NAACP Backs Same-Sex Marriage (YEAH, ANOTHER GAY THREAD)

[rdsrds2120]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/sto ... 55082316/1

MIAMI(AP) – The NAACP passed a resolution Saturday endorsing same-sex marriage as
a civil right and opposing any efforts "to codify discrimination or hatred into the law."
The National Association for the Advancement of
Colored People's board voted at a leadership retreat in
Miami to back a resolution supporting marriage equality,
calling the position consistent with the equal protection
provision of the U.S. Constitution.
"The mission of the NAACP has always been to ensure
political, social and economic equality of all people,"
Board Chairwoman Roslyn M. Brock said in a statement.
"We have and will oppose efforts to codify discrimination
into law."
Same-sex marriage is legal in six states and the District
of Columbia, but 31 states have passed amendments to
ban it.
"Civil marriage is a civil right and a matter of civil law. The NAACP's support for marriage
equality is deeply rooted in the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution
and equal protection of all people" said NAACP President Benjamin Todd Jealous, a
strong backer of gay rights.
Gay marriage has divided the black community, with many religious leaders opposing it.
In California, exit polls showed about 70% of blacks opposed same-sex marriage in 2008.
In Maryland, black religious leaders helped derail a gay marriage bill last year. But state
lawmakers passed a gay marriage bill this year.
Pew Research Center polls have found that African Americans have become more
supportive of same-sex marriage in recent years, but remain less supportive than other
groups. A poll conducted in April showed 39% of African-Americans favor gay marriage,
compared with 47% of whites. The poll showed 49% of blacks and 43% of whites are
opposed.
The Human Rights Campaign, a leading gay rights advocacy group, applauded the step
by the Baltimore-based civil rights organization.
"We could not be more pleased with the NAACP's history-making vote today — which is
yet another example of the traction marriage equality continues to gain in every
community," HRC President Joe Solmonese said in a statement.

just the first page. There's more if you read on.

[Phatscotty]

Hmm, I wonder if the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) realizes this endorsement flies in the face of how Colored People feel on the issue? Colored people are by far the most adamantly opposed to same sex marriage.

If you look at North Carolina's results, the state re-affirmed traditional marriage 61-39. But if you look closer, colored people voted for traditional marriage 69-31, as well as a month old poll from NC that showed it was 80-20.

When it comes to gay marriage, as recently supported by the first African-American president, many black pastors see sin.

Which places them in the pulpit against the stand taken by Barack Obama, symbol of civil rights history and hero on so many other issues important to black Democrats.

“This is not a gay issue but a moral issue,” said the Rev. C.L. Bachus, pastor of Mount Zion Baptist Church. “We know that biblically we are bound to disapprove of same-sex relationships, along with other behaviors that are considered sin.”

While conceding that younger generations of black Americans are more accepting of such a change, Judy Coffey of Overland Park, a volunteer worker for Obama in 2008, said she hadn’t expected the president’s action.

“I felt like it was a sucker punch … a political message,” she said. “I was born and bred in Bible-based churches. The majority of African-Americans I’ve talked to are disappointed because the majority has attachments to the church and the Bible.”

The Rev. Rodney Williams, pastor of Swope Parkway United Christian Church, said he is getting mixed signals from African-Americans with whom he has talked.

“Some are not sure how they feel,” he said. “Some individuals have become disillusioned.”

Many gays and their supporters have called it hypocritical for black ministers, who have fought for decades for equal rights, to turn their backs.

“This insults me beyond measure,” Bachus responded. “We were fighting for our constitutional rights, which were not being applied to us. This is different.”

Recalling growing up in Mississippi when blacks couldn’t walk on the sidewalk if whites were there, he continued:

“We were not trying to change any rights. I believe all gay people should be treated right, but gays are fighting for a lifestyle. We were fighting for our lives and to be considered a person.”

Many leaders of black churches across the nation have said the same, fiercely renouncing the president’s decision. Some have even suggested their flocks stay home on Election Day.

African-American leaders such as the Revs. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, have weighed in behind Obama.

