Longest time without jerking off...

[BigBallinStalin]

but BBSssssssssssssss

SHUT UP! Your libertarian humanity annoys me to no end!

[Army of GOD]

inb4 bullshit

Who do you think I am, penn & teller?

Well first of all, I'm not two people, and second of all, wtf, that doesn't make sense, how could I be penn & teller? Man, AoG, you're crazy.

Also, you posted a link to a self-help site that cites no studies or sources, it simply asserts it gender-essentialist view which contrary to the article's claim is challenged scientifically on a regular basis.

WebMD? Seriously?

also, there's this little tidbit in the link I posted

"Sexual desire in women is extremely sensitive to environment and context," says Edward O. Laumann, PhD, a professor of sociology at the University of Chicago and lead author of a major survey of sexual practices, The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices in the United States.

I was right about the bullshit part. I am now convinced you are a troll and am going to spend the rest of my life making sure the world knows about your trollery.


GOOD DAY, SIR. I SAID GOOD DAY.

[natty dread]

Here's GoAskAlice @ columbia.edu

Dear Alice,

I have searched your files for the answer to a question that has long been bugging me. It has to do with masturbation. I can see by the questions there are many men who masturbate, but I don't see many from women. Do many women masturbate? Are they just more shy about talking about it? Can you give any specifics on the percentage of women, versus the percentage of men, who masturbate?

-Wants to learn more

Dear Wants to learn more,

Many women masturbate, but they haven't beaten the men when it comes to solo sex frequency... at least not yet. Statistically speaking, various studies of the sexual behavior of men and women detailed connections between gender and self-stimulation. The authors of The Social Organization of Sexuality (Edward O. Laumann, John H. Gagnon, Robert T. Michael, and Stuart Michaels; University of Chicago Press, 1994) gathered information about masturbatory practices from face-to-face interviews and self-administered questionnaires of 2,969 men and women ranging in age from 18 to 59 years. The researchers found that 41.7 percent of women and 63.3 percent of men masturbated during the year studied. According to The Janus Report on Sexual Behavior (Samuel S. Janus and Cynthia L. Janus; John Wiley & Sons, Inc., 1993), based on a large-scale, nationwide survey of adult Americans ages 18 and up conducted between 1983 and 1992, 10 percent of women reported masturbating frequently (several times weekly or daily) vs. 25 percent of men. Similarly, 38 percent of women reported masturbating on a regular basis (monthly to daily) in comparison to 55 percent of men. The Kinsey Institute also published statistics about gender differences in masturbation. They were compiled from renowned sex researcher Alfred Kinsey's studies on the sexual behavior of men and women. According to Dr. Kinsey's 1948 and 1953 studies, based on detailed interviews with white American adults, 92 percent of men and 62 percent of women reported that they had masturbated.

Several reasons have been suggested to account for the lower percentage of women (vs. men) who have ever masturbated. Women are considered "good" when they adhere to their traditional sex role: to be sexually passive, naive, and dependent -- basically, to be nonsexual. Sexually experienced and independent women are frequently seen as threatening and "loose."

In addition, in many cultures, women are raised to believe that their genitals are repulsive and inferior to those of men. They're also encouraged to repress their sexual feelings until marriage, when sex is for the purposes of procreation and pleasing their husband. A woman learns that she is to receive sexual pleasure only from sexual intercourse (not from touching or oral sex, and especially not from masturbation) with her husband (not with anyone else or by herself). If a woman with a partner masturbates, it is often seen as though there's something wrong with her relationship. Likewise, if a woman is without a partner, masturbating is seen as an act of loneliness.

Not only is there a taboo for women to masturbate, but there's also a greater taboo against talking about it. No doubt, for some women (and some men), talking about sex can also be awkward, so shyness, as you mentioned in your question, may be another, though lesser, factor. It doesn't have to be this way. Masturbation is a healthy and natural part of sexuality. It enables people to learn about their own bodies and genitals as well as to recognize and develop their sexual responses or orgasms. It also helps to foster communication in intimate relationships by making it easier for partners to identify and express what feels good physically and sexually for them and to each other. Candid discussions about sexuality and sexual pleasure can help free women (and men) from the historically negative influences that have bound and prevented some women (and some men) from discovering, exploring, and enjoying their sexual selves. These conversations can make it easier to break the taboos and myths about masturbation and can encourage women (and men) to reach their healthy, sex-positive goals.

Here are some resources for more information:

Sex for One: The Joy of Self-Loving, by Betty Dodson

For Yourself: The Fulfillment of Female Sexuality, by Lonnie G. Barbach

Yellow Silk: Erotic Arts and Letters, by Lily Pond and Richard Russo (editors)

Alice's Sexuality archive (with a section about masturbation)

http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/masturbating-stats-are-there-gender-differences-and-why

Well, at least you went and found out some actual sources, so good for you.

