Democrats continue the Crises over Illegal Immigration

[mookiemcgee]

[jusplay4fun]

Dems' Tears are for the wrong victims.

[Dukasaur]

JP4, I really hope you never have a chance to find out how wrong you are.

I hope you never get wrongfully accused of a crime, and dragged off to the cells without an opportunity to prove your innocence in court.

I think you would find it's one of the most horrible things there is, but I sincerely hope you continue to live your life in your ignorant bliss and never have a chance to really find out.

[jusplay4fun]

JP4, I really hope you never have a chance to find out how wrong you are.

I hope you never get wrongfully accused of a crime, and dragged off to the cells without an opportunity to prove your innocence in court.

I think you would find it's one of the most horrible things there is, but I sincerely hope you continue to live your life in your ignorant bliss and never have a chance to really find out.

First, wrong about WHAT? Your implication, it seems, is based on IF I were an illegal immigrant. I am NOT.

Is prison HORRIBLE? NO Doubt.

Ignorant Bliss? NO.

Accused? No.

Do I want to go to prison or jail? NO.

I do things to serve God, serve my fellow man, and have NO intention of doing things that will result in me being

dragged off to the cells

Do you have any experience there, Duk?

Okay, I confess, I did get TWO speeding tickets in my life. And I did serve on TWO juries.

And IF I were accused, I will seek Due Process, and will be sure to hire a good lawyer. BTW: I have taught several lawyers, so I think I know which ones to hire.

Is Trump threatening to round up legal US Citizens and will then have them

dragged off to the cells

without Due Process? NO. If that is what you are implying, that is simply fear-mongering. I expect you to not sink to THAT sewer level of other frequent posters.

[mookiemcgee]

OMG McPope Trump is MS-13 too!!!! Any claims that it's photoshopped are wrong, I don't need any proof because I use Maga logic!

[Dukasaur]

JP4, I really hope you never have a chance to find out how wrong you are.

I hope you never get wrongfully accused of a crime, and dragged off to the cells without an opportunity to prove your innocence in court.

I think you would find it's one of the most horrible things there is, but I sincerely hope you continue to live your life in your ignorant bliss and never have a chance to really find out.

First, wrong about WHAT? Your implication, it seems, is based on IF I were an illegal immigrant. I am NOT.

The whole point is, that if you don't get your day in court, YOU WON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO PROVE THAT.

Maybe you're a lawful citizen. Maybe you're not. If your accuser's word is sufficient, without any need of proof what does it matter? I accuse you of being an illegal, on go the handcuffs, on goes the hood, into the plane you go, and it's off to the jungles of Rwanda with you! Have fun screaming to the Delanymyinae that you're a born American citizen. You have rights, you know!

I do things to serve God, serve my fellow man, and have NO intention of doing things that will result in me being

dragged off to the cells

What makes you so sure? If people are deported without a trial, you're descending to the level of Stalinist Russia, or 1693 Massachusetts. If the unsupported word of an ICE agent, untested in court, is sufficient to get a man deported, why shouldn't the unsupported word of a police informant be sufficient to toss you in jail for life? If trials are a thing of the past, maybe we go straight to lynching. Your neighbour is jealous that your rosebushes are brighter than his, so he accuses you of being a pedophile, and next thing you know a vigilante committee is throwing a rope around your neck.

You may say that's an extreme view, but once you allow people to be labelled as "gang members" without any evidence or trial, you're only a few small steps away from letting people be labelled "drug dealers" without any evidence or trial, or "traitors" without any evidence or trial, or "paedophiles" without any evidence or trial.

The battle for due process has to be fought every step of the way. You've already lost the first battle, letting your country send suspects to Guantanamo without trial. Now, you're sending a much larger cohort to El Salvador's version of Guantanamo, and there's already talk of Rwanda being the next step. If you're not careful, you're going to lose this war very quickly, and have mass disappearances in the middle of the night.

Do you have any experience there, Duk?

