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Postby PLAYER57832 on Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:26 am

Note..below quotes are moved from the healthcare thread.

This is an old argument, but the basics are that I say Reagan is given far too much credit for the economis prosperity during his reign. He benefitted both from policies Carter began AND from the tech boom in Silicone Valley.


This bit, though, concerns Carter specifically. I don't necessarily say that Carter was the greatest president or that he did all he could have. I do say that to villify him and credit Reagan wholly is wrong.

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Jimmy Carter was so horrible that he wasn't even coherent enough to pass a progressive piece of legislation. His legacy is stagflation.

And yet, very "strangely", the economy seemed to just magically boom after his policies were implemented.


ROFLMAO!!!!!

That's priceless!!

It is not my original thinking, though. It is something I have been hearing for over 20 years, most particularly DURING the time Reagan was in office and by folks who were very well meshed in the Reagan "machine". They basically chuckled over how ironic it was that Reagan got to benefit so heavily from the man he villified.

I had to go back a ways in the Google listings to find anything, but here is one example
http://mises.org/daily/535
As the political season stumbles to a close, we need to remember that the historical relationship between economic policy, economic performance, and political rhetoric can be wildly unpredictable. For example, all these years later, it is worth reconsidering the presidency of Jimmy Carter, from 1977 to 1981. Many of the reforms that took place under his watch are responsible for at least some of the current prosperity.


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Republicans like to point to the failures of the Carter Administration and then claim that Ronald Reagan brought us into the present era. Alas, while I prefer Reagan to Carter, I cannot say that the above statement is true. Granted, much occurred during the Reagan Administration that was good, but if truth be known, many of the important initiatives that enabled those boundaries to expand came from Carter's presidency.

To understand the magnitude of change we have witnessed in the last 20 years or so, remember that in 1980 the Interstate Commerce Commission regulated both trucking and the railroads. "Ma Bell" had a nationwide monopoly in which long distance calls came through copper wires, each strand with the capacity of carrying 15 calls. (A single fiber optic line in use today can carry 2 million calls.)

Airlines had been "deregulated" for only two years. Government controlled the pricing and allocation of oil in the United States. "Regulation Q" and other restrictions on banks and financial institutions kept capital formation in the doldrums. Another way of putting it was that many sectors of this economy were more socialistic then than they are now.



The whole article is here http://mises.org/daily/535 It is definitely not a full endorsement of Carter, but it does make the point I make.. that some of Reagans greatest "achievements" and our economic boom was partially due to Carter's earlier actions.
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Re: Carter

Postby KoolBak on Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:31 am

Carter was a dipstick....and a peanut farmer.....and his brother was silly.

Course....I'm NOT a democrat....and my parents didn't like Carter.....and I got to sit 20 feet from Regan at a rally and shake his hand....so I could be a bit subjective....

I still have a can of Billy Beer though!
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Re: Carter

Postby PLAYER57832 on Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:30 am

KoolBak wrote:Carter was a dipstick....and a peanut farmer.....and his brother was silly.
Agreed, but what has that to do with economic policies?

KoolBak wrote:.....and I got to sit 20 feet from Regan at a rally and shake his hand....so I could be a bit subjective....
I got to talk to him, and used to live close to him.. so got you beat there.

In fact, it is from some of his "cronies" that I get my "misinformation".
KoolBak wrote:I still have a can of Billy Beer though!

Well, the stuff is surely not worth drinking, so no temptation to not keep it.
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Re: Carter

Postby KoolBak on Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:37 am

Schwing! I gots pwned!!
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Re: Carter

Postby Dukasaur on Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:00 am

There's an instructive picture to be seen:Image
Source: http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

Carter presided over substantial deregulation and was probably the most fiscally conservative president in the last 100 years. He certainly was the only one to ever speak frankly and honestly and address the issues instead of hiding behind sound bites.
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Re: Carter

Postby KoolBak on Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:05 am

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Re: Carter

Postby PLAYER57832 on Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:15 am

KoolBak wrote:Image

Wasn't that Andrew Jackson, anyway?

And note.. I am not even arguing whether Carter was a good president or not, just that his economic changes helped bring on the good economic times that followed. There is much more to being a president than a few economic policies.
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Re: Carter

Postby Woodruff on Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:53 pm

KoolBak wrote:Carter was a dipstick....and a peanut farmer.....and his brother was silly.


Oh God, I forgot about Billy. Billy Beer! Egad.
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Re: Carter

Postby Woodruff on Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:55 pm

Dukasaur wrote:There's an instructive picture to be seen:Image
Source: http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

Carter presided over substantial deregulation and was probably the most fiscally conservative president in the last 100 years. He certainly was the only one to ever speak frankly and honestly and address the issues instead of hiding behind sound bites.


Excellent chart.
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