ACLU Has Priorities Straight?

[Dukasaur]

I don't think most people accept this as fair.

Yet our politicians force these policies and we all do nothing.

I don't know how true that is.

Most sporting organizations are at least theoretically independent. Obviously, in praxis they are somewhat vulnerable to political interference, but I'll admit I don't know exactly how much. But I suppose most of us don't care very much unless we're actually involved in sport. We have bigger issues over which to hate our governments.

[2dimes]

Whoa, you've got twenty one year olds in their first year of high school in California?
Regardless of gender they must be dominating the 14 year olds.

?

The boy, now named Athena, is a Junior in High School… not 21.

Not sure where you see that… but I will admit I just posted any random article that referenced this new story.
If the article has a typo I didn’t notice.

Oh, someone must have bought the Budlight for her.

[jimboston]

I don't think most people accept this as fair.

Yet our politicians force these policies and we all do nothing.

I don't know how true that is.

Most sporting organizations are at least theoretically independent. Obviously, in praxis they are somewhat vulnerable to political interference, but I'll admit I don't know exactly how much. But I suppose most of us don't care very much unless we're actually involved in sport. We have bigger issues over which to hate our governments.

In some states, state legislators are passing rules that require high-school athletics to allow trans players to compete in the sport they “identify” as.

[jimboston]

Whoa, you've got twenty one year olds in their first year of high school in California?
Regardless of gender they must be dominating the 14 year olds.

?

The boy, now named Athena, is a Junior in High School… not 21.

Not sure where you see that… but I will admit I just posted any random article that referenced this new story.
If the article has a typo I didn’t notice.

Oh, someone must have bought the Budlight for her.

[Doc_Brown]

Whoa, you've got twenty one year olds in their first year of high school in California?
Regardless of gender they must be dominating the 14 year olds.

?

The boy, now named Athena, is a Junior in High School… not 21.

Not sure where you see that… but I will admit I just posted any random article that referenced this new story.
If the article has a typo I didn’t notice.

Oh, someone must have bought the Budlight for her.

[2dimes]

Hawt.

[jimboston]

https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world ... speaks-out

[GaryDenton]

Republicans don't have actual policies people support so they fan hate and prejudice and rile up their ignorant supporters.

Transgender and non-binary people, in particular trans and non-binary student-athletes, are under attack by politicians at all levels of government, as well as in the media. 2021 officially surpassed 2015 as the worst year for anti-LGBTQ+ legislation in recent history, with 27 anti-LGBTQ bills enacted. 2023 looks to be continuing this trend, with the first weeks of the year seeing anti-LGBTQ+ bills under consideration in state legislatures across the country. More than 55 directly target transgender girls and women in sports and would prevent them from playing on the team that aligns with their gender identity.

Supporting hatred against one of the world's smallest minorities is just sick. But Republicans don't have sensible policies people support and show little aptitude in actual governance.

These attacks on transgender youth generally are fueled by discrimination, not facts. These bills represent a cruel effort to further stigmatize and discriminate against LGBTQ+ people across the country, specifically, trans youth who simply want to live as their true selves and grow into who they are. After failing to prohibit trans and non-binary people’s access to restrooms, legislators have pivoted to using misinformation about sports as the next way to score political points.

[GaryDenton]

Twenty states, the IOC, and the NCAA have allowed trans athletes to play sports for decades, with no problems. But then influential GOP groups saw this as a way to raise money and followers claiming "normal" youth are victims.

[bigtoughralf]

tbf World Athletics and a bunch of national federations have banned people born with peeps from competing in women's sports, so it's not like US politicians are the only people taking that sort of stance

[jimboston]

I don’t hate transpeople. I feel sorry for them. So if (as an adult) a person with gender dysphoria decides he/she wants to;
1) play dress up as a member of the opposite sex
2) take drugs that f*ck up his/her natural hormone system
3) mutilate his/her body to mimic the look of the opposite sex

I am perfectly fine with any of this.

I will even call a transperson he or she if they identify and present as such.
I am even (mostly) OK with a fully transitioned person using the bathroom of the opposite sex.

Trying to claim that this means I (or anyone with my views) “hates” transpeople is ridiculous and extreme and inaccurate.
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I am not cool with the extreme agenda of the Left as it relates to “Trans Movement”.

Your rights as a human end where they impact me or my family or other people in my community.

Therefore….

*I will not call a transperson “they” because that MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE and offends my understanding of the English language.
A person is a singular entity, not a plural entity… even if that person thinks he/she has a “non-conforming” or “non-binary” identity.
That human is still just ONE person.

*I will not go along with other “pronouns” as they are all made up bullshit that make no sense.