Lol, cute, but no. I have been arrested a few times, but I did avoid jail time on all those occassions. Luckily, our legal system was working as designed and I did have my day(s) in court.

And IF I were accused, I will seek Due Process, and will be sure to hire a good lawyer. BTW: I have taught several lawyers, so I think I know which ones to hire.

Precisely the point. If you don't get a hearing, your good lawyer won't mean shit. Some of the people currently at CECOT thought they had good lawyers, too.

Is Trump threatening to round up legal US Citizens and will then have them

dragged off to the cells

without Due Process? NO. If that is what you are implying, that is simply fear-mongering. I expect you to not sink to THAT sewer level of other frequent posters.

He has already talked about that.
https://www.npr.org/2025/04/16/nx-s1-5366178/trump-deport-jail-u-s-citizens-homegrowns-el-salvador

President Trump says his administration is actively exploring a proposal to detain U.S. citizens and send them to prisons in El Salvador. Speaking Monday, minutes before a press briefing alongside El Salvador's president, Nayib Bukele, Trump could be heard embracing the concept.

"The homegrowns are next, the homegrowns. You've got to build about five more places," Trump said to Bukele, an apparent reference to prison space that would be needed in El Salvador to house U.S. citizens.

Of course he later said he was just joking. A familiar refrain when people send up a trial balloon. "Don't get excited, it was only a joke!" Until it isn't.

[jusplay4fun]

Duk's entire argument is based on a hypothetical that has not happened, and will NOT happen because we are a nation of Laws and NOT of men. AND Trump CANNOT run for a third elected term. AND he is almost as old as Biden.

After thinking about my post, and proofing it further, I decided it was better to let everyone (interested enough) to read Duk's entire post, rather than me quote a few key phrases ONLY.

[jusplay4fun]

JP4, I really hope you never have a chance to find out how wrong you are.

I hope you never get wrongfully accused of a crime, and dragged off to the cells without an opportunity to prove your innocence in court.

I think you would find it's one of the most horrible things there is, but I sincerely hope you continue to live your life in your ignorant bliss and never have a chance to really find out.

First, wrong about WHAT? Your implication, it seems, is based on IF I were an illegal immigrant. I am NOT.

The whole point is, that if you don't get your day in court, YOU WON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO PROVE THAT.

Maybe you're a lawful citizen. Maybe you're not. If your accuser's word is sufficient, without any need of proof what does it matter? I accuse you of being an illegal, on go the handcuffs, on goes the hood, into the plane you go, and it's off to the jungles of Rwanda with you! Have fun screaming to the Delanymyinae that you're a born American citizen. You have rights, you know!

I do things to serve God, serve my fellow man, and have NO intention of doing things that will result in me being

dragged off to the cells

What makes you so sure? If people are deported without a trial, you're descending to the level of Stalinist Russia, or 1693 Massachusetts. If the unsupported word of an ICE agent, untested in court, is sufficient to get a man deported, why shouldn't the unsupported word of a police informant be sufficient to toss you in jail for life? If trials are a thing of the past, maybe we go straight to lynching. Your neighbour is jealous that your rosebushes are brighter than his, so he accuses you of being a pedophile, and next thing you know a vigilante committee is throwing a rope around your neck.

You may say that's an extreme view, but once you allow people to be labelled as "gang members" without any evidence or trial, you're only a few small steps away from letting people be labelled "drug dealers" without any evidence or trial, or "traitors" without any evidence or trial, or "paedophiles" without any evidence or trial.

The battle for due process has to be fought every step of the way. You've already lost the first battle, letting your country send suspects to Guantanamo without trial. Now, you're sending a much larger cohort to El Salvador's version of Guantanamo, and there's already talk of Rwanda being the next step. If you're not careful, you're going to lose this war very quickly, and have mass disappearances in the middle of the night.

Do you have any experience there, Duk?

