Is misogynistic sexism really a problem in the US?

[Army of GOD]

I don't believe it is.


What are the biggest issues women face and I can give you a bigger one that men face

[saxitoxin]

What are the biggest issues women face and I can give you a bigger one that men face

blood gushes outta their genitals every few weeks

super-gross

[mrswdk]

Misogynists like AoG.

[Army of GOD]

What are the biggest issues women face and I can give you a bigger one that men face

blood gushes outta their genitals every few weeks

super-gross

blood gushes out of my genitals every few weeks and I don't complain about it

Misogynists like AoG.

circular reasoning. Not acceptable

[saxitoxin]

What are the biggest issues women face and I can give you a bigger one that men face

blood gushes outta their genitals every few weeks

super-gross

blood gushes out of my genitals every few weeks and I don't complain about it

hmmm ... you probably should

at least tell your doctor

[tzor]

What are the biggest issues women face and I can give you a bigger one that men face

Women face a number of big issues but they have nothing to do with misogynistic sexism (well mostly nothing).

Clothing is a good example. It is way too expensive for women and doesn't adequately address the needs of women. It is generally designed for a sizing system that is inconsistent and frankly borderline crazy.

Then there is the whole public toilet dilemma. You can cram three urinals into the space of two toilets, but the ladies' room is allocated the same space as the men's room. (Now I am aware of modern technology which is not commonplace, but until we redesign the ladies room to accommodate these devices there will still be a smaller number of people who can pee in the ladies' room as opposed to the men's room.)

[tzor]

blood gushes out of my genitals every few weeks and I don't complain about it.

You should tell your doctor. The most common cause could be a passing sharp kidney stone and that can cause infection. It may cause hallucinations, a feeling of divinity, and most dangerously, the mistaken illusion that you can actually play this game.

By the way, I doubt you have, but have you ever had a prostrate biopsy? Blood in the urine and in the semen can occur for quite some time after the procedure. Even when you know it's coming, blood in the semen can freak out most people.

[mrswdk]

Clothing is a good example. It is way too expensive for women and doesn't adequately address the needs of women.

lolwat

[Symmetry]

Clothing is a good example. It is way too expensive for women and doesn't adequately address the needs of women.

lolwat

He has a point, actually. Turns out a lot of big businesses have a dress code for employees that is pretty different for men and women. Women having to wear high heels, and such. Expense is part of it, as this is often for low to medium paying jobs office jobs.

Kind of became a big thing in the UK when a woman was sent home for not wearing heels at PriceWaterhouseCooper, a large London finance company.

After that, a lot of women came forward with the sexist dress codes that they have to obey. Make up, heels, fitted clothes, hairdos, etc.

[saxitoxin]

Clothing is a good example. It is way too expensive for women and doesn't adequately address the needs of women.

lolwat

He has a point, actually. Turns out a lot of big businesses have a dress code for employees that is pretty different for men and women. Women having to wear high heels, and such. Expense is part of it, as this is often for low to medium paying jobs office jobs.

Kind of became a big thing in the UK when a woman was sent home for not wearing heels at PriceWaterhouseCooper, a large London finance company.

After that, a lot of women came forward with the sexist dress codes that they have to obey. Make up, heels, fitted clothes, hairdos, etc.

it's the reason I require all women be completely undressed before they so much as step foot in my place*; we all gotta work TOGETHER to combat sexism




* except the ugos

[mrswdk]

Clothing is a good example. It is way too expensive for women and doesn't adequately address the needs of women.

lolwat

He has a point, actually. Turns out a lot of big businesses have a dress code for employees that is pretty different for men and women. Women having to wear high heels, and such. Expense is part of it, as this is often for low to medium paying jobs office jobs.

Kind of became a big thing in the UK when a woman was sent home for not wearing heels at PriceWaterhouseCooper, a large London finance company.

After that, a lot of women came forward with the sexist dress codes that they have to obey. Make up, heels, fitted clothes, hairdos, etc.

And you don't think that same PWC office requires all its male employees to turn up in a full suit? How much does that complete suit cost?

Since we're trading anecdotes, all the male porters in my building have to wear a full suit to work, while the women seem to get away with not wearing a tie, or even swapping the shirt and tie for some sort of black cotton top. That means the men's work outfits cost more. Bazinga!

[Dukasaur]

blood gushes out of my genitals every few weeks and I don't complain about it.

You should tell your doctor. The most common cause could be a passing sharp kidney stone and that can cause infection. It may cause hallucinations, a feeling of divinity, and most dangerously, the mistaken illusion that you can actually play this game.

