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160th Anniversary of THE WAR BETWEEN THE STATES!!!

Postby ConfederateSS on Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:17 am

-----------160th ANNIVERSARY of THE WAR BETWEEN THE STATES :!: :!: :!: ...On April 12th, 1861...4:30am....Shots fired by The SOUTH at Fort Sumpter...THE WAR BETWEEN THE STATES was on......A war ...where Fort Sumter was rebuilt with brick...Because in the 1830's ,over poor tariffs by the North...South Carolina was going to leave The USA....Tariffs,money... another Reason for War to breakout.... O:) ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... O:)
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Re: 160th Anniversary of THE WAR BETWEEN THE STATES!!!

Postby 2dimes on Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:55 am

They should build a wall to keep you Mongols in the north. Don't you agree?



As it is you could just ride your bicycle down there anytime you feel like it and spray paint.

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On some of their buildings and newly erected BLM statues.
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Re: 160th Anniversary of THE WAR BETWEEN THE STATES!!!

Postby ConfederateSS on Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:22 pm

2dimes wrote:They should build a wall to keep you Mongols in the north. Don't you agree?



As it is you could just ride your bicycle down there anytime you feel like it and spray paint.

ConfederateSS wrote:-----------ThE :!: :!: :!: ...SOUTH...wILl......RiSe ...A...G...a....I...n.... O:) ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... O:)


On some of their buildings and newly erected BLM statues.


-------That would be bad for Biden's Go Green policy...Spray Paint would hurt the ozone layer...Then Bill Gates will really block out the SUN... :) ...Gates must have been watching Snow Piercer on TNT...How to freeze the Earth... :) .. O:) ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... O:)
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Re: 160th Anniversary of THE WAR BETWEEN THE STATES!!!

Postby jusplay4fun on Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:04 pm

I find the premise of Snow Piercer so RIDICULOUS. The ONLY technology thing left on earth is a TRAIN, running on tracks, that needs maintenance and fuel to run the train and Food delivered to it to feed ALL those people..??? REALLY? Hence I never watched the show.

What kept the War of Northern Aggression going so long was inept generals in the North and good Leaders and fighters in the South who beat superior odds, for a few years. Here is one good example, from Wikipedia:

The Battle of Chancellorsville was a major battle of the American Civil War (1861–1865), and the principal engagement of the Chancellorsville campaign.[13] It was fought from April 30 to May 6, 1863, in Spotsylvania County, Virginia, near the village of Chancellorsville. Two related battles were fought nearby on May 3 in the vicinity of Fredericksburg. The campaign pitted Union Army Maj. Gen. Joseph Hooker's Army of the Potomac against an army less than half its size, General Robert E. Lee's Confederate Army of Northern Virginia.

Chancellorsville is known as Lee's "perfect battle" because his risky decision to divide his army in the presence of a much larger enemy force resulted in a significant Confederate victory. The victory, a product of Lee's audacity and Hooker's timid decision-making, was tempered by heavy casualties, including Lt. Gen. Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson. Jackson was hit by friendly fire, requiring his left arm to be amputated. He died of pneumonia eight days later, a loss that Lee likened to losing his right arm.


I have not visited this battlefield, which is not too far from where I live in VA. I need to put this on my List of Places to Visit. I really enjoyed Gettysburg (PA), Petersburg (VA), Malvern Hill (VA), Pamplin Historical Park (VA), and other nearby Civil War sites.

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2dimes wrote:They should build a wall to keep you Mongols in the north. Don't you agree?



As it is you could just ride your bicycle down there anytime you feel like it and spray paint.

ConfederateSS wrote:-----------ThE :!: :!: :!: ...SOUTH...wILl......RiSe ...A...G...a....I...n.... O:) ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... O:)


On some of their buildings and newly erected BLM statues.


-------That would be bad for Biden's Go Green policy...Spray Paint would hurt the ozone layer...Then Bill Gates will really block out the SUN... :) ...Gates must have been watching Snow Piercer on TNT...How to freeze the Earth... :) .. O:) ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... O:)
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Re: 160th Anniversary of THE WAR BETWEEN THE STATES!!!