Lol, cute, but no. I have been arrested a few times, but I did avoid jail time on all those occassions. Luckily, our legal system was working as designed and I did have my day(s) in court.

And IF I were accused, I will seek Due Process, and will be sure to hire a good lawyer. BTW: I have taught several lawyers, so I think I know which ones to hire.

Precisely the point. If you don't get a hearing, your good lawyer won't mean shit. Some of the people currently at CECOT thought they had good lawyers, too.

Is Trump threatening to round up legal US Citizens and will then have them

dragged off to the cells

without Due Process? NO. If that is what you are implying, that is simply fear-mongering. I expect you to not sink to THAT sewer level of other frequent posters.

He has already talked about that.
https://www.npr.org/2025/04/16/nx-s1-5366178/trump-deport-jail-u-s-citizens-homegrowns-el-salvador

President Trump says his administration is actively exploring a proposal to detain U.S. citizens and send them to prisons in El Salvador. Speaking Monday, minutes before a press briefing alongside El Salvador's president, Nayib Bukele, Trump could be heard embracing the concept.

"The homegrowns are next, the homegrowns. You've got to build about five more places," Trump said to Bukele, an apparent reference to prison space that would be needed in El Salvador to house U.S. citizens.

Of course he later said he was just joking. A familiar refrain when people send up a trial balloon. "Don't get excited, it was only a joke!" Until it isn't.

Duk's entire argument is based on a hypothetical that has not happened, and will NOT happen because we are a nation of Laws and NOT of men. AND Trump CANNOT run for a third elected term. AND he is almost as old as Biden.

But, Trump has:

1) more energy now than Biden has had in the past 30 40 years, and

2) has better ideas, and

3) has better policies, and

4) more common sense than most Democrats, especially more than Biden, Kamala, Gavin, Corey and Hakeem.

Duk said:

maybe we go straight to lynching.

Are you SERIOUS? talk about hyperbole. As I said, Duk's argument is based on a hypothetical, and HYPERBOLE, too.

You need a better argument, Duk. And what immigrant was lynched? Oh, did I miss that one?

We are not living in the past, Duk. We are not in Stalinist Russia nor in Salem (1693 Massachusetts).

cute,

Perhaps, but I was perspicacious enough to figure out that you had experience with the Legal System (Canada or US?) to speak from a personal perspective.

and

Delanymyinae

Do you mean pee-rat's family?

You are really descending now into the lower depths there, Duk, in that entire post.

I think Duk has had too many nightmares about the Big Evil Orange Man.

[Pack Rat]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTjAFm12W/

[mookiemcgee]

Duk's entire argument is based on a hypothetical that has not happened, and will NOT happen because we are a nation of Laws and NOT of men.

Except that Trump is actively dropping bread crumbs that he plans to suspend habeas corpus and ignore the constitution and the law, and apparently the right wing cartoonists you get your news from aren't covering that.

https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1 ... ked_about/

It's never been about dems supporting MS-13, it's always been about Trump attacking the courts and the constitution.

[jimboston]

OK… so it’s been several weeks since Trump was ordered by a Judge to “Facilitate” the return of Abrego Garcia.

Please tell me what he has done to “facilitate” the return as ordered?

We all KNOW that if Trump just asked the El Salvadoran president to send him back, the guy would do so immediately.
Any claim that he can’t is 100% BS.

i think the first step in “facilitating” a return would be asking for him to be sent back.

I 100% can believe that the guy should be legally deported… IDK, but I can believe this is a legal possibility.
I can definitely be convinced this particular guy doesn’t “deserve” to stay here, and is a low-life.

That’s all MOOT. A judge has determined he needs a fair hearing… the Supreme Court had the option to override this but they just requested the language of the order be amended slightly. Now Trump (via the Justice Dept.) is defying a legal court order.

You have YET to address this.

[jusplay4fun]

Duk's entire argument is based on a hypothetical that has not happened, and will NOT happen because we are a nation of Laws and NOT of men.