By the way, I doubt you have, but have you ever had a prostrate biopsy? Blood in the urine and in the semen can occur for quite some time after the procedure. Even when you know it's coming, blood in the semen can freak out most people.

It can also happen when John Wayne beats you to death with kidney shots.

[tzor]

And you don't think that same PWC office requires all its male employees to turn up in a full suit? How much does that complete suit cost?

Well let's look at some numbers. I'll try Macy's first.
Woman's pant suits featured: $280
Men's suit: $375 (More expensive so I might be wrong here but wait it's on SALE!) $89.95
But that's assuming you need the suit. A lot of places allow men to wear blazer and tie,

Almost all the professional women in New York City wear two pairs of shoes. One is for outside the office in order to run the city sidewalks without hurting their legs, and the high heels for the office. I never see men needing a second pair of shoes to use outside the office.

Now we get to the system to size women's clothing (at least in the United States): The absurdity of women’s clothing sizes, in one chart. It's not standard by a long shot. Men's clothing is still measured in INCHES! Not in some damn number that could mean one thing to one company and another thing to a different company.

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[mrswdk]

I don't know about men's shirts in America but in the UK not only do you have collar, arm and chest measurements but if you're buying shirts off the rack you also have to work out whether you want the body to be slim, tailored, fitted and/or classic fit, and different companies interpret those fittings in different ways. Similarly with trousers, you have a waist and leg measurement but different places shape the thighs differently depending on how anorexic their target audience are. The only way you can ever tell whether a shirt or pair of trousers is going to fit you properly is to try it on.

I never see men needing a second pair of shoes to use outside the office.

Right, or needing a second pair of underpants to use when they're washing their first pair.

[Symmetry]

Clothing is a good example. It is way too expensive for women and doesn't adequately address the needs of women.

lolwat

He has a point, actually. Turns out a lot of big businesses have a dress code for employees that is pretty different for men and women. Women having to wear high heels, and such. Expense is part of it, as this is often for low to medium paying jobs office jobs.

Kind of became a big thing in the UK when a woman was sent home for not wearing heels at PriceWaterhouseCooper, a large London finance company.

After that, a lot of women came forward with the sexist dress codes that they have to obey. Make up, heels, fitted clothes, hairdos, etc.

And you don't think that same PWC office requires all its male employees to turn up in a full suit? How much does that complete suit cost?

Since we're trading anecdotes, all the male porters in my building have to wear a full suit to work, while the women seem to get away with not wearing a tie, or even swapping the shirt and tie for some sort of black cotton top. That means the men's work outfits cost more. Bazinga!

A suit? You can get one of the rack for about £100. Ties and shirts are cheap, but let's say another £40 for a couple of each. You're in China, so I would guess you get something tailored for around the same price. I picked up a few tailored jackets in Thailand when I last visited, and it didn't break the bank.

The general point is that she should have been allowed to wear flats, anyway. A tie can be be a bit uncomfortable, but high heels are a bit different, no?

[Symmetry]

I don't know about men's shirts in America but in the UK not only do you have collar, arm and chest measurements but if you're buying shirts off the rack you also have to work out whether you want the body to be slim, tailored, fitted and/or classic fit, and different companies interpret those fittings in different ways. Similarly with trousers, you have a waist and leg measurement but different places shape the thighs differently depending on how anorexic their target audience are. The only way you can ever tell whether a shirt or pair of trousers is going to fit you properly is to try it on.

I never see men needing a second pair of shoes to use outside the office.

Right, or needing a second pair of underpants to use when they're washing their first pair.

Dear lord, you've actually gone off the deep end with this. It's not a big deal to take a few pairs of trousers into a changing room and see how they fit.

You make it sound like a complicated ordeal. You're kinda pushing the "men have it tough too" thing beyond its breaking point.

[saxitoxin]

A suit? You can get one of the rack for about £100. Ties and shirts are cheap, but let's say another £40 for a couple of each. You're in China, so I would guess you get something tailored for around the same price. I picked up a few tailored jackets in Thailand when I last visited, and it didn't break the bank.

[mrswdk]

Clothing is a good example. It is way too expensive for women and doesn't adequately address the needs of women.

lolwat

He has a point, actually. Turns out a lot of big businesses have a dress code for employees that is pretty different for men and women. Women having to wear high heels, and such. Expense is part of it, as this is often for low to medium paying jobs office jobs.

