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George Takei on the tragedy of American Internment Camps

Postby Symmetry on Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:27 pm

Great article from a hero of mine:

George Takei wrote:Seventy years ago, US soldiers bearing bayoneted rifles came marching up to the front door of our family's home in Los Angeles, ordering us out. Our crime was looking like the people who had bombed Pearl Harbor a few months before. I'll never forget that day, nor the tears streaming down my mother's face as we were forcibly removed, herded off like animals, to a nearby race track. There, for weeks, we would live in a filthy horse stable while our "permanent" relocation camp was being constructed thousands of miles away in Arkansas, in a place called Rohwer.

I recently revisited Rohwer. Gone were the sentry towers, armed guards, barbed wire and crudely constructed barracks that defined our lives for many years. The swamp had been drained, the trees chopped down. Only miles and miles of cotton fields. The only thing remaining was the cemetery with two tall monuments.

Because I was a child, I didn't understand the depth of the degradation and deprivation my parents suffered, or how courageous and foresighted my mother had been to smuggle a sewing machine into camp, which permitted her to make modest curtains for our bare quarters. I didn't grasp what a blow the ordeal was to my father's role as provider, as he struggled to keep our family together. The family ate, bathed and did chores along with a whole community, pressed together in the confines of a makeshift camp, in the oppressive heat and mosquito-infested swamps of Arkansas.


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Re: George Takei on the tragedy of American Internment Camps

Postby Frigidus on Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:58 pm

I would venture a guess that a third of Americans have no idea that we treated Asian Americans the way we did during and after WWII. Some people like to put on the blinders and pretend that our history following the Civil War was a clean sheet.

Anyways, I had no idea Takei had been in one of the camps. I'm surprised he doesn't hold a grudge against our country as a whole.
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Re: George Takei on the tragedy of American Internment Camps

Postby Symmetry on Sun Apr 29, 2012 9:01 pm

Frigidus wrote:I would venture a guess that a third of Americans have no idea that we treated Asian Americans the way we did during and after WWII. Some people like to put on the blinders and pretend that our history following the Civil War was a clean sheet.

Anyways, I had no idea Takei had been in one of the camps. I'm surprised he doesn't hold a grudge against our country as a whole.


The article is pretty moving, and remarkably free from bitterness. His take seems to be that it was and still is his country.
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Re: George Takei on the tragedy of American Internment Camps

Postby Army of GOD on Sun Apr 29, 2012 9:29 pm

Frigidus wrote:I would venture a guess that a third of Americans have no idea that we treated Asian Americans the way we did during and after WWII. Some people like to put on the blinders and pretend that our history following the Civil War was a clean sheet.

Anyways, I had no idea Takei had been in one of the camps. I'm surprised he doesn't hold a grudge against our country as a whole.


What are you talking about? We gave Asian Americans birthday cakes during WWII.

That's what we did for the Native Americans too, right?
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Re: George Takei on the tragedy of American Internment Camps

Postby pimpdave on Sun Apr 29, 2012 9:30 pm

It was also still a segregated army and navy.
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Re: George Takei on the tragedy of American Internment Camps

Postby Night Strike on Sun Apr 29, 2012 9:34 pm

pimpdave wrote:It was also a re-segregated army and navy.


Fixed it for you.
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Re: George Takei on the tragedy of American Internment Camps

Postby Maugena on Sun Apr 29, 2012 10:35 pm

Frigidus wrote:I would venture a guess that a third of Americans have no idea that we treated Asian Americans the way we did during and after WWII. Some people like to put on the blinders and pretend that our history following the Civil War was a clean sheet.

Anyways, I had no idea Takei had been in one of the camps. I'm surprised he doesn't hold a grudge against our country as a whole.

Wow, really? Mind = blown.
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Re: George Takei on the tragedy of American Internment Camps

Postby Symmetry on Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:20 pm

Maugena wrote:
Frigidus wrote:I would venture a guess that a third of Americans have no idea that we treated Asian Americans the way we did during and after WWII. Some people like to put on the blinders and pretend that our history following the Civil War was a clean sheet.

Anyways, I had no idea Takei had been in one of the camps. I'm surprised he doesn't hold a grudge against our country as a whole.

Wow, really? Mind = blown.


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Re: George Takei on the tragedy of American Internment Camps

Postby Army of GOD on Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:23 pm

Maugena wrote:
Frigidus wrote:I would venture a guess that a third of Americans have no idea that we treated Asian Americans the way we did during and after WWII. Some people like to put on the blinders and pretend that our history following the Civil War was a clean sheet.

Anyways, I had no idea Takei had been in one of the camps. I'm surprised he doesn't hold a grudge against our country as a whole.

Wow, really? Mind = blown.


hahaha I'm trying to figure out why you say your mind was blown by Fridge's post. It's not like he posted something that he wasn't just guessing on or something.
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Re: George Takei on the tragedy of American Internment Camps

Postby Symmetry on Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:26 am

Army of GOD wrote:
Maugena wrote:
Frigidus wrote:I would venture a guess that a third of Americans have no idea that we treated Asian Americans the way we did during and after WWII. Some people like to put on the blinders and pretend that our history following the Civil War was a clean sheet.

