ATTN: People Who Believe in Creation Myths

[pmchugh]

Player Christianity is completely unfalsifiable but this does not make it viable, likely or reasonable. You are quite right in that we cannot assume a level playing field between all unfalsfiable beliefs, it just so happens that your claim is not at all clever.

Nope, becuase this is not just about being unflasifiable. That is the atheistic claim. Christians claim to have proof, but don't claim it is proof that we can trot out for others to view at will.

What makes you ignorant is that you claim anything you don't know and cannot be shown cannot be possible. Not the idea that you disbelieve, but to criticize people who do without proof that our ideas are wrong.. that is ALWAYS a position of ignorance, not truth.

That is true whether it is a scientist with a black box spitting out data you don't understand or someone entering matters of faith. To not believe because you don't understand.. is reasonable, but to dismiss those ideas as wrong becuase you yourself don't personally see it.. is not.

Lies, I never said this. In fact it is impossible to prove almost anything with 100% certainty, but that doesn't mean we cannot assess the likelihood of it being true. Unfortunately in the case of Christianity almost any rational that can be used to defend it is equally valid for a whole host of religions, including the Church of the FSM.

I have proof that the FSM exists, I just can't show you it. See what I mean?

By the same logical you must not dismiss the following ideas as wrong; Evlis is alive, I am destined to marry Cheryl Cole, 9/11 was orchestrated by Dick Cheney, many people have been abducted by aliens, Scientology is the one true religion, the world will end in 2012 just as the mayans predicted, the reason people exist is to give the world plastic because it couldn't create it itself, witches are responsible for the common cold etc. etc. If someone tried to tell you these things were true are you telling me you would respect their opinions?

[BigBallinStalin]

Player Christianity is completely unfalsifiable but this does not make it viable, likely or reasonable. You are quite right in that we cannot assume a level playing field between all unfalsfiable beliefs, it just so happens that your claim is not at all clever.

Nope, becuase this is not just about being unflasifiable. That is the atheistic claim. Christians claim to have proof, but don't claim it is proof that we can trot out for others to view at will.

What makes you ignorant is that you claim anything you don't know and cannot be shown cannot be possible. Not the idea that you disbelieve, but to criticize people who do without proof that our ideas are wrong.. that is ALWAYS a position of ignorance, not truth.

That is true whether it is a scientist with a black box spitting out data you don't understand or someone entering matters of faith. To not believe because you don't understand.. is reasonable, but to dismiss those ideas as wrong becuase you yourself don't personally see it.. is not.

Lies, I never said this. In fact it is impossible to prove almost anything with 100% certainty, but that doesn't mean we cannot assess the likelihood of it being true. Unfortunately in the case of Christianity almost any rational that can be used to defend it is equally valid for a whole host of religions, including the Church of the FSM.

I have proof that the FSM exists, I just can't show you it. See what I mean?

By the same logical you must not dismiss the following ideas as wrong; Evlis is alive, I am destined to marry Cheryl Cole, 9/11 was orchestrated by Dick Cheney, many people have been abducted by aliens, Scientology is the one true religion, the world will end in 2012 just as the mayans predicted, the reason people exist is to give the world plastic because it couldn't create it itself, witches are responsible for the common cold etc. etc. If someone tried to tell you these things were true are you telling me you would respect their opinions?

[pmchugh]

I <3 Carlin.

[PLAYER57832]

Player Christianity is completely unfalsifiable but this does not make it viable, likely or reasonable. You are quite right in that we cannot assume a level playing field between all unfalsfiable beliefs, it just so happens that your claim is not at all clever.

Nope, becuase this is not just about being unflasifiable. That is the atheistic claim.

Christians claim to have proof, but don't claim it is proof that we can trot out for others to view at will.

What makes you ignorant is that you claim anything you don't know and cannot be shown cannot be possible. Not the idea that you disbelieve, but to criticize people who do without proof that our ideas are wrong.. that is ALWAYS a position of ignorance, not truth.

That is true whether it is a scientist with a black box spitting out data you don't understand or someone entering matters of faith. To not believe because you don't understand.. is reasonable, but to dismiss those ideas as wrong becuase you yourself don't personally see it.. is not.

Lies, I never said this. In fact it is impossible to prove almost anything with 100% certainty, but that doesn't mean we cannot assess the likelihood of it being true. Unfortunately in the case of Christianity almost any rational that can be used to defend it is equally valid for a whole host of religions, including the Church of the FSM.

The rational for Christianity are not identical to any other thought. However, getting into that requires delving into Christianity more than you wish.

What is true is that most sustaining religions are potentially possible. Those that are not get changed or thrown away. Atheism is a bit different because it is one very specific belief, not a full religion. It can therefore be more directly attacked, though it is an idea that cannot be proven or disproven.

I have proof that the FSM exists, I just can't show you it. See what I mean?
No dice. Its not true, we all know it... and that makes the world of difference.
You claim is akin to saying that a cardboard box I have is just empty, so therefore any box anyone holds up is obviously empty as well. You only think it makes sense because you have not opened the box to see if anything exists elsewhere.

By the same logical you must not dismiss the following ideas as wrong; Evlis is alive, I am destined to marry Cheryl Cole, 9/11 was orchestrated by Dick Cheney, many people have been abducted by aliens, Scientology is the one true religion, the world will end in 2012 just as the mayans predicted, the reason people exist is to give the world plastic because it couldn't create it itself, witches are responsible for the common cold etc. etc. If someone tried to tell you these things were true are you telling me you would respect their opinions?

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Nope. Given enough time, I could prove each of those incorrect. The same is absolutely not true for many religious viewpoints.

Your failure to recognize the difference, again, shows ignorance, not illumination.

[pmchugh]

You really think you could prove all of them to be wrong? I think there are maybe 5 things I listed there that many people believe to be true even after studying much of the evidence.

[chang50]

You really think you could prove all of them to be wrong? I think there are maybe 5 things I listed there that many people believe to be true even after studying much of the evidence.

I don't think anyone even knows where to start proving them wrong,but wait we're only poor ignorant atheists..

[pmchugh]

In fact even if she could prove them all wrong it wouldn't make a difference. The point is that she would immediately dismiss these ideas (as seen by her comment) and would probably consider anyone that held them to be of a less analytical mind than herself before even looking at the evidence. Face it player, you are a dirty and ignorant atheist towards witchcraft.

[pimpdave]