Postby ConfederateSS on Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:27 pm

jusplay4fun wrote:I find the premise of Snow Piercer so RIDICULOUS. The ONLY technology thing left on earth is a TRAIN, running on tracks, that needs maintenance and fuel to run the train and Food delivered to it to feed ALL those people..??? REALLY? Hence I never watched the show.

What kept the War of Northern Aggression going so long was inept generals in the North and good Leaders and fighters in the South who beat superior odds, for a few years. Here is one good example, from Wikipedia:

The Battle of Chancellorsville was a major battle of the American Civil War (1861–1865), and the principal engagement of the Chancellorsville campaign.[13] It was fought from April 30 to May 6, 1863, in Spotsylvania County, Virginia, near the village of Chancellorsville. Two related battles were fought nearby on May 3 in the vicinity of Fredericksburg. The campaign pitted Union Army Maj. Gen. Joseph Hooker's Army of the Potomac against an army less than half its size, General Robert E. Lee's Confederate Army of Northern Virginia.

Chancellorsville is known as Lee's "perfect battle" because his risky decision to divide his army in the presence of a much larger enemy force resulted in a significant Confederate victory. The victory, a product of Lee's audacity and Hooker's timid decision-making, was tempered by heavy casualties, including Lt. Gen. Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson. Jackson was hit by friendly fire, requiring his left arm to be amputated. He died of pneumonia eight days later, a loss that Lee likened to losing his right arm.


I have not visited this battlefield, which is not too far from where I live in VA. I need to put this on my List of Places to Visit. I really enjoyed Gettysburg (PA), Petersburg (VA), Malvern Hill (VA), Pamplin Historical Park (VA), and other nearby Civil War sites.

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2dimes wrote:They should build a wall to keep you Mongols in the north. Don't you agree?



As it is you could just ride your bicycle down there anytime you feel like it and spray paint.

ConfederateSS wrote:-----------ThE :!: :!: :!: ...SOUTH...wILl......RiSe ...A...G...a....I...n.... O:) ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... O:)


On some of their buildings and newly erected BLM statues.


-------That would be bad for Biden's Go Green policy...Spray Paint would hurt the ozone layer...Then Bill Gates will really block out the SUN... :) ...Gates must have been watching Snow Piercer on TNT...How to freeze the Earth... :) .. O:) ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... O:)


---------I tried to tell people...The High Command of The SOUTH was always outnumbered...But the beat the crap out of their Union Counterparts....Most of the times...The SOUTH faced double digit odds....In one battle ...Gen.MaClellan of the Union had 80,000 men,but he as always afraid to fight...Anyway..a Confederate Major(Theater actor)..was across a small river...If You saw the Fort/Building from the Union side....A wall surrounded the fort... except for an opening...through the opening was The Building,but a space between the wall and the building....The Major had only 5,000 men..So he made them March for hours around the Building...only being seen when they passed the opening...So The Union thought that was the Whole Confederate Army...So they didn't attack...By the next morning...50,000 Confederate Troops reinforced the Major...His quick thinking bought The SOUTH time....
---------As for the battle you speak of Where STONEWALL...was killed....He taught Blacks how to read and write at his Sunday school....when teaching Blacks was outlawed after the Turner Rebellion of 1831...The County Judge threatened Jackson...But left him alone...I think the Judge had a hand in STONEWALL being shot by his own troops ;) ...By mistake....Making STONEWALL one of the 1st Martyrs of Civil Rights....That is Why THE ATTACK ON HISTORY MUST STOP!....As I wrote in my thread of the same name... :D ...
... O:) ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... O:)
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Re: 160th Anniversary of THE WAR BETWEEN THE STATES!!!

Postby ConfederateSS on Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:40 pm

ConfederateSS wrote:
jusplay4fun wrote:I find the premise of Snow Piercer so RIDICULOUS. The ONLY technology thing left on earth is a TRAIN, running on tracks, that needs maintenance and fuel to run the train and Food delivered to it to feed ALL those people..??? REALLY? Hence I never watched the show.