Anyways, I had no idea Takei had been in one of the camps. I'm surprised he doesn't hold a grudge against our country as a whole.

Wow, really? Mind = blown.


hahaha I'm trying to figure out why you say your mind was blown by Fridge's post. It's not like he posted something that he wasn't just guessing on or something.


I think it was that George Takei was once in an internment camp,
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Re: George Takei on the tragedy of American Internment Camps

Postby Army of GOD on Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:28 am

Symmetry wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:
Maugena wrote:
Frigidus wrote:I would venture a guess that a third of Americans have no idea that we treated Asian Americans the way we did during and after WWII. Some people like to put on the blinders and pretend that our history following the Civil War was a clean sheet.

Anyways, I had no idea Takei had been in one of the camps. I'm surprised he doesn't hold a grudge against our country as a whole.

Wow, really? Mind = blown.


hahaha I'm trying to figure out why you say your mind was blown by Fridge's post. It's not like he posted something that he wasn't just guessing on or something.


I think it was that George Takei was once in an internment camp,


but that's curious considering how already sort of mentioned it in your excerpt
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Re: George Takei on the tragedy of American Internment Camps

Postby Phatscotty on Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:31 am

It's too bad he got fired so early on Celebrity Apprentice. Even Clay Aiken could not stand the guy.

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Re: George Takei on the tragedy of American Internment Camps

Postby chang50 on Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:30 am

Frigidus wrote:I would venture a guess that a third of Americans have no idea that we treated Asian Americans the way we did during and after WWII. Some people like to put on the blinders and pretend that our history following the Civil War was a clean sheet.

Anyways, I had no idea Takei had been in one of the camps. I'm surprised he doesn't hold a grudge against our country as a whole.


I would venture a guess that far more than a third have no idea about History at all.Not just Americans,people in general.It's strange to me 'cos it's a fascinating subject.
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Re: George Takei on the tragedy of American Internment Camps

Postby Baron Von PWN on Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:40 am

Same thing happened in Canada. Shameful part of both our histories.
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Re: George Takei on the tragedy of American Internment Camps

Postby Symmetry on Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:43 am

Army of GOD wrote:
Symmetry wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:
Maugena wrote:
Frigidus wrote:I would venture a guess that a third of Americans have no idea that we treated Asian Americans the way we did during and after WWII. Some people like to put on the blinders and pretend that our history following the Civil War was a clean sheet.

Anyways, I had no idea Takei had been in one of the camps. I'm surprised he doesn't hold a grudge against our country as a whole.

Wow, really? Mind = blown.


hahaha I'm trying to figure out why you say your mind was blown by Fridge's post. It's not like he posted something that he wasn't just guessing on or something.


I think it was that George Takei was once in an internment camp,


but that's curious considering how already sort of mentioned it in your excerpt


Fair point, maybe he didn't read the OP?
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Re: George Takei on the tragedy of American Internment Camps

Postby pimpdave on Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:11 pm

I also think the internment camps were a tragedy, after all, one of my great uncles died in one of them.
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Re: George Takei on the tragedy of American Internment Camps

Postby Army of GOD on Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:20 pm

how did he die o lord pimpdave?
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Re: George Takei on the tragedy of American Internment Camps

Postby pimpdave on Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:23 pm

He fell out of one of the guard towers. It was very tragic. :(
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Re: George Takei on the tragedy of American Internment Camps

Postby Phatscotty on Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:31 pm

I think one of the biggest problems of looking back at history is trying to judge it by modern standards and modern thinking.

FDR was an asshole though
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Re: George Takei on the tragedy of American Internment Camps

Postby Army of GOD on Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:38 pm

pimpdave wrote:He fell out of one of the guard towers. It was very tragic. :(



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Re: George Takei on the tragedy of American Internment Camps

Postby Symmetry on Tue May 01, 2012 1:35 pm

Phatscotty wrote:I think one of the biggest problems of looking back at history is trying to judge it by modern standards and modern thinking.

FDR was an asshole though


I can sort of agree with that. Part of the methodology I use in my work is something called "New historicism". Sounds fancy, but it boils down to taking historical documents in the context of their time. As a basic example, I don't bother with Marxist readings of 17th century texts as they were weren't written when Marx's ideas were around.

On the other hand, I kind of like a point of principle that an anthropologist friend of mine once explained to me:

"Suspend your judgement when analyzing a different culture, but never take it so far as to think that judgement can't be made"

Basically I take it to mean that you should look at historical events sympathetically and in the context of the period, but not go so far as to avoid making judgements.
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Re: George Takei on the tragedy of American Internment Camps

Postby Army of GOD on Tue May 01, 2012 1:39 pm

I don't think our culture is beyond being racist yet.

See how poorly we treat Muslims and the like because of recent happenings with 9/11 and stuff. Ok, so we're not throwing them in internment camps, but we're not treating them perfectly either.
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