Except that Trump is actively dropping bread crumbs that he plans to suspend habeas corpus and ignore the constitution and the law, and apparently the right wing cartoonists you get your news from aren't covering that.

https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1 ... ked_about/

It's never been about dems supporting MS-13, it's always been about Trump attacking the courts and the constitution.

Any such attempt to

suspend habeas corpus and ignore the constitution and the law

will and should be met with all effort. Some efforts NOW are being litigated in the Courts by Democrats. If Trump WERE to cross the line against LEGAL US Citizens, I think that we will see a HUGE outcry, and that would not be limited to mostly Democrats. We have in place in the US a set of checks and balances. I have confidence that the Constitution and OUR system will keep Trump in check, as intended, IF NEEDED.

I DO support Due Process, despite what some imply.

I heard sound bites today from the Trump interview on Meet The Press on NBC. I was bothered by Trump's rather casual response about Due Process. As President, he should be MORE committed to and more aware of the Fifth Amendment in the Bill or Rights. While we are there, Trump should familiarize himself with the Fourteenth Amendment, too.

I heard President Trump say that he has NO plans to try to circumvent the US Constitution to run for a THIRD elected term; Trump knows his time is limited and THIS time is when to do what he can to correct errors of past bad policies.
https://www.axios.com/2025/05/04/trump-economy-tariffs-canada

That should answer many concerns about me of those who have tried to disparage President Trump. Do I have a concern that Trump may TRY to go TOO far? Of course I am. I am NOT blind to Trump's legal history nor his recent trials and cases.

I am also bothered by his AI image as Pope; IF he generated that image, likely by an aide, then I think that POINTS to his HUGE Ego. I know he cannot be elected Pope and anyone with a modicum of sense understands that point. SO it is indeed a JOKE, as far as I and most others are concerned. I find it a BAD JOKE and in BAD taste; TYPICAL TRUMP, the Egotist.
https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/trump-ai-photo-pope-cardinal-dolan-response/

Although I have legitimate concerns about Trump going too far legally and trying to be above the Law in many ways, I am confident that Trump will uphold Due Process and the Constitution.

I am not a MAGA supporter ALL in for Trump. I understand that Trump has many faults and many issues. I do not blindly follow all of Trump's ideas. PERIOD.

[jusplay4fun]

Here is an example of the violent gang members that Trump is trying to keep out of this country.

Virginia prison guards injured in 'premeditated' attack by MS-13 members, officials say

Five guards were injured in an apparent "premeditated" attack by inmates affiliated with the MS-13 and Sureño 13 gangs at a Virginia prison, state corrections officials said.

The attack occurred at about 9:45 a.m. on May 2 at the Wallens Ridge State Prison, a super-maximum security prison located in Big Stone Gap, a remote town in southwest Virginia, according to the state Department of Corrections. Five guards were injured in the incident, including three who were stabbed, and were transported for outside medical treatment. (...)

The agency described the incident as a "premeditated stabbing" targeting three corrections officers. Six of the inmates involved in the attack had all been convicted of violent crimes including aggravated murder, first and second degree murder, and rape, according to the agency.

The agency said five of the six inmates were "confirmed MS-13 gang members from El Salvador," who were in the United States unlawfully. The other inmate involved in the attack was a U.S. citizen and confirmed member of the Sureño 13 gang.

"Five of the individuals responsible for this senseless attack should never have been in this country in the first place," Virginia Department of Corrections Director Chad Dotson said in a statement. "Every single day, our officers put their lives on the line to ensure public safety for the more than 8.8 million people across the Commonwealth. This attack is an example of the dangers they face when they show up to work every day."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/05/04/virginia-prison-la-mara-salvatrucha-attack/83447260007/

And liberal Dems, including liberal judges, continue to support such violent criminals.

[jimboston]

Here is an example of the violent gang members that Trump is trying to keep out of this country.