What kept the War of Northern Aggression going so long was inept generals in the North and good Leaders and fighters in the South who beat superior odds, for a few years. Here is one good example, from Wikipedia:

The Battle of Chancellorsville was a major battle of the American Civil War (1861–1865), and the principal engagement of the Chancellorsville campaign.[13] It was fought from April 30 to May 6, 1863, in Spotsylvania County, Virginia, near the village of Chancellorsville. Two related battles were fought nearby on May 3 in the vicinity of Fredericksburg. The campaign pitted Union Army Maj. Gen. Joseph Hooker's Army of the Potomac against an army less than half its size, General Robert E. Lee's Confederate Army of Northern Virginia.

Chancellorsville is known as Lee's "perfect battle" because his risky decision to divide his army in the presence of a much larger enemy force resulted in a significant Confederate victory. The victory, a product of Lee's audacity and Hooker's timid decision-making, was tempered by heavy casualties, including Lt. Gen. Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson. Jackson was hit by friendly fire, requiring his left arm to be amputated. He died of pneumonia eight days later, a loss that Lee likened to losing his right arm.


I have not visited this battlefield, which is not too far from where I live in VA. I need to put this on my List of Places to Visit. I really enjoyed Gettysburg (PA), Petersburg (VA), Malvern Hill (VA), Pamplin Historical Park (VA), and other nearby Civil War sites.

ConfederateSS wrote:
2dimes wrote:They should build a wall to keep you Mongols in the north. Don't you agree?



As it is you could just ride your bicycle down there anytime you feel like it and spray paint.

ConfederateSS wrote:-----------ThE :!: :!: :!: ...SOUTH...wILl......RiSe ...A...G...a....I...n.... O:) ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... O:)


On some of their buildings and newly erected BLM statues.


-------That would be bad for Biden's Go Green policy...Spray Paint would hurt the ozone layer...Then Bill Gates will really block out the SUN... :) ...Gates must have been watching Snow Piercer on TNT...How to freeze the Earth... :) .. O:) ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... O:)


---------I tried to tell people...The High Command of The SOUTH was always outnumbered...But the beat the crap out of their Union Counterparts....Most of the times...The SOUTH faced double digit odds....In one battle ...Gen.MaClellan of the Union had 80,000 men,but he as always afraid to fight...Anyway..a Confederate Major(Theater actor)..was across a small river...If You saw the Fort/Building from the Union side....A wall surrounded the fort... except for an opening...through the opening was The Building,but a space between the wall and the building....The Major had only 5,000 men..So he made them March for hours around the Building...only being seen when they passed the opening...So The Union thought that was the Whole Confederate Army...So they didn't attack...By the next morning...50,000 Confederate Troops reinforced the Major...His quick thinking bought The SOUTH time....
---------As for the battle you speak of Where STONEWALL...was killed....He taught Blacks how to read and write at his Sunday school....when teaching Blacks was outlawed after the Turner Rebellion of 1831...The County Judge threatened Jackson...But left him alone...I think the Judge had a hand in STONEWALL being shot by his own troops ;) ...By mistake....Making STONEWALL one of the 1st Martyrs of Civil Rights....That is Why THE ATTACK ON HISTORY MUST STOP!....As I wrote in my thread of the same name... :D ...
... O:) ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... O:)
.....Now ....Why it matters...Jackson was a Rev. ,...As Dr.King Jr....STONEWALL taught Blacks how to read and write...One family he taught... Had a son...That Son opened his own Church...So it matters...because education matters...Think of how many people have gone through that Church...and started Churches of their own... 8-) 8-) 8-) ...
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Re: 160th Anniversary of THE WAR BETWEEN THE STATES!!!

Postby jusplay4fun on Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:59 am

I have found at least one source to validate what ConfSS says about General "Stonewell" Jackson educating slaves to read. (WDBJ is a local TV Station in Roanoke, VA.)

https://www.wdbj7.com/content/news/Stonewall-Jackson-window-memorialized-at-black-church-in-Virginia-443572693.html#:~:text=Stonewall%20Jackson%20was%20as%20a,them%20to%20read%20and%20write.%22

a few quotes from the online article:

General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson was one of the best-known commanders of the Confederate Army, and a Virginian.

