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China-fication of Tibet

Postby HitRed on Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:18 am

Gentrification / China-fication

Free Tibet!

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Re: China-fication of Tibet

Postby mrswdk on Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:05 pm

HitRed wrote:Free Tibet!


Take your pick from the below:

Free Texas

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Free Hawaii

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Free Native America

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Re: China-fication of Tibet

Postby jimboston on Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:59 pm

You’re not wrong mrswdk.... except for the one fact that matters...

The “US/European” occupation and takeover of ‘Native American’ lands is a done deal, ancient history.
The Chinese occupation and takeover of Tibet is an ongoing process that’s still displacing and killing people.

That said, you could make an argument about Hawaii still having enough truly indigenous population that it could be considered an ongoing thing.
It’s more recent and it’s possible we could find a way to genetically identify enough indigenous people to make a viable country. The question would be ‘how’ you’d decide and ‘who’ would get to vote. Would only people with enough percentage indigenous blood get a vote? What about ‘non-indigenous’ whose families have lived on the islands for awhile or those born there... which would include both Europeans, but also a lot of Japanese and Filipino peoples. All said I think most would want to stay in US... but I’m just guessing. I’d be ok with Hawaii leaving the US if people voted that way. Of course it’ll never happen.
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Re: China-fication of Tibet

Postby mrswdk on Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:06 pm

jimboston wrote:You’re not wrong mrswdk.... except for the one fact that matters...

The “US/European” occupation and takeover of ‘Native American’ lands is a done deal, ancient history.
The Chinese occupation and takeover of Tibet is an ongoing process


Tibet has been a part of China ever since it was brought into the Yuan Dynasty back in the 1200s.

It became autonomous in the early 20th century following the collapse of the Qing Dynasty, but then so did most areas of what is now modern China. After 1911, all the territories of the Qing fragmented and fell under the control of 7-8 coalitions of different local warlords with no central authority unifying them. When Mao established the PRC what he basically did was reunite all those territories that had been part of the Qing Dynasty, including Tibet.

So, Tibet has been part of China for much longer than the United States Government has exerted authority over the 50 states.
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Re: China-fication of Tibet

Postby jimboston on Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:18 pm

mrswdk wrote:
jimboston wrote:You’re not wrong mrswdk.... except for the one fact that matters...

The “US/European” occupation and takeover of ‘Native American’ lands is a done deal, ancient history.
The Chinese occupation and takeover of Tibet is an ongoing process


Tibet has been a part of China ever since it was brought into the Yuan Dynasty back in the 1200s.

It became autonomous in the early 20th century following the collapse of the Qing Dynasty, but then so did most areas of what is now modern China. After 1911, all the territories of the Qing fragmented and fell under the control of 7-8 coalitions of different local warlords with no central authority unifying them. When Mao established the PRC what he basically did was reunite all those territories that had been part of the Qing Dynasty, including Tibet.

So, Tibet has been part of China for much longer than the United States Government has exerted authority over the 50 states.


Tibetan people are culturally different than the vast majority of other mainstream Chinese people.

If Louisiana wanted Independence from the USA I wouldn’t oppose it.
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Re: China-fication of Tibet

Postby Jdsizzleslice on Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:54 pm

jimboston wrote:If Louisiana wanted Independence from the USA I wouldn’t oppose it.

Have you been to Louisiana?
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Re: China-fication of Tibet

Postby riskllama on Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:26 pm

Jdsizzleslice wrote:
jimboston wrote:If Louisiana wanted Independence from the USA I wouldn’t oppose it.

Have you been to Louisiana?


why?
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Re: China-fication of Tibet

Postby HitRed on Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:52 pm

https://www.foxnews.com/world/cultural- ... ibet-today


Are the US authorities actively suppressing Louisiana?

According to Amnesty International's most recent China report, "the human rights situation continued to be marked by a systematic crackdown on dissent," and that Tibetan areas were especially subject to "repression conducted under the guise of 'anti-separatism' or 'counter-terrorism.'"

In its 2019 Human Rights Situation report, the India-based Tibetan Centre for Human Rights and Democracy (TCHRD) claimed that Beijing was using an extensive amount of surveillance technology to "suppress Tibetans and instill fear," and "violate the right to freedom of expression and privacy of journalists, bloggers, and human rights defenders."
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Re: China-fication of Tibet

Postby mookiemcgee on Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:19 pm

HitRed wrote:https://www.foxnews.com/world/cultural-genocide-what-china-tibet-today

Human rights activists widely claim a multitude of international law violations in the historic, mountainous terrain.

According to Amnesty International's most recent China report, "the human rights situation continued to be marked by a systematic crackdown on dissent," and that Tibetan areas were especially subject to "repression conducted under the guise of 'anti-separatism' or 'counter-terrorism.'"