Virginia prison guards injured in 'premeditated' attack by MS-13 members, officials say

Five guards were injured in an apparent "premeditated" attack by inmates affiliated with the MS-13 and Sureño 13 gangs at a Virginia prison, state corrections officials said.

The attack occurred at about 9:45 a.m. on May 2 at the Wallens Ridge State Prison, a super-maximum security prison located in Big Stone Gap, a remote town in southwest Virginia, according to the state Department of Corrections. Five guards were injured in the incident, including three who were stabbed, and were transported for outside medical treatment. (...)

The agency described the incident as a "premeditated stabbing" targeting three corrections officers. Six of the inmates involved in the attack had all been convicted of violent crimes including aggravated murder, first and second degree murder, and rape, according to the agency.

The agency said five of the six inmates were "confirmed MS-13 gang members from El Salvador," who were in the United States unlawfully. The other inmate involved in the attack was a U.S. citizen and confirmed member of the Sureño 13 gang.

"Five of the individuals responsible for this senseless attack should never have been in this country in the first place," Virginia Department of Corrections Director Chad Dotson said in a statement. "Every single day, our officers put their lives on the line to ensure public safety for the more than 8.8 million people across the Commonwealth. This attack is an example of the dangers they face when they show up to work every day."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/05/04/virginia-prison-la-mara-salvatrucha-attack/83447260007/

And liberal Dems, including liberal judges, continue to support such violent criminals.

Deport these convicted criminals… I’m fine with that.
Just given then due process and send them to El Salvador.

Why are we keeping them in prison here? It costs more.. seems like Trump would do better sending these people back. At least this before worrying about many non-violent students and others that have no record. No?

You have an “open mind” JP?

OK… watch this and assess.
https://youtu.be/F2hN3JKZ-Go?si=yC11v7Co-ZJCsaps

Clearly this has a liberal bias, but it also points out a lot of obvious idiocy of the Trump Admin.

[Pack Rat]

Here is an example of the violent gang members that Trump is trying to keep out of this country.

Virginia prison guards injured in 'premeditated' attack by MS-13 members, officials say

Five guards were injured in an apparent "premeditated" attack by inmates affiliated with the MS-13 and Sureño 13 gangs at a Virginia prison, state corrections officials said.

The attack occurred at about 9:45 a.m. on May 2 at the Wallens Ridge State Prison, a super-maximum security prison located in Big Stone Gap, a remote town in southwest Virginia, according to the state Department of Corrections. Five guards were injured in the incident, including three who were stabbed, and were transported for outside medical treatment. (...)

The agency described the incident as a "premeditated stabbing" targeting three corrections officers. Six of the inmates involved in the attack had all been convicted of violent crimes including aggravated murder, first and second degree murder, and rape, according to the agency.

The agency said five of the six inmates were "confirmed MS-13 gang members from El Salvador," who were in the United States unlawfully. The other inmate involved in the attack was a U.S. citizen and confirmed member of the Sureño 13 gang.

"Five of the individuals responsible for this senseless attack should never have been in this country in the first place," Virginia Department of Corrections Director Chad Dotson said in a statement. "Every single day, our officers put their lives on the line to ensure public safety for the more than 8.8 million people across the Commonwealth. This attack is an example of the dangers they face when they show up to work every day."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/05/04/virginia-prison-la-mara-salvatrucha-attack/83447260007/

And liberal Dems, including liberal judges, continue to support such violent criminals.

...and the MAGA give pardons for over 1000s fascists who beat and tortured hundreds of DC police.

We should deport these treasonous pigs to El Salvador!

[SoN!c]

Here is an example of the violent gang members that Trump is trying to keep out of this country.

Virginia prison guards injured in 'premeditated' attack by MS-13 members, officials say

Five guards were injured in an apparent "premeditated" attack by inmates affiliated with the MS-13 and Sureño 13 gangs at a Virginia prison, state corrections officials said.

