Is Social Conservatism Dead in the US?

[thegreekdog]

Conservatism isn't dead yet, but the Constitution is on its death bed. Republicans have to join with Libertarians if there is any chance to save Constitutional principles. America has chosen that they would rather vote "me-first" and have decided to become dependent on what the government can give them rather than what they can do for themselves. We can only hope that by 2016, America will have realized what a grave error that was and the Republicans/Libertarians must work together to nominate candidates that can clearly articulate true Constitutional principles.

The question is who compromises - libertarians or social conservatives? I'm not compromising. Are you?

[thegreekdog]

And climate change is not a social issue, it's an economic one.

I think this depends on the person. I myself view it mainly as an economic issue but player obviously doesn't.

It seems to be both- on a social side, much of the issue is about how distrustful the denial side has been of the overwhelming scientific consensus. That's tied into the economic side- much of the denialism is heavily tied to companies that have a vested interest in saying that it isn't happening. Or to flip back to the social side, religious folk who have an issue with science in general.

I'm not sure the two parts- the social and the economic are easily separable.

Fair. I was making a distinction between those who want the government to do something about climate change and those that don't want the government to do something about climate change. I was ignoring the "don't believe climate change exists" people.

[Lootifer]

Conservatism isn't dead yet, but the Constitution is on its death bed. Republicans have to join with Libertarians if there is any chance to save Constitutional principles. America has chosen that they would rather vote "me-first" and have decided to become dependent on what the government can give them rather than what they can do for themselves. We can only hope that by 2016, America will have realized what a grave error that was and the Republicans/Libertarians must work together to nominate candidates that can clearly articulate true Constitutional principles.

Just a question (an aside if you will).

The way you have written makes me (a relatively neutral external observer) think that social conservatism is an analogue of constitutionalism... However I was under the impression this was NOT the case?

Constitutionalism is an adherance/support of the traditional framework in which the ideals (one of which is social conservatism) operate isnt it? Not one of the ideals in itself?

Hence I think your post makes not sense in the context...

edit: Bones beat me to it.

[Night Strike]

Conservatism isn't dead yet, but the Constitution is on its death bed. Republicans have to join with Libertarians if there is any chance to save Constitutional principles. America has chosen that they would rather vote "me-first" and have decided to become dependent on what the government can give them rather than what they can do for themselves. We can only hope that by 2016, America will have realized what a grave error that was and the Republicans/Libertarians must work together to nominate candidates that can clearly articulate true Constitutional principles.

The question is who compromises - libertarians or social conservatives? I'm not compromising. Are you?

I can compromise on marijuana but will refuse to on abortion (how anyone can justify state-sanctioned killing of innocent people of certain demographics is beyond my comprehension). The definition of marriage should be left up to each state.

We are going to have a massive governmental bureaucracy to undue by the time Obama is out of office, so the goal should be to begin laying the foundations of free market, constitutional principles starting today, as much of the country has completely forgotten what those mean. With every governmental program or regulation that is unveiled, there needs to be a free market response to it. There also needs to be affirmation of programs that are true tasks of the government to delineate between smaller government and no government.

[Symmetry]

Conservatism isn't dead yet, but the Constitution is on its death bed. Republicans have to join with Libertarians if there is any chance to save Constitutional principles. America has chosen that they would rather vote "me-first" and have decided to become dependent on what the government can give them rather than what they can do for themselves. We can only hope that by 2016, America will have realized what a grave error that was and the Republicans/Libertarians must work together to nominate candidates that can clearly articulate true Constitutional principles.

The question is who compromises - libertarians or social conservatives? I'm not compromising. Are you?

I can compromise on marijuana but will refuse to on abortion (how anyone can justify state-sanctioned killing of innocent people of certain demographics is beyond my comprehension). The definition of marriage should be left up to each state.

We are going to have a massive governmental bureaucracy to undue by the time Obama is out of office, so the goal should be to begin laying the foundations of free market, constitutional principles starting today, as much of the country has completely forgotten what those mean. With every governmental program or regulation that is unveiled, there needs to be a free market response to it. There also needs to be affirmation of programs that are true tasks of the government to delineate between smaller government and no government.

Abortion was clearly a topic that the Repubs went too far right on this election. Your post seems crazy right wing (certain demographics? state sanctioned killing of them?). It's increasingly odd that we all, liberals and conservatives, talk about women as a minority voter group, but this sort of stuff, by old white guys, doesn't play well with the female majority.

[saxitoxin]

Republicans have to join with Libertarians

This is like a 40 year old, obese woman with bad acne hiking up her skirt in front of Taylor Lautner and saying "come 'n get it, hon!"

Republicans will have to lose weight and clean-up their skin if they want to pursue this as a strategy. Most likely they'll just stick to their proven losing strategy of showing cankle and expecting the Libertarians to jump into bed.