How Bad was Biden while POTUS?

[Pack Rat]

First Jim and now Duk...too funny. They try so hard to show with simple facts/truths that MAGA is wrong...MAGA wins with delusional alternate truths.

[jimboston]

It’s impossible to debate blind idiots.

3) Blind? NO. I do not use voice to type, so NO WAY.

What a weak and impotent response. PATHETIC.

I call you ‘blind’ metaphorically.
You respond “No. I do not use voice to type, so NO WAY.”
… then you call my eye roll weak and impotent.

I wasn’t sure before if you had no understanding of metaphors or if you were trying to be funny.

Now I know.

JP… EVERYONE HERE in this forum thinks your posts display all the worst traits that you criticize in your “opponents” posts. You have zero self awareness. It might be funny, but in reality it’s sad. It shines a bright light on something I already know but don’t like to admit.

In the real-world you’re probably a productive member of society. I’m basing this on the assumption that what you post is generally true. Based on posts about your life you’d be not just a productive member of society, but a ‘pillar of your community’… so we have to factor is your inflated ego, but even then you still are likely a law-abiding tax-payer. The most frustrating thing about reading your posts is knowing that even-though in real-life you probably seem ‘normal’… in reality your inner-self comes out here and we see you’re a FUCKING SELF-IMPORTANT IDIOT with ZERO AWARENESS of your own LIMITATIONS and NO ABILITY to SEE ALTERNATIVE PERSPECTIVES. This is frustrating because it brings to light that fact that most people walking down the street are the same… the idea that this world is populated by an ever increasing number of JP4’s is VERY SCAREY.

[jusplay4fun]

It’s impossible to debate blind idiots.

3) Blind? NO. I do not use voice to type, so NO WAY.

What a weak and impotent response. PATHETIC.

I call you ‘blind’ metaphorically.
You respond “No. I do not use voice to type, so NO WAY.”
… then you call my eye roll weak and impotent.

I wasn’t sure before if you had no understanding of metaphors or if you were trying to be funny.

Now I know.

JP… EVERYONE HERE in this forum thinks your posts display all the worst traits that you criticize in your “opponents” posts. You have zero self awareness. It might be funny, but in reality it’s sad. It shines a bright light on something I already know but don’t like to admit.

In the real-world you’re probably a productive member of society. I’m basing this on the assumption that what you post is generally true. Based on posts about your life you’d be not just a productive member of society, but a ‘pillar of your community’… so we have to factor is your inflated ego, but even then you still are likely a law-abiding tax-payer. The most frustrating thing about reading your posts is knowing that even-though in real-life you probably seem ‘normal’… in reality your inner-self comes out here and we see you’re a FUCKING SELF-IMPORTANT IDIOT with ZERO AWARENESS of your own LIMITATIONS and NO ABILITY to SEE ALTERNATIVE PERSPECTIVES. This is frustrating because it brings to light that fact that most people walking down the street are the same… the idea that this world is populated by an ever increasing number of JP4’s is VERY SCAREY.

As usual, JimB is WRONG about me AND many OTHER things. I am FULLY aware of my limitations and how my EGO can get too big. BUT worry NOT, JimB; the Lord will send me a REMINDER that is OBVIOUS to me that I am not as smart or as good or as --------- (there are other things that can fill THAT blank) AS I was thinking. God has a way to humble me and keep me from becoming too egotistical. (It seems Trump did not get that message during much of his life, I will admit.)

Such a humbling from my Lord occurred last week, when I got TOO Talkative. Imagine THAT.

And JimB, you try to argue that I am this or something else. That attempt is simply a poor and incorrect evaluation of me.

When you say:

you’re a FUCKING SELF-IMPORTANT IDIOT with ZERO AWARENESS of your own LIMITATIONS and NO ABILITY to SEE ALTERNATIVE PERSPECTIVES

I think that INSTEAD describes YOURSELF, JimB.

You talked earlier, about a week or two ago, about being in a family of "Know it ALLs." In my family I am not even the smartest. One of my brothers is an engineer and I KNEW while I was in COLLEGE (if not sooner) that he is smarter than me. I also have a brother who has an MBA (and teaches adjunct at a University). Another brother is a doctor. My brothers know so much about their respective fields that I know to go to them FOR ADVICE.