The attack occurred at about 9:45 a.m. on May 2 at the Wallens Ridge State Prison, a super-maximum security prison located in Big Stone Gap, a remote town in southwest Virginia, according to the state Department of Corrections. Five guards were injured in the incident, including three who were stabbed, and were transported for outside medical treatment. (...)

The agency described the incident as a "premeditated stabbing" targeting three corrections officers. Six of the inmates involved in the attack had all been convicted of violent crimes including aggravated murder, first and second degree murder, and rape, according to the agency.

The agency said five of the six inmates were "confirmed MS-13 gang members from El Salvador," who were in the United States unlawfully. The other inmate involved in the attack was a U.S. citizen and confirmed member of the Sureño 13 gang.

"Five of the individuals responsible for this senseless attack should never have been in this country in the first place," Virginia Department of Corrections Director Chad Dotson said in a statement. "Every single day, our officers put their lives on the line to ensure public safety for the more than 8.8 million people across the Commonwealth. This attack is an example of the dangers they face when they show up to work every day."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/05/04/virginia-prison-la-mara-salvatrucha-attack/83447260007/

And liberal Dems, including liberal judges, continue to support such violent criminals.

Deport these convicted criminals… I’m fine with that.
Just given then due process and send them to El Salvador.

Why are we keeping them in prison here? It costs more.. seems like Trump would do better sending these people back. At least this before worrying about many non-violent students and others that have no record. No?

You have an “open mind” JP?

OK… watch this and assess.
https://youtu.be/F2hN3JKZ-Go?si=yC11v7Co-ZJCsaps

Clearly this has a liberal bias, but it also points out a lot of obvious idiocy of the Trump Admin.

It's against democrats rights to deport criminals. They are "citizens", criminals or not. Right? Well, thats how i got to understand it in Europe, maybye USA is a bit more sound and they have it right? If so, sorry Democrats. If so not: hope Reps keep winning and keep ruling

[mookiemcgee]

It's against democrats rights to deport criminals.

Incorrect, there are no democrats in congress who are against deporting illegal immigrants who are convicted criminals. Everyone agrees on this.

Abrego Garcia has never been convicted of any crime in the US or anywhere else. If I say, well Sonic is a criminal we should deport him from whatever country he is in, I saw him wear a chicago bulls hat once... and that is all that is required, no court dates, just straight on a plane to el salvador to spend the rest of your life in prison there. Would you support this policy?

[mookiemcgee]

Here is an example of the violent gang members that Trump is trying to keep out of this country.

Virginia prison guards injured in 'premeditated' attack by MS-13 members, officials say

Five guards were injured in an apparent "premeditated" attack by inmates affiliated with the MS-13 and Sureño 13 gangs at a Virginia prison, state corrections officials said.

The attack occurred at about 9:45 a.m. on May 2 at the Wallens Ridge State Prison, a super-maximum security prison located in Big Stone Gap, a remote town in southwest Virginia, according to the state Department of Corrections. Five guards were injured in the incident, including three who were stabbed, and were transported for outside medical treatment. (...)

The agency described the incident as a "premeditated stabbing" targeting three corrections officers. Six of the inmates involved in the attack had all been convicted of violent crimes including aggravated murder, first and second degree murder, and rape, according to the agency.

The agency said five of the six inmates were "confirmed MS-13 gang members from El Salvador," who were in the United States unlawfully. The other inmate involved in the attack was a U.S. citizen and confirmed member of the Sureño 13 gang.

"Five of the individuals responsible for this senseless attack should never have been in this country in the first place," Virginia Department of Corrections Director Chad Dotson said in a statement. "Every single day, our officers put their lives on the line to ensure public safety for the more than 8.8 million people across the Commonwealth. This attack is an example of the dangers they face when they show up to work every day."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/05/04/virginia-prison-la-mara-salvatrucha-attack/83447260007/

And liberal Dems, including liberal judges, continue to support such violent criminals.

