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LOOTIFER: Complex Regulations and the Fin. Crisis of 2008

Postby BigBallinStalin on Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:26 am

Speech of the Year

The orator of note was a regulator from the Bank of England, and his subject was "The dog and the frisbee."

In a presentation that deserves more attention, BoE Director of Financial Stability Andrew Haldane and colleague Vasileios Madouros point the way toward the real financial reform that Washington has never enacted. The authors marshal compelling evidence that as regulation has become more complex, it has also become less effective. They point out that much of the reason large banks are so difficult for regulators to comprehend is because regulators themselves have created complicated metrics that can't provide accurate measurements of a bank's health.

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Messrs. Haldane and Madouros looked broadly at the pre-crisis financial industry, and specifically at a sample of 100 large global banks at the end of 2006. What they found was that a firm's leverage ratio—the amount of equity capital it held relative to its assets—was a fairly good predictor of which banks ended up sailing into the rocks in 2008. Banks with more capital tended to be sturdier.

But the definition of what constitutes capital was also critical, and here simpler is also better. Basel's "Tier 1" regulatory capital ratio was thought to be more precise because it assigned "risk weights" to each category of assets and required banks to perform millions of complex calculations. Yet it was hardly of any use in predicting disasters at too-big-to-fail banks.

Messrs. Haldane and Madouros also describe the larger problem: a belief among regulators that models can capture all necessary information and then accurately predict future risk. This belief is new, and not helpful. As the authors note, "Many of the dominant figures in 20th century economics—from Keynes to Hayek, from Simon to Friedman—placed imperfections in information and knowledge centre-stage. Uncertainty was for them the normal state of decision-making affairs."

[u]A deadly flaw in financial regulation is the assumption that a few years or even a few decades of market data can allow models to accurately predict worst-case scenarios.[/u] The authors suggest that hundreds or even a thousand years of data might be needed before we could trust the Basel machinery.

Despite its failures, that machinery becomes larger and larger. As Messrs. Haldane and Madouros note, "Einstein wrote that: 'The problems that exist in the world today cannot be solved by the level of thinking that created them.' Yet the regulatory response to the crisis has largely been based on the level of thinking that created it. The Tower of Basel, like its near-namesake the Tower of Babel, continues to rise."

Exploding the myth that regulatory agencies are underfunded, they note that in both the U.K. and U.S. the number of regulators has for decades risen faster than the number of people employed in finance.


Solution:

Complexity grows still faster. The authors report that in the 12 months after the passage of Dodd-Frank, rule-making that represents a mere 10% of the expected total will impose more than 2.2 million hours of annual compliance work on private business. Recent history suggests that if anything this will make another crisis more likely.

Here's a better idea: Raise genuine capital standards at banks and slash regulatory budgets in Washington. Abandon the Basel rules on "risk-weighting" and other fantasies of regulatory omniscience. In financial regulation, as in so many other areas of life, simpler is better.




http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000087 ... 94380.html


The problem with that solution is that regulators lack the incentive to make their rules simpler because they would undermine their "usefulness," as in they couldn't justify more of their existence, or more of their budget.

Hopefully, this article has removed some of your faith in regulation. I recall player and pimpdave, and many others in the non-CC world, screaming for more regulation, which apparently has created the unintended consequence of more instability in the economy.
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Re: LOOTIFER: Complex Regulations and the Fin. Crisis of 200

Postby Timminz on Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:44 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444273704577637792879194380.html


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Re: LOOTIFER: Complex Regulations and the Fin. Crisis of 200

Postby notyou2 on Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:14 pm

Timminz wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444273704577637792879194380.html


Are you getting referral bonuses for each person who signs up?


Do we get kickbacks too?
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Re: LOOTIFER: Complex Regulations and the Fin. Crisis of 200

Postby BigBallinStalin on Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:30 pm

notyou2 wrote:
Timminz wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444273704577637792879194380.html


Are you getting referral bonuses for each person who signs up?


Do we get kickbacks too?


No!

and

No! -- actually, ask Es about that. She might arrange a nap with you.

:D

Just adding skepticism to the adherents of the nirvana fallacy and/or the usually misplaced faith in government.
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Re: LOOTIFER: Complex Regulations and the Fin. Crisis of 200

Postby Dukasaur on Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:09 pm

Businesses could be persuaded to behave ethically, and all the tens of thousands of regulatory agencies in the world could be eliminated, just by passing one simple legislative reform:

ELIMINATE THE F***ING CONCEPT OF LIMITED LIABILITY!

Take stupid gambles with other people's money if you wish, but if it goes sour, you lose everything. Not just the corner office, but your house, your car, your Best-in-Show Schnauzer.

Make that one change, and every manager will go scurrying to the bookshelf to dig out his First Year Accounting textbook and the concept of the Prudent Man. You'll never need to hire another bank inspector or forensic securities specialist.
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Re: LOOTIFER: Complex Regulations and the Fin. Crisis of 200

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:52 am

Dukasaur wrote:Businesses could be persuaded to behave ethically, and all the tens of thousands of regulatory agencies in the world could be eliminated, just by passing one simple legislative reform:

ELIMINATE THE F***ING CONCEPT OF LIMITED LIABILITY!