However, two things - 1) all of the studies referenced in the text you quoted were conducted in the 90:s at latest, some as long ago as 50:s - I would conjecture that if those percentages were accurate then (big if) they're likely to be different today - and, B) as I already said in my response to Haggis, as female masturbation is seen more as a taboo than male masturbation (as even your post confirms) it's questionable how reliable studies based on surveys can be, ie. have all the men & women answered honestly in these studies? We don't know.

Also, thirdly, the studies referenced are only based on American people. Who knows how different the percentages are world-wide? Perhaps there are even places in the world where women masturbate more than men.

At this point, I think we have insufficient data to make any more accurate conclusions about this.

[BigBallinStalin]

Those are reasonable criticisms, but in order for your guesses to be convincing:

(1, or A) provide evidence for your claim by citing a recent study

(2, or B) provide evidence which can confirm that "cultural effects" are 100% (or at least some magnitude) responsible for the discrepancy in the data. (hint: online, anonymous studies that differentiated between male and female participants could circumvent the "taboo effect.")

(3, or Thirdly) Then, it only applies to people in the US, so the adherence to your political correctness without evidence can justifiably be ignored. Nevertheless, would you care to provide some cross-country evidence to support your claim?


So far, without any substantial evidence for your guesses, we'll just have to dismiss them, and also dismiss your appeals for your version of political correctness regarding differences in masturbation between male and female because so far your evidence for this adherence to PC is hardly substantiated.

[BigBallinStalin]

If natty dread's evidence for his political correctness policing (PCP) prove unsubstantial, then in conclusion, AoG and HAGGIS WINS!!!

[natty dread]

inb4 AoG posts something unfunny

[ManBungalow]

If natty dread's evidence for his political correctness policing (PCP) prove unsubstantial, then in conclusion, AoG and HAGGIS WINS!!!

I would like to hear from xeno on this one.

[natty dread]

Those are reasonable criticisms, but in order for your guesses to be convincing:

(1, or A) provide evidence for your claim by citing a recent study

(2, or B) provide evidence which can confirm that "cultural effects" are 100% (or at least some magnitude) responsible for the discrepancy in the data. (hint: online, anonymous studies that differentiated between male and female participants could circumvent the "taboo effect.")

(3, or Thirdly) Then, it only applies to people in the US, so the adherence to your political correctness without evidence can justifiably be ignored. Nevertheless, would you care to provide some cross-country evidence to support your claim?


So far, without any substantial evidence for your guesses, we'll just have to dismiss them, and also dismiss your appeals for your version of political correctness regarding differences in masturbation between male and female because so far your evidence for this adherence to PC is hardly substantiated.

I haven't really made any strong claims that needed substantiating. Like I said

At this point, I think we have insufficient data to make any more accurate conclusions about this.

If you however provide me some accurate data which consistently shows that females masturbate less on a global scale, I'll concede that I was wrong about it.

However, even if it turns out that women on average masturbate less, it's still fallacious to assume that all women masturbate less than all men. The thing I objected to in the first place was that nietzsche made a masturbation poll and said "this is for guys only", effectively erasing half of the population from the discussion.

And the thing is, I want to read women's masturbation stories. I don't know why nietzsche doesn't want women to come to this thread and post about their masturbation experiences, and I don't care to guess (although if I would, I'd probably say he has some unresolved "issues"), but I sternly object to such madness.

[Army of GOD]

According to natty, two valid sources that point to men masturbating more than women is "insufficient data"

[BigBallinStalin]

Those are reasonable criticisms, but in order for your guesses to be convincing:

(1, or A) provide evidence for your claim by citing a recent study

(2, or B) provide evidence which can confirm that "cultural effects" are 100% (or at least some magnitude) responsible for the discrepancy in the data. (hint: online, anonymous studies that differentiated between male and female participants could circumvent the "taboo effect.")

(3, or Thirdly) Then, it only applies to people in the US, so the adherence to your political correctness without evidence can justifiably be ignored. Nevertheless, would you care to provide some cross-country evidence to support your claim?


So far, without any substantial evidence for your guesses, we'll just have to dismiss them, and also dismiss your appeals for your version of political correctness regarding differences in masturbation between male and female because so far your evidence for this adherence to PC is hardly substantiated.

I haven't really made any strong claims that needed substantiating. Like I said

At this point, I think we have insufficient data to make any more accurate conclusions about this.