Well, throw the NAACP in with Sharpton and Jackson who support P-BO. Now there are 3 whom everybody already thinks is a joke anyways.

[rdsrds2120]

Hmm, I wonder if the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) realizes this endorsement flies in the face of how Colored People feel on the issue? Colored people are by far the most adamantly opposed to same sex marriage.

If you look at North Carolina's results, the state re-affirmed traditional marriage 61-39. But if you look closer, colored people voted for traditional marriage 69-31, as well as a month old poll from NC that showed it was 80-20.

When it comes to gay marriage, as recently supported by the first African-American president, many black pastors see sin.

Which places them in the pulpit against the stand taken by Barack Obama, symbol of civil rights history and hero on so many other issues important to black Democrats.

“This is not a gay issue but a moral issue,” said the Rev. C.L. Bachus, pastor of Mount Zion Baptist Church. “We know that biblically we are bound to disapprove of same-sex relationships, along with other behaviors that are considered sin.”

While conceding that younger generations of black Americans are more accepting of such a change, Judy Coffey of Overland Park, a volunteer worker for Obama in 2008, said she hadn’t expected the president’s action.

“I felt like it was a sucker punch … a political message,” she said. “I was born and bred in Bible-based churches. The majority of African-Americans I’ve talked to are disappointed because the majority has attachments to the church and the Bible.”

The Rev. Rodney Williams, pastor of Swope Parkway United Christian Church, said he is getting mixed signals from African-Americans with whom he has talked.

“Some are not sure how they feel,” he said. “Some individuals have become disillusioned.”

Many gays and their supporters have called it hypocritical for black ministers, who have fought for decades for equal rights, to turn their backs.

“This insults me beyond measure,” Bachus responded. “We were fighting for our constitutional rights, which were not being applied to us.”

Recalling growing up in Mississippi when blacks couldn’t walk on the sidewalk if whites were there, he continued:

“We were not trying to change any rights. I believe all gay people should be treated right, but gays are fighting for a lifestyle. We were fighting for our lives and to be considered a person.”

Many leaders of black churches across the nation have said the same, fiercely renouncing the president’s decision. Some have even suggested their flocks stay home on Election Day.

African-American leaders such as the Revs. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, have weighed in behind Obama.

What goes on in NC can't be used to suggest the more beliefs and perspective of America's entire black community.

-rd

[Phatscotty]

The article shared talks to and listens to black people all over the country.

You are correct NC can't be used to suggest the feelings of the black community nationally. But you are wrong in assuming I was suggesting anything based on NC. Colored People have always been more anti-same sex marriage than most others. Likewise, Caucasian people have always been the most supportive of same-sex marriage.

My comments about NC are only one example of the proof, and I chose it because it is the most recent.

btw, Hispanics are the most likely out of anyone to support traditional marriage and be anti-same sex marriage. Hispanics also put a lot of emphasis on strong families and family values, by tradition and history.

[Army of GOD]

blacks and gays are uniting?!

dammit, us straight white males are in jeopardy.

[rdsrds2120]

blacks and gays are uniting?!

dammit, us straight white males are in jeopardy.

Karma's a cruel, nipple-biting mistress.

Hurts. :'[

-rd

edit: FYI, I don't actually believe in Karma AoG, you should be fine C:

[xeno]

this whole forum is a bunch of garbage political opinions. moar offtopic please

[Night Strike]

The NAACP has long been an organization to push the liberal agenda. They haven't actually worked for the advancement of colored people for many years. This move is par for the course for them.

[xeno]

The NAACP has long been an organization to push the liberal agenda. They haven't actually worked for the advancement of colored people for many years. This move is par for the course for them.

Heading into the 21st century, the NAACP is focused on disparities in economics, health care, education, voter empowerment and the criminal justice system while also continuing its role as legal advocate for civil rights issues.

[BigBallinStalin]

Hmm, I wonder if the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) realizes this endorsement flies in the face of how Colored People feel on the issue? Colored people are by far the most adamantly opposed to same sex marriage.