In its 2019 Human Rights Situation report, the India-based Tibetan Centre for Human Rights and Democracy (TCHRD) claimed that Beijing was using an extensive amount of surveillance technology to "suppress Tibetans and instill fear," and "violate the right to freedom of expression and privacy of journalists, bloggers, and human rights defenders."

Are the US authorities actively suppressing Louisiana?


Have you been to Louisiana?
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Re: China-fication of Tibet

Postby mrswdk on Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:36 pm

jimboston wrote:
mrswdk wrote:
jimboston wrote:You’re not wrong mrswdk.... except for the one fact that matters...

The “US/European” occupation and takeover of ‘Native American’ lands is a done deal, ancient history.
The Chinese occupation and takeover of Tibet is an ongoing process


Tibet has been a part of China ever since it was brought into the Yuan Dynasty back in the 1200s.

It became autonomous in the early 20th century following the collapse of the Qing Dynasty, but then so did most areas of what is now modern China. After 1911, all the territories of the Qing fragmented and fell under the control of 7-8 coalitions of different local warlords with no central authority unifying them. When Mao established the PRC what he basically did was reunite all those territories that had been part of the Qing Dynasty, including Tibet.

So, Tibet has been part of China for much longer than the United States Government has exerted authority over the 50 states.


Tibetan people are culturally different than the vast majority of other mainstream Chinese people.


Whereas native American culture was pretty much a carbon copy of European culture :roll:
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Re: China-fication of Tibet

Postby jimboston on Mon Aug 03, 2020 12:23 pm

mrswdk wrote:
jimboston wrote:
mrswdk wrote:
jimboston wrote:You’re not wrong mrswdk.... except for the one fact that matters...

The “US/European” occupation and takeover of ‘Native American’ lands is a done deal, ancient history.
The Chinese occupation and takeover of Tibet is an ongoing process


Tibet has been a part of China ever since it was brought into the Yuan Dynasty back in the 1200s.

It became autonomous in the early 20th century following the collapse of the Qing Dynasty, but then so did most areas of what is now modern China. After 1911, all the territories of the Qing fragmented and fell under the control of 7-8 coalitions of different local warlords with no central authority unifying them. When Mao established the PRC what he basically did was reunite all those territories that had been part of the Qing Dynasty, including Tibet.

So, Tibet has been part of China for much longer than the United States Government has exerted authority over the 50 states.


Tibetan people are culturally different than the vast majority of other mainstream Chinese people.


Native American people do not currently make up a significant majority of any region viable enough to be an Independent Country.

You ignore my Louisiana comment... Louisiana could be a viable independent country given it’s location and access to open waters.
Tibet shares a border with India and China (and Nepal) and could therefore have a reasonable chance to exist as a viable Independent Country.


Whereas native American culture was pretty much a carbon copy of European culture :roll:
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Re: China-fication of Tibet

Postby mrswdk on Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:26 pm

I never realised you were such an ethno-nationalist. What're your thoughts on a white nation state?
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Re: China-fication of Tibet

Postby jimboston on Tue Aug 04, 2020 1:16 pm

mrswdk wrote:I never realised you were such an ethno-nationalist. What're your thoughts on a white nation state?


Define the terms “white” and “white nation state” and I’ll give you my answer.
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Re: China-fication of Tibet

Postby mrswdk on Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:26 pm

jimboston wrote:
mrswdk wrote:I never realised you were such an ethno-nationalist. What're your thoughts on a white nation state?


Define the terms “white” and “white nation state” and I’ll give you my answer.


Sigh
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Re: China-fication of Tibet

Postby jimboston on Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:04 pm

mrswdk wrote:
jimboston wrote:
mrswdk wrote:I never realised you were such an ethno-nationalist. What're your thoughts on a white nation state?


Define the terms “white” and “white nation state” and I’ll give you my answer.


Sigh


Sorry I didn’t fall for your trap.
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Re: China-fication of Tibet

Postby mrswdk on Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:54 am

jimboston wrote:
mrswdk wrote:
jimboston wrote:
mrswdk wrote:I never realised you were such an ethno-nationalist. What're your thoughts on a white nation state?


Define the terms “white” and “white nation state” and I’ll give you my answer.


Sigh


Sorry I didn’t fall for your trap.


Define 'trap'.
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Re: China-fication of Tibet

Postby jimboston on Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:54 am

mrswdk wrote:
jimboston wrote:
mrswdk wrote:
jimboston wrote:
mrswdk wrote:I never realised you were such an ethno-nationalist. What're your thoughts on a white nation state?


Define the terms “white” and “white nation state” and I’ll give you my answer.


Sigh


Sorry I didn’t fall for your trap.


