Block the Vote 2012

[rdsrds2120]

just altogether do away with hard work huh?
makes sense.

Working...where, exactly? This isn't the 50's anymore. Jobs aren't falling off of trees and begging that people be employed. The life of poverty with only government assistance is not a desirable one. No one wants that to be their whole life. You lose a sense of purpose and independence -- it's crushing, really.

BMO

[WILLIAMS5232]

I'm sure that's a good argument on another planet, but the flaw here is that this is Earth.

Why is it that the moment you realize that you've been caught bullshitting your way through a discussion you resort to shoving your fingers in your ears and yelling "NOOOOO." Don't be so childish.
Dude, I ain't even made, I don't even care. I was trying to help you.

i'm not bullshitting, these are my opinions. i'm not mad either. i just don't think all these programs are going to work. i know what i'm capable of and have trouble thinking anyone is less capable than myself. i don't live a life of luxury, but i get along just fine. i think people want more than what they need. and then they expect those wants to be a right?

my main point about it all is, these democrats are just as money hungry as the repubs. they don't care about the poor other than the vote. they wont come down on the freeloaders because they don't want to lose the vote. i know in fairy tale land it all sounds good, but this isn't fairy tale land.

this is Earth.

you do realize there are people taking advantage of the system right? living aint' hard. unless you want 22 inch rims, iphones, and video games to play. take all that away and it's quite simple really. how many "poor" people receiving govt assistance has non essential items in their home. how often do they go out to eat? i'd say if it's once it's too much. it's about sacrificing the luxuries you want for the ones you need.

i'd be all for it if the system worked. or there was some sort of daylight point where it could run itself. but that will never happen because it will never work. it's not working now, it won't work tommorrow. for every person you are seriously helping, there's probably 2 taking advantage. i'm saying less is more here. you're saying the opposite.

college is not the awnser either, the more accessible you make that, the less it means to have a college education. i go to school, i know how easy it is to pass. i could basically just show up to class and put up 20 percent effort and the teacher would still pass me because she/he wants his/her numbers to look good for the attendance vs. passing ratio. i got my job when i was 18 without college. i still hold it, that was 15 years ago. i made it through the layoffs of 08-09 because i was one of the ones worth keeping ( meaning i work hard ).

basically, we'll never agree on this, that's why i just give up. i'm sure your intentions are good, but i'd bet the food stamp argument that all these politicians that you respect so much like obama have different motives than what you try to claim they have. i'm not saying i'm republican, i'll bash them just as hard but i've already got your consent there so i don't need to. i'll try and look at things through your eyes if you give mine a peek. what say you.

just altogether do away with hard work huh?
makes sense.

Working...where, exactly? This isn't the 50's anymore. Jobs aren't falling off of trees and begging that people be employed. The life of poverty with only government assistance is not a desirable one. No one wants that to be their whole life. You lose a sense of purpose and independence -- it's crushing, really.

BMO

it's human nature to survive. i'd bet 90 percent of the people taking advantage of govt assistance could get by without it if you took it from them. like i've said before. we live way outside of our means. i'm saying this from experience. not just spouting off at the mouth here. i've recently shaved off quite a sizeable chunck of my cost of living in order to pay off credit card debt that i've accumulated. and i could go even lower but i don't feel the need. probably close to 70 percent less i'm spending a month than i was 6 months ago. i'm still quite happy and comfortable.

[thegreekdog]

What legislation did the Democrats pass that gave poor people health insurance?

Obamacare. Even if you can't afford mandatory health insurance, you'll be covered under the government plan.

Do you know why Democrats vote to raise the minimum wage?

Do you know Republicans are against it? Or that they want to repeal it on the Marianna Islands - re-instituting Chinese Slavery on American territory?

What legislation did the Democrats pass to lower taxes? Did Republicans vote for that legislation? Did a Republican president sign that legislation?

Obama lowered taxes by an average of $2K for 95% of working families. People don't feel it because everything got so expensive.

Utilities? WTF?

Yeah, another Obama program that will partially or fully pay for heating costs over winter for low income families. They've always had programs to help pay electric bills.

The Affordable Care Act (I was asked to no longer call it Obamacare) doesn't do anything more than Medicare/Medicaid did before it.
I do know why the Republicans are against the minimum wage hikes.
President Bush lowered taxes for "working families."
If you're talking about the Low Income Housing Energy Assistance program... then okay. I'm trying to figure out when it was passed (not under the Obama administration, not that this means anything).

[Juan_Bottom]

Did the GOP rig the election for Mitt Romney?

[chang50]

voter ID 80% support. Oh, the tyranny of common sense!

Massacre of Jews, Poles, Russians, Slavs, Gypsies, Homosexuals and other minorities and enslavement of Europe supported by 80%, OH THE TYRANNY OF COMMON SENSE.

Yes, Progressive Socialists Workers Parties get out of control from time to time....

Luckily, America was there to stop the Progressive Socialists Woker's Parties. They were off the chain yo

Total nonesense,the USSR largely stopped Nazism in Europe..

[Funkyterrance]

I've only read the last couple pages here due to time constraints but I'm going to put in 2 cents. I won't even claim them as my two cents but they may shed a little light on the subject.
I have had friends in the past who have gotten money from the government for various reasons. This money was given to them out of the "common pocket" because they were deemed underprivileged in one way or another. I never qualified for any of these funds but my income and theirs was at times more or less equal as we were all too young to make very much money. I remember that a good number of these people had "nicer" stuff than me. I drove my inferior car for much longer, had a crappier phone, bought less drugs and alcohol, had less video games, spent less on food and wore less designer clothes. They weren't working for the money they used to buy these things but by most people's standards, they were living a better quality of life. Is this a good system? I realize that I may have been viewing a specific window of the system but it just goes to show that there are at least some instances of people taking advantage of the system. I've seen it with my own eyes.

[WILLIAMS5232]

I've only read the last couple pages here due to time constraints but I'm going to put in 2 cents. I won't even claim them as my two cents but they may shed a little light on the subject.
I have had friends in the past who have gotten money from the government for various reasons. This money was given to them out of the "common pocket" because they were deemed underprivileged in one way or another. I never qualified for any of these funds but my income and theirs was at times more or less equal as we were all too young to make very much money. I remember that a good number of these people had "nicer" stuff than me. I drove my inferior car for much longer, had a crappier phone, bought less drugs and alcohol, had less video games, spent less on food and wore less designer clothes. They weren't working for the money they used to buy these things but by most people's standards, they were living a better quality of life. Is this a good system? I realize that I may have been viewing a specific window of the system but it just goes to show that there are at least some instances of people taking advantage of the system. I've seen it with my own eyes.

i agree the system is grossly abused. and there seems to be some misunderstanding on defining the differences between "wants" and "needs". if you leave it to the benefactors to decide this difference, things may not get out of hand. but that's not the case.

example;
can you buy pop-tarts with food stamps?
i would argue that this is a luxury item.

[Juan_Bottom]

What does that have to do with voting though?

[Funkyterrance]

i agree the system is grossly abused. and there seems to be some misunderstanding on defining the differences between "wants" and "needs". if you leave it to the benefactors to decide this difference, things may not get out of hand. but that's not the case.

example;
can you buy pop-tarts with food stamps?
i would argue that this is a luxury item.

I would say that's a pretty good example. If someone is to receive something from the government, it should be "government issue". Money to pay your rent? Sure. Money to spend on cigarettes and beer? I don't think so.

[MegaProphet]

Did the GOP rig the election for Mitt Romney?

It's too bad that the only real way to check up on the facts in this article are being covered up