If you look at North Carolina's results, the state re-affirmed traditional marriage 61-39. But if you look closer, colored people voted for traditional marriage 69-31, as well as a month old poll from NC that showed it was 80-20.

When it comes to gay marriage, as recently supported by the first African-American president, many black pastors see sin.

Which places them in the pulpit against the stand taken by Barack Obama, symbol of civil rights history and hero on so many other issues important to black Democrats.

“This is not a gay issue but a moral issue,” said the Rev. C.L. Bachus, pastor of Mount Zion Baptist Church. “We know that biblically we are bound to disapprove of same-sex relationships, along with other behaviors that are considered sin.”

While conceding that younger generations of black Americans are more accepting of such a change, Judy Coffey of Overland Park, a volunteer worker for Obama in 2008, said she hadn’t expected the president’s action.

“I felt like it was a sucker punch … a political message,” she said. “I was born and bred in Bible-based churches. The majority of African-Americans I’ve talked to are disappointed because the majority has attachments to the church and the Bible.”

The Rev. Rodney Williams, pastor of Swope Parkway United Christian Church, said he is getting mixed signals from African-Americans with whom he has talked.

“Some are not sure how they feel,” he said. “Some individuals have become disillusioned.”

Many gays and their supporters have called it hypocritical for black ministers, who have fought for decades for equal rights, to turn their backs.

“This insults me beyond measure,” Bachus responded. “We were fighting for our constitutional rights, which were not being applied to us.”

Recalling growing up in Mississippi when blacks couldn’t walk on the sidewalk if whites were there, he continued:

“We were not trying to change any rights. I believe all gay people should be treated right, but gays are fighting for a lifestyle. We were fighting for our lives and to be considered a person.”

Many leaders of black churches across the nation have said the same, fiercely renouncing the president’s decision. Some have even suggested their flocks stay home on Election Day.

African-American leaders such as the Revs. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, have weighed in behind Obama.

What goes on in NC can't be used to suggest the more beliefs and perspective of America's entire black community.

-rd

Great point, but that doesn't matter in Phatscotty's world.

[natty dread]

liberal agenda

You're ridiculous, you know that?

[Phatscotty]

Hmm, I wonder if the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) realizes this endorsement flies in the face of how Colored People feel on the issue? Colored people are by far the most adamantly opposed to same sex marriage.

If you look at North Carolina's results, the state re-affirmed traditional marriage 61-39. But if you look closer, colored people voted for traditional marriage 69-31, as well as a month old poll from NC that showed it was 80-20.

When it comes to gay marriage, as recently supported by the first African-American president, many black pastors see sin.

Which places them in the pulpit against the stand taken by Barack Obama, symbol of civil rights history and hero on so many other issues important to black Democrats.

“This is not a gay issue but a moral issue,” said the Rev. C.L. Bachus, pastor of Mount Zion Baptist Church. “We know that biblically we are bound to disapprove of same-sex relationships, along with other behaviors that are considered sin.”

While conceding that younger generations of black Americans are more accepting of such a change, Judy Coffey of Overland Park, a volunteer worker for Obama in 2008, said she hadn’t expected the president’s action.

“I felt like it was a sucker punch … a political message,” she said. “I was born and bred in Bible-based churches. The majority of African-Americans I’ve talked to are disappointed because the majority has attachments to the church and the Bible.”

The Rev. Rodney Williams, pastor of Swope Parkway United Christian Church, said he is getting mixed signals from African-Americans with whom he has talked.

“Some are not sure how they feel,” he said. “Some individuals have become disillusioned.”

Many gays and their supporters have called it hypocritical for black ministers, who have fought for decades for equal rights, to turn their backs.

“This insults me beyond measure,” Bachus responded. “We were fighting for our constitutional rights, which were not being applied to us.”

Recalling growing up in Mississippi when blacks couldn’t walk on the sidewalk if whites were there, he continued:

“We were not trying to change any rights. I believe all gay people should be treated right, but gays are fighting for a lifestyle. We were fighting for our lives and to be considered a person.”