Then I got married, and over time, learned about one of my wife's brothers who is smarter than anyone in my family. And he is so humble, that most who encounter him in a casual scenario would NEVER suspect how intelligent he is. And she has other two brothers who have good common sense, good people skills, AND are incredible with their hands, fixing and building things. And both work as firefighters and have medical training and knowledge. I got NONE of those skills with my hands. I hope that I have become better with people skills as I work with MANY people in my long career. And my wife is so wonderful and has so many abilities of organization, finance, and kindness and people skills. She is a wonderful individual and I am glad that she is my wife.

The more I learn, the more I learn how little I really know. What is important here is that:
1) you do not KNOW really anything about me;
2) what you think you know is nearly always FLAT WRONG;
3) that I know that I have limitations;
4) that as a scientist and life-long learner, I am willing to learn;
6) that I keep an open mind (DO YOU JimB? it does not appear so);
7) that I have strong bedrock values of religion, patriotism, love of family, and Love and fear of my Lord.
8 ) From my religious learning, I have a strong sense of ethics and morality.
9) I even took a course in Ethics. Of course I ACED it. (Yeah go ahead and think that is egotism; NO, it is FACT.)
10) I respect those who can support their assumptions and evaluations with reliable sources and LOGIC. Duk does; so does Mookie. You do rarely, JimB, and pee rat almost NEVER does.

JimB, your shallow, perfunctory, scrofulous, and hate- (or at best, contempt) filled attempted analysis of me deserved a detailed and in-depth response to demonstrate how wrong you are. PERIOD.

[jimboston]

JP4 took the adage “You must love yourself before you love others” just a little too far.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Like getting bribery from BOTH the Chinese AND the Ukrainians?

If this was true, there would have been an impeachment.

Just pure bullshit.

The shit people dream up to justify a guy who's fucked the working class and created the worst division with the left and right amazes me.

[jusplay4fun]

JP4 took the adage “You must love yourself before you love others” just a little too far.

First of all, I wonder if I have even heard that adage that jimb quotes. Of course I am aware of the basic premise it presents, but to JUDGE me to say I do is PURE BULLSHIT.

Again JimB is FLAT Wrong.

Here is one of MANY articles that says that JimB is wrong:

https://briancdunn.com/myth-busting-to-love-someone-else-first-you-must-love-yourself/

MYTH BUSTING: “To Love Someone Else, First You Must Love Yourself”

(...)
It’s basically saying, “You cannot / should not / are not allowed to / do not deserve to love someone unless you already completely love yourself 100% first, 100% of the time.”

That’s like saying…only certain people should be allowed to wear bikinis or take their shirt off at the beach.

Or…you have to be able to bench your own bodyweight before you can go to the gym.

Or…you can’t have sex with someone else unless you love your own body completely and unconditionally. YIKES!! I’ve got love handles that I’m not crazy about, so where would that leave me (and my libido)?!

We love our family, and our friends too. Not to mention our pets. Are we supposed to shut them out of our lives and put up an “under constructions” sign until we’re 100% perfect?

Besides… Who else other than narcissists truly loves themselves 24/7/365?

and here is one that jimb can grasp:

How to Love Yourself (No Bullsh*t Guide)
by Aletheia Luna · Updated: Apr 2, 2025

» Home » Turning Inwards
How to Love Yourself (No Bullsh*t Guide)
by Aletheia Luna · Updated: Apr 2, 2025 · 202 Comments

Image of a heart on the sand representing how to love yourself more
Learning how to love yourself can be pretty f*cking hard.

I’m going to be realistic here.

While many articles, books, speakers, and spiritual teachers paint an ethereal glow around self-love … beginning to even get to a space where you’re ready to “love yourself” often happens after a ton of gritty inner work and soul-searching.

https://lonerwolf.com/how-to-love-yourself-more/

I prefer to follow the Words of the Lord:

The most well-known verse about loving one's neighbor is from Matthew 22:39: "And the second is like unto it, 'Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself'”. This verse, along with Matthew 22:38 ("Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind"), are considered the two great commandments in Christianity.

and

Maybe you’ve seen this highway billboard or a picture of it on Social Media that says: That “Love thy Neighbor thing… I meant that. -God.”

It is referring to the Book of Mark 12:28-31 in the Bible which includes: Love your neighbor as yourself.

And maybe you’ve wondered: How is that even possible? Could anyone actually do that? Is it really just that simple, like that “Love God, Love people” slogan some people use?