So, it's not a big surprise that he's memorialized in a stained glass window at Roanoke's Fifth Avenue Presbyterian Church.

That is, until you meet its congregation.

The Stonewall Jackson window has been part of this black church for 125 years, surviving a fire in 1959 that took the rest of the church with it, CBS News correspondent Mo Rocca reports.

But third-generation member Joyce Bolden says the window is not about Jackson, the owner of slaves, but Jackson the lesser-known teacher of slaves -- including the parents of an early pastor.

"This was a monument to the future of the African-American race," Boldan said. "I believe it's being memorialized. Stonewall Jackson was as a human being and as a man of Christ, of faith. He defied all the laws of the South by educating his slaves. He taught them to read and write."

Reverend Vernie Bolden is Fifth Avenue's current pastor.

"The man fought for slavery," Vernie said. "That is the man. Can we separate the man from his military work?"

"We're having, once again, for whatever it is, the 17th time, a major racial reckoning in America," Yale Civil War historian David Blight said. "And we don't know exactly where this one's going."

A memorial landscape-turned-minefield is familiar terrain for Blight and Yale University.

"There was resistance to name changing among alumni, among some faculty staff," he said.

Earlier this year, the university renamed a dormitory dedicated to former Vice President John C. Calhoun, citing what it called Calhoun's "primary legacy" as one of the 19th century's most ardent defenders of slavery. But determining a historical figure's "primary legacy" is where things can get especially tricky.

Yale itself is named for a slave trader. So where is it appropriate to draw the line? Some warn against drawing lines at all.

Blight doesn't support the wholesale removal of Confederate monuments.

"I want to make it clear," Blight said. "I am for removal of some Confederate monuments. The time has come. Not all of them, not every single one of them, certainly not in cemeteries. I just want the process to be historical, deliberative and based on research."

"We need to remember this nation exists by the blood and the sacrifice and the courage of many, many men," Virginia Tech history professor emeritus James Robertson said. "Many guided correctly, many misguided."

Robertson isn't new to this debate. In 1961, President Kennedy tapped Robertson to lead the Civil War Centennial Commission.

"We need to learn from the mistakes others made, just as well as we need to be inspired by the good things that good people have done," Robertson said.

And he believes there was a lot of good in Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee.

"He is the most unobjectionable of all Confederate leaders," Robertson said. "But people forget that after the Civil War, Lee became the greatest voice for reconciliation in this country. He preached peace and harmony."

also:
https://www.thevintagenews.com/2017/05/02/confederate-general-stonewall-jackson-champion-of-african-american-literacy/

https://acwm.org/blog/myths-misunderstandings-stonewall-jacksons-sunday-school/

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jusplay4fun wrote:I find the premise of Snow Piercer so RIDICULOUS. The ONLY technology thing left on earth is a TRAIN, running on tracks, that needs maintenance and fuel to run the train and Food delivered to it to feed ALL those people..??? REALLY? Hence I never watched the show.

What kept the War of Northern Aggression going so long was inept generals in the North and good Leaders and fighters in the South who beat superior odds, for a few years. Here is one good example, from Wikipedia:

The Battle of Chancellorsville was a major battle of the American Civil War (1861–1865), and the principal engagement of the Chancellorsville campaign.[13] It was fought from April 30 to May 6, 1863, in Spotsylvania County, Virginia, near the village of Chancellorsville. Two related battles were fought nearby on May 3 in the vicinity of Fredericksburg. The campaign pitted Union Army Maj. Gen. Joseph Hooker's Army of the Potomac against an army less than half its size, General Robert E. Lee's Confederate Army of Northern Virginia.

Chancellorsville is known as Lee's "perfect battle" because his risky decision to divide his army in the presence of a much larger enemy force resulted in a significant Confederate victory. The victory, a product of Lee's audacity and Hooker's timid decision-making, was tempered by heavy casualties, including Lt. Gen. Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson. Jackson was hit by friendly fire, requiring his left arm to be amputated. He died of pneumonia eight days later, a loss that Lee likened to losing his right arm.