I see and which liberal dems and judges exactly, specific to this case are on the record supporting these convicted criminals staying in the US?

In the article you sited doesn't name a single judge or democrat who is supporting keeping these specific prisoners in the US.

I'm sure you can name some though, since you made this claim that liberal judges and democrats are 'supporting' them.

[Pack Rat]

Are you trying to reason with MAGA? Too funny.

The patients are running the Asylum.

[SoN!c]

The patients were running the Asylum before. Oversubsidies...where "creating jobs" ment create 5 goverment jobs to tax that same hard working guy extra and make him pay for 5 useless government jobs just so we can say we created extra jobs... Creating a useless job is better then having people live of welfare straith up right...

[mookiemcgee]

The patients were running the Asylum before. Oversubsidies...where "creating jobs" ment create 5 goverment jobs to tax that same hard working guy extra and make him pay for 5 useless government jobs just so we can say we created extra jobs... Creating a useless job is better then having people live of welfare straith up right...

and in your opinion Trumps actions by firing tons of gov't workers would result in reduced government spending right? and we'd see that reflected by massively reduced gov't spending right? From where I'm sitting I see alot of words about change, and stories about people losing their gov't jobs but somehow gov't spending seem to be going up, not down.

[jusplay4fun]

The patients were running the Asylum before. Oversubsidies...where "creating jobs" ment create 5 goverment jobs to tax that same hard working guy extra and make him pay for 5 useless government jobs just so we can say we created extra jobs... Creating a useless job is better then having people live of welfare straith up right...

and in your opinion Trumps actions by firing tons of gov't workers would result in reduced government spending right? and we'd see that reflected by massively reduced gov't spending right? From where I'm sitting I see alot of words about change, and stories about people losing their gov't jobs but somehow gov't spending seem to be going up, not down.

You do realize that a HUGE part of any business or organization is the Financial cost of paying its workers (salary) and Fringe benefits (Health insurance, other insurance, retirement benefits, etc.) RIGHT? So, yes, FIRING workers does SAVE MONEY, in the short and LONG term, too.

I assume too that you are also aware and will admit that the Federal Government is and HAS been BLOATED for a LONG time. Bloated means TOO many workers and too many funds for non-essential things and too much WASTE. JUST look at the Debt, annually and the $36 Billion TOTAL Federal Deficit; that ALONE is PROOF.

And let me now mention the FRAUD and Abuse of funding. I think I posted elswehere in this Forum of the FRAUD for COVID money, locally (including, but not limited to, the SBA) and other Federal COVID money that was passed and signed by Trump as well as from ANOTHER big COVID bill signed by Biden.

AND the so-called Inflation Reduction Act, a TOTAL misnomer, was basically a slush fund to give money to Democratic supporters for "Green" (FOR MONEY and not for the environment) projects including to Stacey Abrams of GA. EVEN THAT was NOT enough to get Kamala elected. VOTERS realized how vapid and out of touch Kamala and the the Biden Team were. And Kamala and Biden are STILL CLUELESS as to why they lost. They keep doubling down on their support of LUNATIC LIBERAL ideas and supporting CRIMINALS, born in this country as well as immigrants. Their only "Card" to play was their hatred of Trump and that was certainly NOT ENOUGH.

And btw: I heard that Trump and the DoD plan to cut the numbers of Generals in a significant way.

Hegseth directs active duty military to cut 20% of its four-star general officers
Nation May 6, 2025

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/hegseth-directs-active-duty-military-to-cut-20-of-its-four-star-general-officers

This really belongs in another thread, but let's let it ride HERE.

[jusplay4fun]

Here is an example of the violent gang members that Trump is trying to keep out of this country.

Virginia prison guards injured in 'premeditated' attack by MS-13 members, officials say

Five guards were injured in an apparent "premeditated" attack by inmates affiliated with the MS-13 and Sureño 13 gangs at a Virginia prison, state corrections officials said.