Here’s what I have learned: First, you must learn to receive God’s love for yourself. Until then, you can’t truly love anyone else. You may do all the right things, but your motivation will be all wrong. God isn’t nearly as concerned about what we do as He is about the attitudes of our hearts (Read 1 Thessalonians 2:4).

Also read: I John 4:7-21.

https://gregmclogan.com/love-thy-neighbor-as-yourself/

Let me FOE jimb so I can take a break from the CRAP spewing from his mouth. His dung heap is getting very rotten, vile and malodorous. It needs oxygen and sunlight. Perhaps that is what happened to his brain; it is likely that he inhaled too much hydrogen sulfide gas.

[jusplay4fun]

How BAD? The more we learn, the WORSE it gets. Biden is likely ONE of the WORST Presidents EVER.

I have documented elsewhere where more of the Liberal Media write books to document the mental decline of this TERRIBLE former President.

We now learn that Biden has prostate cancer. And APPARENTLY that was HIDDEN by those around him, as he likely had it BEFORE 2024. What corruption and what greed, to stay in power and as POTUS while Biden is dying. And I have already documented the feebleness and lack of mental acuity of Biden, despite statements to the CONTRARY by many of those around him. TALK ABOUT BS. And we have many here defending Biden and his CRAZY Liberal Policies and his wasteful spending of LOTS of money. Biden and those who ENABLED him to stay in Office and NOT stop him from RUNNING for re-election in 2024 are INCREDIBLY PATHETIC.

This shows the depravity and deceit and utter corruption of the Liberal Democrats who allowed his re-election campaign to continue. What further need do we have to prove the wide-spread and insidious nature of TDS? SAD.

I do not like all that Trump represents, but the Dems are even WORSE.

[Dukasaur]

Overall, Biden was a good president.

He safely navigated reducing government spending from its pandemic high. Not fast enough and not far enough to satisfy many (including myself), but it was a reasonable progression. If he had reduced it faster, it might very well have triggered a major recession. Reducing it slowly and gradually may very well have been the right strategy. There's no Mulligans in governing, so we we'll never know for sure, but it's definitely a defensible thesis.

He was the first president since Eisenhower to take seriously America's crumbling infrastructure and put some major money into rebuilding your transportation and communications networks.

He made huge investments in resuming technological advance in America. While all his predecessors wailed and gnashed their teeth about China overtaking the U.S. in tech, Biden actually did something. The infrastructure bill and especially the Chips Act were the first real government investment in research and technology (other than purely military tech) since the Reagan years.

He did a lot to restore protections for nature and the environment that his predecessor had torn down, and he did it without hampering economic growth.

He courageously funneled aid to Ukraine and is the single largest reason Putin's drive to re-establish the Soviet empire has been held to the Dnieper for three years.

He navigated the incredibly tricky minefield of trying to get some humanitarian aid into Palestine without breaking faith with Israel, for which he was, of course, castigated by both sides. That is the nature of being the voice of reason and compromise -- extremists on both flanks will call you a traitor and will hate you more than they hate each other. (When Biden left office, a road map to peace had been signed and Stage 1 implemented, a road map which his successor has torn up, resulting in the resumption of full-scale war.)

Against all this good, there is the one bad thing. A single crime of hubris, failing to retire on schedule and trying to run again when it was clear that he was running out of steam. The classic Shakespearean device of a tragic flaw in an othewise good person. We all make mistakes, and that one was very bad. But it will not erase all of the tremendous good that Biden did. I think when all the current office-holders are retired and economists are able to study the period with objectivity, Biden will be lauded for the incredibly delicate balancing act of navigating the post-pandemic budget climbdown without triggering a massive recession.

[KoolBak]

Well he's got cancer real bad now, so....

Wonder if he still got that gun in his hand?

[riskllama]

duk wins this thread.

[jusplay4fun]

I will say that what Duk posted in his most recent one was the BEST Defense of Biden's Legacy I certainly have heard. Duk's post is articulate and coherent; NO Democrat Politician has presented anything CLOSE to that.

I do not agree with the entire post, but Duk makes several good points.

The other (unstated) matter in Duk's post (and from Biden Aides) is HOW MUCH did Biden ACTUALLY do and lead vs. What his Aides did for him. I still maintain that Biden was NOT articulate and NOT coherent during much of his Presidency. The only time he came CLOSE that level of clarity is when Biden attacked Trump.

And, Duk gets +1 BUT does NOT WIN this thread. The Joyless llama rarely offers anything cogent and articulate.