Many leaders of black churches across the nation have said the same, fiercely renouncing the president’s decision. Some have even suggested their flocks stay home on Election Day.

African-American leaders such as the Revs. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, have weighed in behind Obama.

What goes on in NC can't be used to suggest the more beliefs and perspective of America's entire black community.

-rd

Great point, but that doesn't matter in Phatscotty's world.

Actually, it was a horrible point, as I explained in a response. ya stick. I never suggested NC was reflective of the entire country. Is this how we really want to treat examples guys? c'mon...

The article shared talks to and listens to black people all over the country.

You are correct NC can't be used to suggest the feelings of the black community nationally. But you are wrong in assuming I was suggesting anything based on NC. My comments about NC are only one example of the proof, and I chose it because it is the most recent.

Does that matter in Beiber's world?

ooh snap!

[BigBallinStalin]

The following statement:

Hmm, I wonder if the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) realizes this endorsement flies in the face of how Colored People feel on the issue? Colored people are by far the most adamantly opposed to same sex marriage.

is not well supported by the evidence (as has already been pointed out):

If you look at North Carolina's results, the state re-affirmed traditional marriage 61-39. But if you look closer, colored people voted for traditional marriage 69-31, as well as a month old poll from NC that showed it was 80-20.

See? Colored people's attitude on this issue != NC results

But you are wrong in assuming I was suggesting anything based on NC. Colored People have always been more anti-same sex marriage than most others. Likewise, Caucasian people have always been the most supportive of same-sex marriage.

Haha, but that's exactly what you did. You gave your initial position* and cited one state's polling results as evidence. You were definitely "suggesting something" based in part on the NC results. hahaha.

*(i.e. colored people are by far the most adamantly opposed to same sex marriage).

And then you restate your position with no further evidence. Haha, bravo. I'm pretty much done talking with you, haha. Either you're a great troll, or you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Night Strike]

liberal agenda

You're ridiculous, you know that?

Ridiculous =/= wrong. The NAACP demonizes black people like Clarence Thomas, Herman Cain, or Allen West because they are outspoken conservatives. If they actually cared about the advancement of colored people instead of just a one-sided political agenda, they would celebrate the successes of colored people like those I listed.

[nagerous]

The NAACP support an advancement of civil rights for all people, not just black people or 'coloured' as some people are no doubt taking great pleasure in using in this thread. It is not about demonising anyone, but standing up to intolerant views, there is not some great liberal conspiracy as some of the reactionaries here might believe.

[spurgistan]

liberal agenda

You're ridiculous, you know that?

Ridiculous =/= wrong. The NAACP demonizes black people like Clarence Thomas, Herman Cain, or Allen West because they are crazy people inconceivably in positions of power, and actively working against the betterment of people black, white, and green. If they actually cared about the advancement of colored people instead of just a one-sided political agenda, they would celebrate the successes of colored people like those I listed.

[GreecePwns]

Oh yeah? Well lookie here:

BIG APPLE, 3AM -- The following is a really long quote about a subject that may or may not be tangentially related to your post.

It is most likely something I will wholeheartedly agree with, filled with quotes from names of politicians I may or may not have heard of. These names are usually followed by a letter, [R or D], one of which I presume is superior to the other, [D or R]. They might be a member of some Congressional committee that may or may not be tangentially related to the subject at hand, This is meant to indicate that his or her opinion on this issue should be held in higher regard.

"I am an expert in this subject," said Mr. Self-Proclaimed-Expert (R), "and Mr. Self-Proclaimed Expert (D)'s preposterous comments are preposterous."

i doubt you have gotten to this point in the article and I know you won't go much further than this. You already know how you'll logically disprove the article's claims, point out that it had nothing to do with what you were saying, and realize the person is likely a hypocrite for the position they are taking on this subject. Maybe they are just saying this stuff because they can't concede at anything. Ever.

"Maybe they're just batshit insane," you're probably telling yourself.