I have not visited this battlefield, which is not too far from where I live in VA. I need to put this on my List of Places to Visit. I really enjoyed Gettysburg (PA), Petersburg (VA), Malvern Hill (VA), Pamplin Historical Park (VA), and other nearby Civil War sites.

ConfederateSS wrote:
2dimes wrote:They should build a wall to keep you Mongols in the north. Don't you agree?



As it is you could just ride your bicycle down there anytime you feel like it and spray paint.

ConfederateSS wrote:-----------ThE :!: :!: :!: ...SOUTH...wILl......RiSe ...A...G...a....I...n.... O:) ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... O:)


On some of their buildings and newly erected BLM statues.


-------That would be bad for Biden's Go Green policy...Spray Paint would hurt the ozone layer...Then Bill Gates will really block out the SUN... :) ...Gates must have been watching Snow Piercer on TNT...How to freeze the Earth... :) .. O:) ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... O:)


---------I tried to tell people...The High Command of The SOUTH was always outnumbered...But the beat the crap out of their Union Counterparts....Most of the times...The SOUTH faced double digit odds....In one battle ...Gen.MaClellan of the Union had 80,000 men,but he as always afraid to fight...Anyway..a Confederate Major(Theater actor)..was across a small river...If You saw the Fort/Building from the Union side....A wall surrounded the fort... except for an opening...through the opening was The Building,but a space between the wall and the building....The Major had only 5,000 men..So he made them March for hours around the Building...only being seen when they passed the opening...So The Union thought that was the Whole Confederate Army...So they didn't attack...By the next morning...50,000 Confederate Troops reinforced the Major...His quick thinking bought The SOUTH time....
---------As for the battle you speak of Where STONEWALL...was killed....He taught Blacks how to read and write at his Sunday school....when teaching Blacks was outlawed after the Turner Rebellion of 1831...The County Judge threatened Jackson...But left him alone...I think the Judge had a hand in STONEWALL being shot by his own troops ;) ...By mistake....Making STONEWALL one of the 1st Martyrs of Civil Rights....That is Why THE ATTACK ON HISTORY MUST STOP!....As I wrote in my thread of the same name... :D ...
... O:) ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... O:)
.....Now ....Why it matters...Jackson was a Rev. ,...As Dr.King Jr....STONEWALL taught Blacks how to read and write...One family he taught... Had a son...That Son opened his own Church...So it matters...because education matters...Think of how many people have gone through that Church...and started Churches of their own... 8-) 8-) 8-) ...
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Re: 160th Anniversary of THE WAR BETWEEN THE STATES!!!

Postby riskllama on Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:02 am

multi check, pls.
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Re: 160th Anniversary of THE WAR BETWEEN THE STATES!!!

Postby jusplay4fun on Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:14 pm

Is that your best or ONLY refutation, R-Llama?

IF you cannot negate the argument made, attack the messenger. I thought you are smarter than THAT, Llama. You disappoint me.

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Re: 160th Anniversary of THE WAR BETWEEN THE STATES!!!

Postby ConfederateSS on Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:44 pm

--------------The Church was was rebuilt twice.....But the Stain glass window from the 1st time the church was built...Is still in it....It has STONEWALL's last words on it..."Let us cross the river and rest in the shade of the trees..... O:) ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... O:) ....
.......Rev. Lylburn Liggins Downing ...Church 1895....
----------''-----In 1906 ,long after STONEWALL'S death,Rev. L.L.Downing,whose parents had been slaves in STONEWALL's Sunday school, raised money to have a Memorial Stain glass window dedicated to STONEWALL...in Fifth Avenue Presbyterian Church of Roanoke,Virginia...Likely making STONEWALL, the only Confederate General to have a Memorial in an African American Church...Which is located at ...301 Patton Ave,Roanoke , Virginia...The Street was Fifth Ave. Before WW2...Renamed for George S.Patton...Who's grandfather was LEE's aide...during THE WAR BETWEEN THE STATES....
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