[jusplay4fun]

NOW, back on Topic:

Biden's cancer diagnosis raises fresh questions about his health in White House

Joe Biden's announcement that he has been diagnosed with prostate cancer has revived questions about what health issues the former US president was dealing with while he was in the White House.

In a statement on Sunday, Biden's office said the 82-year-old had received the diagnosis on Friday after seeing a doctor for urinary symptoms.

Some doctors have expressed surprise that the aggressive form of cancer, which has spread to his bones, was not detected earlier.

Others pointed out that cancers can grow fast without the patient displaying symptoms - and that men over 70 are not routinely screened.

(...)

A Biden aide said the former president's prior medical check for prostate cancer was more than a decade ago.

He had a Prostate Specific Antigen (PSA) test in 2014, the aide told reporters on Tuesday.

"Prior to Friday, President Biden had never been diagnosed with prostate cancer," the aide added.

The cancer diagnosis comes amid reports that the Democrat's aides sought to conceal other deteriorating health conditions from the public ahead of the 2024 election.

Republicans argue that Biden, who ran for re-election as the oldest president in history at 81, was mentally and physically unfit for office. He dropped out of the race last summer after a disastrous debate performance against Trump.


According to Original Sin, a new book by journalists Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson, Biden was unable to recognise Hollywood actor and Democratic donor George Clooney or to recall the names of key aides in his final year in office.

The authors write: "Biden's physical deterioration - most apparent in his halting walk - had become so severe that there were internal discussions about putting the president in a wheelchair, but they couldn't do so until after the election."

The publicity generated by the book has forced senior Democrats to field questions on why they did not do more to respond to Americans' concerns about Biden's health as he campaigned for re-election.

"It was a mistake for Democrats to not listen to the voters earlier," Senator Chris Murphy said on Sunday.

Dr Ezekiel Emanuel, an oncologist who worked as a Covid adviser to the Biden White House, was among those claiming that Biden probably had been ill with cancer for some time, without necessarily knowing it.

"He did not develop in the last 100, 200 days. He had it while he was president," he told MSNBC's Morning Joe show. "He probably had it at the start of his presidency in 2021. Yes, I don't think there's any disagreement about that."
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyn0zm8d20o

and:

Biden has an aggressive form of prostate cancer. Should it have been caught earlier?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2025/05/20/why-bidens-cancer-wasnt-caught-earlier-psa/83722037007/

[Pack Rat]

When is Trump going to release his medical records...

[jusplay4fun]

NOW, back on Topic:

Republicans argue that Biden, who ran for re-election as the oldest president in history at 81, was mentally and physically unfit for office. He dropped out of the race last summer after a disastrous debate performance against Trump.

According to Original Sin, a new book by journalists Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson, Biden was unable to recognise Hollywood actor and Democratic donor George Clooney or to recall the names of key aides in his final year in office.

The authors write: "Biden's physical deterioration - most apparent in his halting walk - had become so severe that there were internal discussions about putting the president in a wheelchair, but they couldn't do so until after the election."

The publicity generated by the book has forced senior Democrats to field questions on why they did not do more to respond to Americans' concerns about Biden's health as he campaigned for re-election.

"It was a mistake for Democrats to not listen to the voters earlier," Senator Chris Murphy said on Sunday.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwyn0zm8d20o

and:

Biden has an aggressive form of prostate cancer. Should it have been caught earlier?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2025/05/20/why-bidens-cancer-wasnt-caught-earlier-psa/83722037007/

Despite what some say about Trump and his policies, his mental acuity and his physical fitness (for a man his age) are not in question, unless that person, like pee rat, has the mental condition known as TDS.

Has pee rat ever acknowledged how BAD his man Biden is and did, as PRESIDENT, BOTH mentally AND Physically?
Or does he continue to rely on videos that NO ONE watches?

[Pack Rat]

Trump and his rambling thoughts and lies.




He is a bad joke to our allies.

Not only is he destroying our alliances, but our economy.

[jusplay4fun]

Corrected:

Trump Biden and his rambling thoughts and lies are an embarrassment to our nation.

He Biden is a bad joke to our allies. In fact, Biden has been WRONG on EVERY foreign policy decision over that past 40+ years, as stated by Robert Gates.

Not only is he Biden guilty of destroying our alliances, but our economy, too.

pack rat, as usual, is WRONG again; thus I was COMPELLED to offer my corrections.