If you however provide me some accurate data which consistently shows that females masturbate less on a global scale, I'll concede that I was wrong about it.

However, even if it turns out that women on average masturbate less, it's still fallacious to assume that all women masturbate less than all men. The thing I objected to in the first place was that nietzsche made a masturbation poll and said "this is for guys only", effectively erasing half of the population from the discussion.

And the thing is, I want to read women's masturbation stories. I don't know why nietzsche doesn't want women to come to this thread and post about their masturbation experiences, and I don't care to guess (although if I would, I'd probably say he has some unresolved "issues"), but I sternly object to such madness.

Your claims refute the validity of the studies which I provided; therefore, your claims can be reasonably labeled as "strong claims" which require substantiation. Without it, you have nothing but personal opinions that favor your PCP (political correctness policing).

Furthermore, you bring up claims, refuse to provide evidence, and then demand that others provide evidence to make your own point... I guess the burden of proof lies with the criticizer--unless of course the criticizer is natty dread.

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Regarding the rest of your post, I'm just making a good case for you to tone down your PCP. That's about it.

If you want to continue claiming "At this point, I think we have insufficient data to make any more accurate conclusions about this" without providing any substantial evidence to justify your accusation that the data is insufficient (and how insufficient? No evidence, so we don't know), then whatever, natty. I guess we can all pull claims outta our ass in order to justify anything.

[Army of GOD]

BBS, you're like the Pippen to my Jordan.

[BigBallinStalin]

According to natty, two valid sources that point to men masturbating more than women is "insufficient data"

Hey, AoG, cultural effects force you to play rugby. And rugby players hate women. Therefore, you must hate women. Therefore therefore, Institutionalized Sexism exists in Rugby.

I don't need evidence! You must provide evidence that I'm wrong! And if you provide evidence, I'll claim its insufficient because because because shut up!, you're a libertarian sexist human, so I must be right.

[BigBallinStalin]

BBS, you're like the Pippen to my Jordan.

You're the man now, dawg.

[natty dread]

blahblahblah lots of words blahblah

Yeah, ok dude. You didn't really read my post or maybe you didn't understand it, either way you didn't really address anything I said, you just keep rehashing your "political correctness is bad because I'm an edgy libertarian who doesn't care about political correctness" thing, so I'm not going to start repeating myself.

Come back when you have some evidence about global masturbation statistics, instead of studies conducted in the USA almost 20 years ago. I haven't seen any such statistics so my conclusion is we have insufficient data. As in we, here, at this moment. Although there really isn't a "here" because we're both in different places but f*ck, you know what I mean.

Now, can we get some anecdotes from female masturbaters?

[Army of GOD]

blahblahblah lots of words blahblah

Yeah, ok dude. You didn't really read my post or maybe you didn't understand it, either way you didn't really address anything I said, you just keep rehashing your "political correctness is bad because I'm an edgy libertarian who doesn't care about political correctness" thing, so I'm not going to start repeating myself.

Come back when you have some evidence about global masturbation statistics, instead of studies conducted in the USA almost 20 years ago. I haven't seen any such statistics so my conclusion is we have insufficient data. As in we, here, at this moment. Although there really isn't a "here" because we're both in different places but f*ck, you know what I mean.

Now, can we get some anecdotes from female masturbaters?

[BigBallinStalin]

blahblahblah lots of words blahblah

Yeah, I guess we can't take you seriously anymore.

Good luck with the PCP issue.

[natty dread]

AoG and BBS, you guys should hook it up. You spend so much time having a 2-person circle jerk here on the forums, validating each other's opinions... seriously guys, stop the foreplay and just do it already. You should just go ahead and make it official. Hey you know what, why don't you guys have a fake forum wedding? Kind of like whatshisface did a while back... you know who I'm talking about, that guy who always foes everyone.

Anyway... long story short (no offense AoG) I've masturbated 3 times today.

[BigBallinStalin]

AoG and BBS, you guys should hook it up. You spend so much time having a 2-person circle jerk here on the forums, validating each other's opinions... seriously guys, stop the foreplay and just do it already. You should just go ahead and make it official. Hey you know what, why don't you guys have a fake forum wedding? Kind of like whatshisface did a while back... you know who I'm talking about, that guy who always foes everyone.

Anyway... long story short (no offense AoG) I've masturbated 3 times today.

to thought of AoG and me hooking up? lololol.


As a PCP officer, is it morally wrong to tell others that they should be homosexual?

"at this point, I think we have insufficient data to make any more accurate conclusions about this."


Is it morally wrong for a PCP officer to lash out at others when the PCP officer refuses to admit that he was wrong?

"at this point, I think we have insufficient data to make any more accurate conclusions about this."