*I don’t like the “normalization” of transness. Gender Dysmorphia is a serious mental condition. It is NOT normal. I don’t think we should push trans-positive books in grammar school. I don’t think we should promote “Drag-Queen StoryTime” or other drag shows to young children. I have seen videos of these shows on Youtube that were promoted as being OK for kids and they are weird and hyper-sexualized. (I think this country hyper-sexualizes a lof of stuff… so my complaint her is not only with the trans shows… but in this context that is what we are discussing.)

*A biological male has no “RIGHT” to play sports as a female. When a biological male plays sports as a female HE is now impeding on the rights of the women and/or girls he is competing with. Not only is this unfair but it is also unsafe.

*A biological male has no “RIGHT’ to automatic entry into female prisons or other female safe-spaces (like women’s shelters). I believe that there are times when it might make sense to put a trans-woman in a female prison or allow a trans-woman into a Women’s Shelter… but this should NOT be the default and should be on a case by case basis. There HAVE BEEN cases were men proclaiming identity as a women have been put i. these places and have committed rape. Automatic acceptance impedes on the rights of women.

Claiming that any of these positions means I “hate” transpeople is false. I will not go out of my way to offend or assault trans-people. On an individual basis I am perfectly fine to “Live and Let Live”… but when you push your agenda and impede on my rights or the rights of my family and community then YOU have crossed the line. Not me.

[2dimes]

Aight, let's grab some Bud Lights no wrap this one up.

[jimboston]

Aight, let's grab some Bud Lights no wrap this one up.

Bud Light decided to step into this cultural minefield and decided to promote “Transness” as a positive thing. As I stated I don’t believe Gender Dysphoria is “normal”. It is a serious mental condition… like depression or bulimia. We don’t tell young kids who are depressed and who are cutting themselves that this is “normal”. We don’t promote this as a “good thing”. We bring these kids to psychologists and hope that they can work through their issues. Often they are given drugs… probably too often IMHO… but the drugs are not given to normalize or support their negative views, the drugs are given to make them feel better. Whereas with Trans the current standard is to give drugs that support a biological fallacy.

I have every right as a consumer to choose which companies I support and which I don’t. I have every right as an American to voice my opinions about why I feel we should or should not support a particular company. I don’t think we should support companies that promote this agenda which (IMHO) is fucking up a generation of kids who are already dealing with stuff we’venever had to deal with. (i.e. Covid be Social Media no the intersection of these two things)

[jimboston]

Is Target next…

https://www.barrons.com/articles/target ... t-c90448af

[2dimes]

I didn't click but is that about their restroom policy announced several years ago?

Maybe DoomYoshi could find the threads about that. The search function doesn't go back that far anymore.

[mookiemcgee]

Just to put a point on how my opinion is nuanced and not a regarded parroting of fox news brainwashing like Jim aka chicken little. Protesting Target as a means of showcasing your hate towards gender issues you don't understand/can't relate to ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE, and may ACTUALLY MOVE THE NEEDLE.

Protesting Bud Light is different because as I've been pointing out this whole thread they don't actually contribute meaningfully to the 'Trans Movement'. They very simply did targeted (non-mass) marketing.

Target on the other hand DOES do mass marketing (mostly towards LBGT not trans but I know Jim's hate is broad enough to lump groups together) towards these communities. Target actually does do much of the stuff Jim has spent so much mind numbing time accusing bud light of. Mainly because Target has a really really good business reason for doing it. Their ability to gain marketshare has actually played out over the last 10 years. Much of this is due to the specific environment of their comp set with their biggest US competitor Walmart reliably not being a 'comfortable' place for LBGT people to shop, with owners who've been contributing politically against their 'agenda' for decades.

tl/dr - boycotting target makes sense and isn't as entirely braindead as boycotting bud light, though all of this corporations are 'normalizing' things I don't like by advertising to people I don't like is still regarded and conflates things that have nothing to do with each other like 'gender in sports' with 'allowing people to buy products if they are like me'.

[jimboston]

I didn't click but is that about their restroom policy announced several years ago?

Maybe DoomYoshi could find the threads about that. The search function doesn't go back that far anymore.

No.

It’s about Target creating a whole “Pride” section and pushing the TransNarrative.

They are selling “tuck” swimsuits… so little boys can tuck their wee-wee and balls and present as feminine.

[bigtoughralf]

They are selling “tuck” swimsuits… so little boys can tuck their wee-wee and balls and present as feminine.

That's pretty hot tbf

[jimboston]

Just to put a point on how my opinion is nuanced and not a regarded parroting of fox news brainwashing like Jim aka chicken little. Protesting Target as a means of showcasing your hate towards gender issues you don't understand/can't relate to ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE, and may ACTUALLY MOVE THE NEEDLE.