Define 'trap'.


I’ll give an example instead.

Like all those times when YOU dress up like a woman and go to a bar, where you rufie young drunk men and lure them back to your flat where you attempt to have your way with them.
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Re: China-fication of Tibet

Postby mrswdk on Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:20 am

Insinuating that because I am Chinese I must be some sort of lady boy date rapist.

See the following post for further details: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=233962#p5166125
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Re: China-fication of Tibet

Postby jimboston on Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:19 pm

mrswdk wrote:Insinuating that because I am Chinese I must be some sort of lady boy date rapist.

See the following post for further details: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=233962#p5166125


Where did I mention your race or ethnicity? How do I even know your ethnicity?

I’m assuming your a tranny-tricking date rapist.
Your race or ethnicity is irrelevant to the insult.
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Re: China-fication of Tibet

Postby strike wolf on Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:49 pm

No. Mrsdwk. We freed half of Oklahoma. Its chinas turn.
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Re: China-fication of Tibet

Postby mrswdk on Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:07 pm

strike wolf wrote:No. Mrsdwk. We freed half of Oklahoma. Its chinas turn.


You do realise the only people in the world who want Tibet to become an independent nation state are whiny American college students, right?
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Re: China-fication of Tibet

Postby jimboston on Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:52 am

mrswdk wrote:
strike wolf wrote:No. Mrsdwk. We freed half of Oklahoma. Its chinas turn.


You do realise the only people in the world who want Tibet to become an independent nation state are whiny American college students, right?


Oh... and the actual people in/from Tibet.

Of course within a generation China will have force-relocated enough ethnic Chin people to overwhelm the ethnic Tibet people... then this will all be moot.
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Re: China-fication of Tibet

Postby mrswdk on Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:48 am

jimboston wrote:
mrswdk wrote:
strike wolf wrote:No. Mrsdwk. We freed half of Oklahoma. Its chinas turn.


You do realise the only people in the world who want Tibet to become an independent nation state are whiny American college students, right?


Oh... and the actual people in/from Tibet.


Sounds like you are very well-informed about the views of people who grew up in and/or currently live in Tibet. I'd love to hear more about your research into this topic.
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Re: China-fication of Tibet

Postby Dukasaur on Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:49 pm

mrswdk wrote:
jimboston wrote:
mrswdk wrote:
strike wolf wrote:No. Mrsdwk. We freed half of Oklahoma. Its chinas turn.


You do realise the only people in the world who want Tibet to become an independent nation state are whiny American college students, right?


Oh... and the actual people in/from Tibet.


Sounds like you are very well-informed about the views of people who grew up in and/or currently live in Tibet. I'd love to hear more about your research into this topic.


https://www.tibet.ca/en/library/wtn/11095

For many people around the world, the massive uprising against Chinese rule in Tibet and other areas of China inhabited by Tibetans in March 2008 might have been just another example of Tibetans voicing their resentment toward Chinese rule. However, for Tsewang Dhondup and Lobsang Thupten — two Tibetans from peasant families in the remote mountainous village of Tehor in Sichuan Province’s Kardze Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture — it was an event that completely changed their lives.

Born in 1970 and raised in the Chinese-controlled Tibetan autonomous region, Tsewang and Lobsang know all too well that China’s propaganda about “improving the lives” of Tibetans and “respecting Tibetan culture and religion” is all lies because of what has happened to their fellow villagers and themselves.

“If the quality of life has really been improved and modernized, why don’t we have basic things, such as a decent elementary school in our village?” Tsewang said in an interview with the Taipei Times yesterday.

“From first to fourth grade, we didn’t have paper or pencils or even classroom furniture,” he said. “We sat on the ground, each of us was given a tree branch and we wrote on the dusty ground. There were four teachers at the school and the one with the best education had graduated from the same elementary school and remained as a teacher because he could not pass the entrance exam for middle school.”

Education wasn’t something that villagers valued either because they knew that Tibetans did not enjoy the same opportunities as Chinese, even if they had the same education background, Tsewang said.

Since school was mandatory, many Tibetan children from farming villages were forced to go to school.

“Traditionally, many Tibetans were farmers, but when we are in school, we learned nothing, while at the same time we lost our skills to work on the farm because we had to stay in school instead of helping on the farm,” he said. “Thus, when we get out of school, we became nothing — we were just wasting time at school.”

“It’s not that I didn’t want to learn — I always wanted to learn more, but I didn’t have the chance to,” Tsewang added.

Originally, his village was self-sustainable, having always grown potatoes and other crops, “but since the Chinese Communist Party [CCP] took control, they forced us to plant useless things, such as thistles and thorns, to -intentionally make us dependent on the outside,” Tsewang said.
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