The life of a PCP officer must be rough!

[AAFitz]

19 years

[natty dread]

AoG and BBS, you guys should hook it up. You spend so much time having a 2-person circle jerk here on the forums, validating each other's opinions... seriously guys, stop the foreplay and just do it already. You should just go ahead and make it official. Hey you know what, why don't you guys have a fake forum wedding? Kind of like whatshisface did a while back... you know who I'm talking about, that guy who always foes everyone.

Anyway... long story short (no offense AoG) I've masturbated 3 times today.

to thought of AoG and me hooking up? lololol.


As a PCP officer, is it morally wrong to tell others that they should be homosexual?

"at this point, I think we have insufficient data to make any more accurate conclusions about this."


Is it morally wrong for a PCP officer to lash out at others when the PCP officer refuses to admit that he was wrong?

"at this point, I think we have insufficient data to make any more accurate conclusions about this."


The life of a PCP officer must be rough!

It might be, I wouldn't know, I never did PCP - mainly because we don't really have that shit here in any meaningful amounts.

And you know what else is rough? The fact that you can't bully your way into winning an argument. Not even if you have AoG as your sidekick. So go ahead, resort to ad hominems and ridicule, but it's not going to suddenly make you right. If anything, it'll make you more wrong.

So, again, if you have any meaningful and coherent arguments to make, make them... otherwise, I'm not interested.

[BigBallinStalin]

AoG and BBS, you guys should hook it up. You spend so much time having a 2-person circle jerk here on the forums, validating each other's opinions... seriously guys, stop the foreplay and just do it already. You should just go ahead and make it official. Hey you know what, why don't you guys have a fake forum wedding? Kind of like whatshisface did a while back... you know who I'm talking about, that guy who always foes everyone.

Anyway... long story short (no offense AoG) I've masturbated 3 times today.

to thought of AoG and me hooking up? lololol.


As a PCP officer, is it morally wrong to tell others that they should be homosexual?

"at this point, I think we have insufficient data to make any more accurate conclusions about this."


Is it morally wrong for a PCP officer to lash out at others when the PCP officer refuses to admit that he was wrong?

"at this point, I think we have insufficient data to make any more accurate conclusions about this."


The life of a PCP officer must be rough!

It might be, I wouldn't know, I never did PCP - mainly because we don't really have that shit here in any meaningful amounts.

And you know what else is rough? The fact that you can't bully your way into winning an argument. Not even if you have AoG as your sidekick. So go ahead, resort to ad hominems and ridicule, but it's not going to suddenly make you right. If anything, it'll make you more wrong.

So, again, if you have any meaningful and coherent arguments to make, make them... otherwise, I'm not interested.

Don't you mean:

"at this point, I think we have insufficient data to make any more accurate conclusions about this."

???

The best part was when you brought up claims, refused to provide evidence, and then demanded that others provide evidence to make your own point... I guess the burden of proof lies with the criticizer--unless of course the criticizer is natty dread.

amirite?

Okay, at this point, I think we have sufficient data to see that you've toned down your PCP. Good luck!

[natty dread]

You know what BBS? I'm kind of tired this. This sort of weird one-upmanship you seem to sport whenever you're around me. I mean, I guess I should consider it flattering, that you go through so much effort to impress me with your wit, that you are so desperate to "win" against me... but it gets kind of tiring after a while, and frankly, at some point I'd rather have discussions that didn't have to deteriorate into huge dick measuring contests, I don't really want to be forced into this whole competitive mentality that seems to be expected from me...

And especially, when all you have is some catch-phrase repetitive bullshit - I mean, that shit got old on 3rd grade, the whole "let's pick out some arbitrary shit you say and make it into this whole thing that gets repeated ad nauseum" thing - and I'm not trying to be all high-horse here, I'm not known for mature and refined humour myself, but man, come on.


So anyway, back to masturbation. You presented a study from 1992 that showed females claiming to masturbate less than males, and in earlier studies the difference has been higher, so I think we can both agree that there's a rising trend going on here - I actually found a site that says as much, but there's lots of pictures about female masturbation there so I can't link it here. So if this trend of increasing female masturbation and/or increasing tendency of females to admit masturbation has continued steadily from 1992, the logical conclusion would be that the figures would be much closer to equal in today's survey.

[Army of GOD]

Yes BBS, so because natty can't link it, YOURE WRONG

[BigBallinStalin]

Yes BBS, so because natty can't link it, YOURE WRONG

Thanks for the summary, AoG. I would believe you, but I think saxitoxin or Symmetry has to provide evidence; otherwise, sadly, it's insufficient data therefore ur wrong.