Protesting Bud Light is different because as I've been pointing out this whole thread they don't actually contribute meaningfully to the 'Trans Movement'. They very simply did targeted (non-mass) marketing.

Target on the other hand DOES do mass marketing (mostly towards LBGT not trans but I know Jim's hate is broad enough to lump groups together) towards these communities. Target actually does do much of the stuff Jim has spent so much mind numbing time accusing bud light of. Mainly because Target has a really really good business reason for doing it. Their ability to gain marketshare has actually played out over the last 10 years. Much of this is due to the specific environment of their comp set with their biggest US competitor Walmart reliably not being a 'comfortable' place for LBGT people to shop, with owners who've been contributing politically against their 'agenda' for decades.

tl/dr - boycotting target makes sense and isn't as entirely braindead as boycotting bud light, though all of this corporations are 'normalizing' things I don't like by advertising to people I don't like is still regarded and conflates things that have nothing to do with each other like 'gender in sports' with 'allowing people to buy products if they are like me'.

The Pro-Trans-Agenda has conflated LGB rights and goals with their own and many LGB people have gone along with this… though in many ways they are at odds. I do agree that many bigots are both anti-Trans and anti-Gay. I am neither. I have no problem with gay people getting married. (Though I don’t think they should be able to force small business owners to bake them cakes if said cakes go against their religion convictions. There’s some room for nuance there.)

I don’t mind some rainbow signs or flags… but selling and marketing trans-affirming “tuck” bathing suits to little boys is crossing a line IMHO.
So yeah… I won’t be going to Target in June and J have sent Target an email confirming this. I am a Rewards member, so they will see how much I typically spend there and they can take that (along with the actions of other sane individuals) and choose to continue to push this agenda or not.

Dylan Mulvaney may not be “Mass Market” but he’s not fringe either. He’s been to the White House. He’s promoted Ultra, and Nike, and Maybelline… he’s all over TokTik / InstaSnap (yes I did that on purpose). My daughters know who he is from his videos, and though they don’t follow him they recognized his face when I asked. They just think he’s funny and flamboyant… they don’t see the insidious part.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dylan_Mulvaney

He has over 1.8 million followers on Instagram. The fact that these major corporations are willing to shell out big money to him to demonstrate that he’s not “fringe”. The fact that his video has created this uproar is evidence that he’s not fringe. If he wasn’t able to “move the dial meaningfully” corporations wouldn’t shell out the money and we would not know who he is.

[jimboston]

They are selling “tuck” swimsuits… so little boys can tuck their wee-wee and balls and present as feminine.

That's pretty hot tbf

Your trolling won’t work on me here.

[mookiemcgee]

They are selling “tuck” swimsuits… so little boys can tuck their wee-wee and balls and present as feminine.

That's pretty hot tbf

Jim is just upset because seeing the bump when they can't tuck turns him on and target is ruining that.

[jimboston]

They are selling “tuck” swimsuits… so little boys can tuck their wee-wee and balls and present as feminine.

That's pretty hot tbf

Jim is just upset because seeing the bump when they can't tuck turns him on and target is ruining that.

Jim doesn’t look at the crotches of young boys or girls. How do you know what pubescent boy’s crotch area looks like?

[Dukasaur]

I know nothing about all this boycotting nonsense. But I'm glad I sold my share of Target at a profit before this started.

[mookiemcgee]

They are selling “tuck” swimsuits… so little boys can tuck their wee-wee and balls and present as feminine.

That's pretty hot tbf

Jim is just upset because seeing the bump when they can't tuck turns him on and target is ruining that.

Jim doesn’t look at the crotches of young boys or girls. How do you know what pubescent boy’s crotch area looks like?

Because I was one and looked in the mirror when i was a kid?

Jim, do you boycott Ford and other american car companies? They market their cars in communist china, and you've previously explained your distain for the CCP.

Ford is 'normalizing' communism through it's advertising and sales in China, so you must be up in arms about that right?

I'm sure you don't buy Nestle products as they operate factories and sell/advertise their products in Mexico which 'normalizes' all the problems at the border. It's all part of the woke liberal agenda trying to endanger your children and make America less safe.

[Maxleod]

Jim, do you boycott Ford and other american car companies? They market their cars in communist china, and you've previously explained your distain for the CCP.

Ford is 'normalizing' communism through it's advertising and sales in China, so you must be up in arms about that right?

I boycott Ford and other American car companies, but not for political reasons. American cars are garbage. If I want to buy a car I'll go for German. Or Japanese.