Take stupid gambles with other people's money if you wish, but if it goes sour, you lose everything. Not just the corner office, but your house, your car, your Best-in-Show Schnauzer.

Make that one change, and every manager will go scurrying to the bookshelf to dig out his First Year Accounting textbook and the concept of the Prudent Man. You'll never need to hire another bank inspector or forensic securities specialist.


I wouldn't go that far, but I would eliminate a one-size-fits-all approach by eliminating the federal government in nearly all aspects of economic control, and then delegate such responsibilities to each State.

Call it "market-preserving federalism"
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Re: LOOTIFER: Complex Regulations and the Fin. Crisis of 200

Postby thegreekdog on Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:14 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:Businesses could be persuaded to behave ethically, and all the tens of thousands of regulatory agencies in the world could be eliminated, just by passing one simple legislative reform:

ELIMINATE THE F***ING CONCEPT OF LIMITED LIABILITY!

Take stupid gambles with other people's money if you wish, but if it goes sour, you lose everything. Not just the corner office, but your house, your car, your Best-in-Show Schnauzer.

Make that one change, and every manager will go scurrying to the bookshelf to dig out his First Year Accounting textbook and the concept of the Prudent Man. You'll never need to hire another bank inspector or forensic securities specialist.


I wouldn't go that far, but I would eliminate a one-size-fits-all approach by eliminating the federal government in nearly all aspects of economic control, and then delegate such responsibilities to each State.

Call it "market-preserving federalism"


Can't do it. Interstate commerce and all that.
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Re: LOOTIFER: Complex Regulations and the Fin. Crisis of 200

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:19 am

thegreekdog wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
I wouldn't go that far, but I would eliminate a one-size-fits-all approach by eliminating the federal government in nearly all aspects of economic control, and then delegate such responsibilities to each State.

Call it "market-preserving federalism"


Can't do it. Interstate commerce and all that.


Well, Barry Weingast goes on to assume that the federal government would be there to uphold the monetary union of the US, but I don't go that far.

How do you see interstate commerce and all that undermining the desirability of market-preserving federalism?
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Re: LOOTIFER: Complex Regulations and the Fin. Crisis of 200

Postby thegreekdog on Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:32 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
I wouldn't go that far, but I would eliminate a one-size-fits-all approach by eliminating the federal government in nearly all aspects of economic control, and then delegate such responsibilities to each State.

Call it "market-preserving federalism"


Can't do it. Interstate commerce and all that.


Well, Barry Weingast goes on to assume that the federal government would be there to uphold the monetary union of the US, but I don't go that far.

How do you see interstate commerce and all that undermining the desirability of market-preserving federalism?


I don't see the interstate commerce clause and all that undermining the desirability of market-preserving federalism. I see it undermining market-preserving federalism.

Ostensibly, the point of the interstate commerce clause was to prevent state infighting (you know, back in the day when the states were basically autonomous from the federal government). And not like "hey we'll give better tax breaks than New Jersey" type infighting. The interstate commerce clause (and the dormant commerce clause - dormant because it's not actually written in the Constitution) was expanded dramatically, especially in the 1930s. So anything that is remotely linked, directly or indirectly, to anything that could possibly be applicable to more than one state, maybe, possibly, in a dystopian future, is going to be regulated by the federal government. So, your plan won't work in the context of our current interpretation of the Constitution (and probably our original interpretation of the Constitution).
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Re: LOOTIFER: Complex Regulations and the Fin. Crisis of 200

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:22 am

Couldn't each State engage in Free Trade Agreements?

And, although most of the 19th and early 20th centuries were wrought with tariffs and import quotas, most of that ended during the 1960s and 1970s. So, why wouldn't the States follow suit?

Nearly all liberal democracies didn't need to be conquered and have their sovereignty subsumed by a strong central government in order for international trade to take place...
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Re: LOOTIFER: Complex Regulations and the Fin. Crisis of 200

Postby thegreekdog on Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:11 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:Couldn't each State engage in Free Trade Agreements?

And, although most of the 19th and early 20th centuries were wrought with tariffs and import quotas, most of that ended during the 1960s and 1970s. So, why wouldn't the States follow suit?

Nearly all liberal democracies didn't need to be conquered and have their sovereignty subsumed by a strong central government in order for international trade to take place...


All excellent questions and all questions I cannot answer.
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Re: LOOTIFER: Complex Regulations and the Fin. Crisis of 200

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:52 pm

Waht?!?!?! NOOO, that's not how internet debates work!!

At that point, you're suppose to presume knowledge over fields beyond your own knowledge. COME ON!!
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Re: LOOTIFER: Complex Regulations and the Fin. Crisis of 200

Postby thegreekdog on Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:11 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:Waht?!?!?! NOOO, that's not how internet debates work!!

At that point, you're suppose to presume knowledge over fields beyond your own knowledge. COME ON!!


It's not my fault. I just don't know enough about state infighting pre-Constitution. I blame my teachers and Wall Street fatcats.
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