The attack occurred at about 9:45 a.m. on May 2 at the Wallens Ridge State Prison, a super-maximum security prison located in Big Stone Gap, a remote town in southwest Virginia, according to the state Department of Corrections. Five guards were injured in the incident, including three who were stabbed, and were transported for outside medical treatment. (...)

The agency described the incident as a "premeditated stabbing" targeting three corrections officers. Six of the inmates involved in the attack had all been convicted of violent crimes including aggravated murder, first and second degree murder, and rape, according to the agency.

The agency said five of the six inmates were "confirmed MS-13 gang members from El Salvador," who were in the United States unlawfully. The other inmate involved in the attack was a U.S. citizen and confirmed member of the Sureño 13 gang.

"Five of the individuals responsible for this senseless attack should never have been in this country in the first place," Virginia Department of Corrections Director Chad Dotson said in a statement. "Every single day, our officers put their lives on the line to ensure public safety for the more than 8.8 million people across the Commonwealth. This attack is an example of the dangers they face when they show up to work every day."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/05/04/virginia-prison-la-mara-salvatrucha-attack/83447260007/

And liberal Dems, including liberal judges, continue to support such violent criminals.

I see and which liberal dems and judges exactly, specific to this case are on the record supporting these convicted criminals staying in the US?

In the article you sited doesn't name a single judge or democrat who is supporting keeping these specific prisoners in the US.

I'm sure you can name some though, since you made this claim that liberal judges and democrats are 'supporting' them.

I can and DID name them. You must have MISSED this Mookie:

The federal government announced two separate arrests Friday of a current judge and a former judge alleged to have assisted undocumented immigrants who authorities claim were violent criminals, moves that have raised red flags among Democrats and others.

Milwaukee County Circuit Judge Hannah Dugan was arrested Friday by the FBI over allegedly helping an undocumented immigrant evade arrest last week. Her arrest took place hours after federal authorities arrested former New Mexico Judge Joel Cano and his wife Nancy Cano for allegedly housing a Venezuelan national with reported gang ties, Attorney General Pam Bondi said. (...)

by jusplay4fun
Sun Apr 27, 2025 10:41 pm

There is MORE there if you care to read, Mookie.

and did you forget Maryland Senator Chris Van Hollen ? Is he a Democrat?

and

Four US House Democrats, Representatives Yassamin Ansari, Robert Garcia, Maxwell Frost, and Maxine Dexter, visited El Salvador to advocate for the return of Kilmar Abrego Garcia

And where were Democrats when Obama deported 3 million?

President Obama's administration deported more than 3 million people

and MORE:

Fact Check: US deported more than 3M people during Obama presidency. Most did not have chance to plead case in court

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-us-deported-more-130000074.html

Can we get consistency from Democrats? on anything? Are EVs from Tesla good or bad for the environment? What about when someone fire bombs one or several?

[jusplay4fun]

[ConfederateSS]

---------You can change you title Jp4fun..... Democrats let in millions of killers...Or something like that......
--------------Here come the Terrorists... Thanks to Biden's Open Borders......
------------Like the murdering rapists.... Crossing over into The USA , Biden's Open Borders...Here come the Terrorists...That crossed over...
----------- People cried... ConfederateSS, show me proof, attacks are coming...
----------- Sunday...In Boulder, Colorado...The 1st of many...Nutjobs ...That walked into Open America thanks to Biden(those who really were running things)...
----------- Mohamed Soliman--- Fire Bombed a Jewish Parade, marching to protest the Israeli hostages being held...By Hamas...
----------- Soliman threw Molitov Cocktail bombs... Injuring 12 Jewish Marchers...
----------- It gets better, The Biden Administration actually gave... After his TOURIST VISA expired, he didn't go back to his country (here illegally)...A WORK PERMIT...
----------- As he bombarded the Parade... Shouting...FREE, FREE PALESTINE ... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ...
----------More disturbing.... Silence about this attack... Throughout...The LEFT, Fake News , American Media......