Robert Gates Thinks Joe Biden Hasn't Stopped Being Wrong for 40 Years
"I think he has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades,” former Defense Secretary Robert Gates says of Vice President Joe Biden in his new book coming out later this month.

January 7, 2014

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/01/robert-gates-thinks-joe-biden-hasnt-stopped-being-wrong-40-years/356785/

And please NOTE the SOURCE here (above). Biden is ALMOST as pathetic as pack rat. But Biden has one excuse, or three: Biden is OLD and FEEBLE and in cognitive decline. In contrast, pack rat never got that high; he was too busy with "artificial highs" of self-medication.

and MORE, from the same source:

Gates, as The New York Times notes in its review of Duty: Memoirs of a Secretary at War, served under every president since Nixon, save Bill Clinton. When President Obama took office in 2009, he (somewhat controversially) decided that Gates would stay as defense secretary, a position to which he was appointed by George W. Bush in 2006. (At that confirmation hearing, Gates reportedly thought to himself, "What the hell am I doing here? I have walked right into the middle of a category-five shitstorm.")

[Pack Rat]

Childish attacks as usual...Duk would punish for less.

[jusplay4fun]

Childish attacks as usual...Duk would punish for less.

Yes, you are childish, pee-rat; I am glad you admit that.

[Pack Rat]

Here's a wonderful video about the Dear Leader.

[Pack Rat]

Biden bad, Trump good.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTj9umf21/

[jusplay4fun]

Staying on Topic:

Former Pres. Joe Biden speaks with media
Audio from former President Joe Biden’s interview with Special Counsel Robert Hur appears to reveal serious cognitive challenges faced by Biden. He struggled to recall information, including important dates regarding politics and family. The issues have since fueled concerns about Biden’s mental fitness, drawing strong reactions across the political aisle.

Special Counsel Robert Hur appears before the House Judiciary Committee
Biden frequently paused to articulate his thoughts during the interview, misremembering crucial dates that required corrections from aides. The interview was part of Hur's investigation into Biden's handling of classified documents.

Former President Joe Biden
Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk stated, "Nobody can listen to it without concluding that every Democrat working with Biden HAS to have known he was completely feeble as a commander in chief."

Turning Point USA founder and CEO Charlie Kirk debates students
Biden addressed his retention of classified documents after leaving office, stating he kept one document related to foreign policy for "posterity's sake." His reasoning lacked clarity, raising concerns about his understanding of the implications.

Conservative activist Charlie Kirk delivering remarks
Former NYPD Inspector Paul Mauro said, "This is painful...No wonder Biden's DOJ wouldn't release it."

Joe Biden exits Air Force One at Portsmouth
The leaked audio has sparked criticism from conservatives, with some demanding accountability from Biden’s administration and suggesting that White House staff should testify under oath. Former Vice President Mike Pence pointed to national security risks tied to Biden’s alleged cognitive decline.

Former U.S. Vice President Mike Pence
White House Rapid Response Team Member Jake Schneider said, "We tried to tell you. We literally spent years trying to tell you. Please stop acting shocked that Biden was senile, incompetent, and unfit for office."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/completely-feeble-critics-respond-to-biden-audio/ss-AA1FqcwS?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&cvid=b3e7300eb8fd4340b7b94c1b308ae0a5&ei=18#image=7

And Dems were ready to NOMINATE him for ANOTHER 4 year TERM? Are you KIDDING ME? This is HUBRIS at its zenith. Those in power did not want to give it up. This makes January 6 TOTALLY small in comparison. Jan 6 was laid bare by Democrats TRYING to discredit Trump. In the meantime, other Democrats TRIED to HIDE the feebleness and mental incompetence of this man, Biden, WHILE he was President. Talk about hypocrisy.

And who actually made the DECISIONS, policy and otherwise, for Biden? I have doubts that Biden made any real decisions, except for his nap times and time for ice cream. Check the Autopen, too.

The feebleness and mental decline of Biden was OBVIOUS TO ALL who opened their eyes and kept an open mind. Some here continue to IGNORE the OBVIOUS. PATHETIC.

[Pack Rat]

It's all Biden's fault!

[jusplay4fun]

It's all Biden's fault!

Again, pee rat MISSED the point that I made. However, if he believes this, then more power to pee rat.

Get on Target and on Topic, pee-rat.

[Pack Rat]

You live in your own self-made universe.

Vance said what?