And since you certainly aren't getting to this point of the article, we might as well type random-ass shit. Because the more space you take up, the more point you are making. Also, copying and pasting more than 10% of an article is technically intellectual property theft in some jurisdictions. Just a nugget of knowledge. A tangentially related point, if you will.

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Circular reasoning

[Phatscotty]

The following statement:

Hmm, I wonder if the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) realizes this endorsement flies in the face of how Colored People feel on the issue? Colored people are by far the most adamantly opposed to same sex marriage.

is not well supported by the evidence (as has already been pointed out):

If you look at North Carolina's results, the state re-affirmed traditional marriage 61-39. But if you look closer, colored people voted for traditional marriage 69-31, as well as a month old poll from NC that showed it was 80-20.

See? Colored people's attitude on this issue != NC results

But you are wrong in assuming I was suggesting anything based on NC. Colored People have always been more anti-same sex marriage than most others. Likewise, Caucasian people have always been the most supportive of same-sex marriage.

Haha, but that's exactly what you did. You gave your initial position* and cited one state's polling results as evidence. You were definitely "suggesting something" based in part on the NC results. hahaha.

*(i.e. colored people are by far the most adamantly opposed to same sex marriage).

And then you restate your position with no further evidence. Haha, bravo. I'm pretty much done talking with you, haha. Either you're a great troll, or you have no idea what you're talking about.

I offered an example with my statement. Geez How do you throw yourself out there like that and suggest just because I do not back up a fact, it isn't a fact? It's the truth. If you wanted to be fair, you could also add comments from the article I shared from people in Kansas, Georgie, Michigan, and a few others. Sorry if you are unaware, but your lack of awareness on this issue is not my problem, nor am I in charge of making sure you get current information. But, here it is anyways



what is your comment about who knows what they are talking about now? I hate it when you make me do this

[Army of GOD]

why do we call black people black? They're more brown than black. And whites are beige, not white.

BEIGE POWER

[BigBallinStalin]

The following statement:

Hmm, I wonder if the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) realizes this endorsement flies in the face of how Colored People feel on the issue? Colored people are by far the most adamantly opposed to same sex marriage.

is not well supported by the evidence (as has already been pointed out):

If you look at North Carolina's results, the state re-affirmed traditional marriage 61-39. But if you look closer, colored people voted for traditional marriage 69-31, as well as a month old poll from NC that showed it was 80-20.

See? Colored people's attitude on this issue != NC results

But you are wrong in assuming I was suggesting anything based on NC. Colored People have always been more anti-same sex marriage than most others. Likewise, Caucasian people have always been the most supportive of same-sex marriage.

Haha, but that's exactly what you did. You gave your initial position* and cited one state's polling results as evidence. You were definitely "suggesting something" based in part on the NC results. hahaha.

*(i.e. colored people are by far the most adamantly opposed to same sex marriage).

And then you restate your position with no further evidence. Haha, bravo. I'm pretty much done talking with you, haha. Either you're a great troll, or you have no idea what you're talking about.

I offered an example with my statement. Geez How do you throw yourself out there like that and suggest just because I do not back up a fact, it isn't a fact? It's the truth. If you wanted to be fair, you could also add comments from the article I shared from people in Kansas, Georgie, Michigan, and a few others. Sorry if you are unaware, but your lack of awareness on this issue is not my problem, nor am I in charge of making sure you get current information. But, here it is anyways



what is your comment about who knows what they are talking about now? I hate it when you make me do this

Still, it's incredibly difficult to determine if you're an idiot or if you're trolling.

Is Phatsco being stupid?
1) You state that all colored people have attitude X, and then provide the polling results of one state. You were being really stupid, weren't you?


Is Phatsco trolling?
2) What's funnier is when you said, "but you are wrong in assuming I was suggesting anything based on NC," and then in your above reply, you're defending what you actually suggested, i.e. "colored people are by far the most adamantly opposed to same sex marriage." You suggest nothing, but then argue that it supports your position. That's certainly suggesting something, i dunno lol.


Haha, seriously? That's either great trolling, or you're really being stupid.