Kind of became a big thing in the UK when a woman was sent home for not wearing heels at PriceWaterhouseCooper, a large London finance company.

After that, a lot of women came forward with the sexist dress codes that they have to obey. Make up, heels, fitted clothes, hairdos, etc.

And you don't think that same PWC office requires all its male employees to turn up in a full suit? How much does that complete suit cost?

Since we're trading anecdotes, all the male porters in my building have to wear a full suit to work, while the women seem to get away with not wearing a tie, or even swapping the shirt and tie for some sort of black cotton top. That means the men's work outfits cost more. Bazinga!

A suit? You can get one of the rack for about £100. Ties and shirts are cheap, but let's say another £40 for a couple of each. You're in China, so I would guess you get something tailored for around the same price. I picked up a few tailored jackets in Thailand when I last visited, and it didn't break the bank.

The general point is that she should have been allowed to wear flats, anyway. A tie can be be a bit uncomfortable, but high heels are a bit different, no?

tzor: clothing is more expensive for women
mrswdk: what?
PLAYER: he has a point, look at women's work dress codes
mrswdk: women's work clothes are not more expensive than men's
PLAYER: no the point is that it's unfair to make women wear heels

inb4 Symmetry makes reference to unspecified studies about gender inequality in work dress codes before refusing to directly cite any of them

[mrswdk]

A suit? You can get one of the rack for about £100. Ties and shirts are cheap, but let's say another £40 for a couple of each. You're in China, so I would guess you get something tailored for around the same price. I picked up a few tailored jackets in Thailand when I last visited, and it didn't break the bank.

Right - men can buy five suits for £100, but women can buy 40 garbage bags for £2. Just wrap them round your body with some sellotape and voila! An affordable, yet comfortable, outfit for the office!

[hotfire]

Do you know why women are required to wear heals in the workplace? It is because it forces them to walk slowly and loudly when on a hard surface, so that you can hear them coming long before they are near you. This allows you to finish up your conversation comfortably and switch it to something a stray female ear would not be offended by.

[2dimes]

tzor: clothing is more expensive for women
mrswdk: what?
PLAYER: he has a point, look at women's work dress codes
mrswdk: women's work clothes are not more expensive than men's
PLAYER: no the point is that it's unfair to make women wear heels

inb4 Symmetry makes reference to unspecified studies about gender inequality in work dress codes before refusing to directly cite any of them

No need to add Dog the Bologna hunter there.

Unspecified studies by world renown scientist that can't be quoted directly is player's m.o. If you spent time with her and world renown scientists you'd know that.

[Symmetry]

tzor: clothing is more expensive for women
mrswdk: what?
PLAYER: he has a point, look at women's work dress codes
mrswdk: women's work clothes are not more expensive than men's
PLAYER: no the point is that it's unfair to make women wear heels

inb4 Symmetry makes reference to unspecified studies about gender inequality in work dress codes before refusing to directly cite any of them

No need to add Dog the Bologna hunter there.

Unspecified studies by world renown scientist that can't be quoted directly is player's m.o. If you spent time with her and world renown scientists you'd know that.

"Renowned" not "renown", and you and the Mrs have your posters confused in your posts. I'd cite some studies, but you can probably just look at the thread and a dictionary.

[PLAYER57832]

I don't believe it is.


What are the biggest issues women face and I can give you a bigger one that men face

Then you are blind, deaf and showing no real awareness of what happens

I am sure you faced more obstacles than either Jennifer Gates or Ivanka Trump, but just as an example.. I and several other girls each scored very highly on SATs and such, yet no one even offered us the opportunities that our male classmates got. And, women were routinely denies various jobs.

But... you are not interested in serious discussion, just making obnoxious claims.

[Symmetry]

I don't believe it is.


What are the biggest issues women face and I can give you a bigger one that men face

Then you are blind, deaf and showing no real awareness of what happens

I am sure you faced more obstacles than either Jennifer Gates or Ivanka Trump, but just as an example.. I and several other girls each scored very highly on SATs and such, yet no one even offered us the opportunities that our male classmates got. And, women were routinely denies various jobs.

But... you are not interested in serious discussion, just making obnoxious claims.

To be fair, Ivanka Trump is something like 6 foot, so it's not right to compare them in that way. AoG has certainly faced obstacles as a man that Ivanka could have clambered over with ease, glass ceilings that needed light-bulb changes without the use of a boost, and photographs with basketball players that didn't require a wide lens.

Plus, he's kind of an idiot.