default position". it's that simple.


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Re: Hate Speech

Postby john9blue on Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:48 pm

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
j9b wrote:- i criticize atheists more than theists because atheists in general are more intolerant, jump to more conclusions, have less evidence for their beliefs, and support the elimination of an ideology that i believe is beneficial for society. i rarely criticize theists because they are (usually) more tolerant, rarely resort to petty insults, and acknowledge that their belief is ACTUALLY A BELIEF and not the "default position". it's that simple.


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i am sorry that you've had to spend time around intolerant christians.

really, i am.

it's too bad that some bad apples can taint your perception of a group composed mostly of good people, from what i can tell.
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Re: Hate Speech

Postby Lootifer on Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:49 pm

Phatscotty wrote:I criticize Atheists far more than Theists because Atheist's are far more fundamentalist in my experience.

You know fundamentalism means something entirly different when applied to athiests instead of thiests right?

Fundamentalism in athiesm is a good thing because it shows the person is working from the ground up. The ground up approach in athiesm, because of its inherant scientific foundation, shows that the person is a critical thinker (challanges their own belief) and putting rationalisation ahead of blind faith (which athiesm has its fair share of).

On the other hand fundamentalism in thiesm is a bad thing because the fundamentals/literal interpretations of religion tends to conflict with critical thinking and is the part of the belief spectrum where blind faith is expected.
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Re: Hate Speech

Postby john9blue on Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:09 pm

oh geez.

"atheism has a scientific foundation" eh?

what scientific foundation?

"SOME RELIGIONS DON'T BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION AND EVOLUTION IS SCIENCE THEREFORE ATHEISM IS SCIENCE" doesn't count, by the way.
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Re: Hate Speech

Postby Lootifer on Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:18 pm

john9blue wrote:oh geez.

"atheism has a scientific foundation" eh?

what scientific foundation?

"SOME RELIGIONS DON'T BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION AND EVOLUTION IS SCIENCE THEREFORE ATHEISM IS SCIENCE" doesn't count, by the way.

Their belief is based on scientific evidence and theories; just like Christians belief is based on the bible...

Never said athiesm = science; its not; I think you're attacking me for something you think I think rather than something I actually think...
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Re: Hate Speech

Postby john9blue on Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:19 pm

Lootifer wrote:Their belief is based on scientific evidence and theories; just like Christians belief is based on the bible...

Never said athiesm = science; its not; I think you're attacking me for something you think I think rather than something I actually think...


specifically what scientific evidence are you talking about?
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Re: Hate Speech

Postby Lootifer on Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:27 pm

john9blue wrote:
Lootifer wrote:Their belief is based on scientific evidence and theories; just like Christians belief is based on the bible...

Never said athiesm = science; its not; I think you're attacking me for something you think I think rather than something I actually think...


specifically what scientific evidence are you talking about?

Im not an athiest so I cant really say confidently; but I assume athiesm fundamentals are things like age of the earth/sun/universe, t=0 events, etc, which all have ties back to schools in science.

Dont get me wrong, im not saying religion is devoid of perfectly valid scientific study and critical thinking. Im just saying that fundamentalism applies differently to the two beliefs.

Fundamentalism in Athiesm tends to mean rationalisation thru things like the study of t=0 events.

Fundamentalism in Thiesm tends to mean literal interpretation of doctrine.
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Re: Hate Speech

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:27 pm

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Re: Hate Speech

Postby Lootifer on Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:00 pm

lol.
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Re: Hate Speech

Postby chang50 on Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:36 am

Phatscotty wrote:
bedub1 wrote:
john9blue wrote:i criticize atheists more than theists because atheists in general have less evidence for their beliefs

That's the dumbest thing I've ever read.


I think what JB is getting at is Atheist's have just as much proof there is no God as Theist's have that there is a God.

I criticize Atheists far more than Theists because Atheist's are far more fundamentalist in my experience.


Just when you thought you've read the dumbest thing ever..
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Re: Hate Speech

Postby Neoteny on Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:18 am

john9blue wrote:because forcing someone who is so sure of how the world works to express doubt in their worldview seems to be an act of ideological aggression


lol, when did you become an atheist john? That's almost a direct quote from our secret "Things to bleat at Christians when we are frustrated" handbook.

john9blue wrote:maybe i should clear up some misconceptions that you seem to have about what i think.

- being a liberal has nothing to do with anything. i think church and state should be totally separate. there ARE patterns in modern liberal thought that lead to militant atheism, though.

- i'm not arguing from a christian point of view. when have i EVER used the bible or any other religious doctrine to support my opinions?

- i think the god hypothesis is a scientific question and that we can "know" about it.

- i criticize atheists more than theists because atheists in general are more intolerant, jump to more conclusions, have less evidence for their beliefs, and support the elimination of an ideology that i believe is beneficial for society. i rarely criticize theists because they are (usually) more tolerant, rarely resort to petty insults, and acknowledge that their belief is ACTUALLY A BELIEF and not the "default position". it's that simple.


Your first two points relate to parts of my post wherein I was being facetious. They are irrelevant. Your third point is gobbledygook (to quote a friend of a friend, "I don't want to get involved in that tomfoolery"), and your fourth point is wishful thinking. It's fair to say there are more tolerant Christians within the context of there being a shit-ton of Christians. Let's be fair, the proportion of asshole atheists to wimpy atheists is probably the same as the proportion of asshole Christians to wimpy Christians.
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Re: Hate Speech

Postby bedub1 on Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:51 am

chang50 wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
bedub1 wrote:
john9blue wrote:i criticize atheists more than theists because atheists in general have less evidence for their beliefs

That's the dumbest thing I've ever read.


I think what JB is getting at is Atheist's have just as much proof there is no God as Theist's have that there is a God.

I criticize Atheists far more than Theists because Atheist's are far more fundamentalist in my experience.


Just when you thought you've read the dumbest thing ever..

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