Egyptians Mock Clinton over Lewinsky, Pelt w/ Tomatoes

[Symmetry]

You can't honestly be laboring under the impression that Egyptians care about Monica Lewinsky.

Keep banging that drum, Symm. We're not here to discuss things - we're here to find out who the winner of the thread will be! Just find a talking point and start repeating it ad nauseam. That it's been triply quashed without rebuttal is irrelevant. If you just start shouting the same mantra long and loud enough and ignore all responses then everyone will grow tired and wander away and you'll have shut the thread down and won the gold!!!!!!

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What constitutes your level of nausea seems to be posting something you've falsely denied once being posted again with a thorough explanation of how it's false.

I hope your sickness improves.

[BigBallinStalin]

I edited my post. But the other parts still remain pertinent:

Assuming it's true, then this was a great way for the military to exercise more control over Egypt. As with any protest (and there has been many in Egypt), the main political parties have the funding to encourage people to protest--i.e. pay to protest, or offer membership benefits.

Recall how "popular" Hitler was. It's easy to gain support when the alternative is a slumber party at the SS HQ. Protests can be managed, just like any other business venture, to benefit the managers (i.e. the Egyptian military).

(1) Ahmed's financial history would be fun to read--as would the creators' financial histories of that "MB in America" piece of art.

And if there's no foul play, (1), then still the Egyptian military would definitely make use of her propaganda in order to legitimize their authoritarian policies. Therefore, this protest alone isn't a good indicator of popular Egyptian attitudes on politics.

Why edit your post? We're having a discussion, and you've retconned your argument to make it seem like it made sense. Given that the article also involved interviews with protesters, I've got to wonder how many posts I have to answer before you read the thing.

As it's fairly obvious that you're mainly interested in dismissing it, even before it was obvious you hadn't read it, and indeed still haven't, is it fair of me to ask you to ask yourself if you think you might have drunk the kool aid on this one?

Which sources do you trust? You can't honestly be laboring under the impression that Egyptians care about Monica Lewinsky.

Okay, Sym. You're not making sense ITT either. I've already broken down the scenario presented by the new information. If you don't give a shit and feel like throwing confetti around here, then have fun.

(1) The US, as in the State Department and DoD, hate the Muslim Brotherhood, and they're doing all they can to prevent them from attaining power in Egypt--as is evident with the military junta's kicking out that MB guy and dissolving parliament.

(2) Some scare-mongers made a documentary about the lobbying by the Muslim Brotherhood and whatever Muslims which they deem as on a jihad, extremist, and violent. One of them insinuated that the US is somehow funding the Muslim Brotherhood, but there was no evidence. Ahmed just says, "Oh, but he's So-and-So, so he would never make that shit up. Therefore, I can spout whatever bat-shit crazy stuff I want to." I really don't take documentaries seriously. They're just propaganda; you can gloss over so many details if you're shoving images in someone's face.

(3) The underlined isn't my position, which I've already explained several times. I don't know what you're problem is, so I'll just ignore you until you have something intelligent to say ITT.

[Symmetry]

I edited my post. But the other parts still remain pertinent:

Assuming it's true, then this was a great way for the military to exercise more control over Egypt. As with any protest (and there has been many in Egypt), the main political parties have the funding to encourage people to protest--i.e. pay to protest, or offer membership benefits.

Recall how "popular" Hitler was. It's easy to gain support when the alternative is a slumber party at the SS HQ. Protests can be managed, just like any other business venture, to benefit the managers (i.e. the Egyptian military).

(1) Ahmed's financial history would be fun to read--as would the creators' financial histories of that "MB in America" piece of art.

And if there's no foul play, (1), then still the Egyptian military would definitely make use of her propaganda in order to legitimize their authoritarian policies. Therefore, this protest alone isn't a good indicator of popular Egyptian attitudes on politics.

Why edit your post? We're having a discussion, and you've retconned your argument to make it seem like it made sense. Given that the article also involved interviews with protesters, I've got to wonder how many posts I have to answer before you read the thing.

As it's fairly obvious that you're mainly interested in dismissing it, even before it was obvious you hadn't read it, and indeed still haven't, is it fair of me to ask you to ask yourself if you think you might have drunk the kool aid on this one?

Which sources do you trust? You can't honestly be laboring under the impression that Egyptians care about Monica Lewinsky.

Okay, Sym. You're not making sense ITT either. I've already broken down the scenario presented by the new information. If you don't give a shit and feel like throwing confetti around here, then have fun.

(1) The US, as in the State Department and DoD, hate the Muslim Brotherhood, and they're doing all they can to prevent them from attaining power in Egypt--as is evident with the military junta's kicking out that MB guy and dissolving parliament.

(2) Some scare-mongers made a documentary about the lobbying by the Muslim Brotherhood and whatever Muslims which they deem as on a jihad, extremist, and violent. One of them insinuated that the US is somehow funding the Muslim Brotherhood, but there was no evidence. Ahmed just says, "Oh, but he's So-and-So, so he would never make that shit up. Therefore, I can spout whatever bat-shit crazy stuff I want to." I really don't take documentaries seriously. They're just propaganda; you can gloss over so many details if you're shoving images in someone's face.

(3) The underlined isn't my position, which I've already explained several times. I don't know what you're problem is, so I'll just ignore you until you have something intelligent to say ITT.

Have you read it? Or are you quoting the arguments that you'd like to argument against, or to have been arguing against?

What do you take seriously? It's pretty obvious that you don't look at sources that oppose your views,

[BigBallinStalin]

Yeah, I read it, twice. And then I read some summaries about that ISLAM IN UHMERICA documentary, checked out its endnotes, added an interested book to my amazon account, blah blah blah.


Anyway, what are my views, Symmetry? Show me that you know what you're talking about by providing direct quotes which support your interpretation of my views.

[GreecePwns]

Hypothetical: the US financially backed the pro-military candidate AND the Islamist candidate

[saxitoxin]

Hypothetical: the US financially backed the pro-military candidate AND the Islamist candidate

GP's comment is indicative of a more complex understanding of the Egyptian presidential election than the Red-Blue dynamic the New York Times - and the Times' readers - think is at work.

Turnout was less than 50% but the Times can't acknowledge that because it disparages the U.S.' own Red-Blue controlled choice system. Easier just to advance the ridiculous claim that Egyptians love Hillary but were tricked into protesting against her, and hit print. Rich first worlders like Symm like to imagine that a bunch of third world c***l j*****ys can be easily tricked if they're not cared for like children; it justifies the white man's burden and plays into their Man Who Would Be King fantasies of a white dude who saves a bunch of brown people from their own superstitious irrationality.

[pancakemix]

A Wad of Bills was found on her dress.

That will happen.

In all seriousness though, the fact that this scandal is still on the minds of people overseas shows just how little respect the US has in those countries (or deserves for that matter, considering both the Clintons still wield a lot of political clout).

[BigBallinStalin]

A Wad of Bills was found on her dress.

That will happen.

In all seriousness though, the fact that this scandal is still on the minds of people overseas shows just how little respect the US has in those countries (or deserves for that matter, considering both the Clintons still wield a lot of political clout).

What's funny and tragic about US foreign policy is this:

(1) If they back the military regime in Egypt, people will dislike them.

(2) If they don't back the military regime in Egypt, people will dislike them.

Given that anti-Americanism may rise with either choice, then I guess many US policymakers simply go for the option which yields the more certain and direct benefits because the costs are basically the same (as they may perceive them to be).