Obama's New Immigration Policy: FTW

[Phatscotty]

F Congress
F The People

Obama wants votes. Obama wants power. Seems to me Obama is starting to set up the dominoes that he can knock over as a lame duck.



He knows he's wrong, and the proof is Obama indicated that the guy who interrupted could ask questions when he was finished, or that questions in general would be taken afterwards. As soon as Obama was done speaking, he physically RAN (10:40) away from questions from reporters.

[huamulan]

Government business will be conducted in American?

Welcome to the nation of immigrants.

[MeDeFe]

What yall think?

I think it has more in common with fascism than Obama's positions have in common with fascism.

[chang50]

1. There will be NO special bilingual programs in the schools

2. All ballots will be in this nation's language.

3. All government business will be conducted in our language.

4. Non-residents will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.

5. Non-citizens will NEVER be able to hold political office

6. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs. Any burden will be deported.

7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount at least equal to 40,000 times the
daily minimum wage.

8. If foreigners come here and buy land, options will be restricted. Certain parcels including waterfront property are reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.

9. Foreigners may have no protests; no demonstrations, no waving of a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies. These will lead to deportation.

10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be actively hunted &, when caught, sent to jail until your deportation can be arranged. All assets will be taken from you.

What yall think?

You forgot to say which country these new laws are intended for..

[Woodruff]

1. There will be NO special bilingual programs in the schools
2. All ballots will be in this nation's language.
3. All government business will be conducted in our language.

Why do you have a problem with non-native speakers? This is a serious question...I do
not at all understand why it's important that someone must read/speak our language in order
to conduct government business or to be able to vote. What does a "national language"
actually accomplish, other than further isolating us from the rest of the world? Is that
the intent...to further isolate us from the rest of the world?

4. Non-residents will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.

Did you really mean to say non-residents? Because if you did...f*ck you.

5. Non-citizens will NEVER be able to hold political office
6. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs. Any burden will be deported.
7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount at least equal to 40,000 times the
daily minimum wage.
8. If foreigners come here and buy land, options will be restricted. Certain parcels including waterfront property are reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.
9. Foreigners may have no protests; no demonstrations, no waving of a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies. These will lead to deportation.
10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be actively hunted &, when caught, sent to jail until your deportation can be arranged. All assets will be taken from you.
What yall think?

I think you're a raving lunatic:

[Phatscotty]

1. There will be NO special bilingual programs in the schools
2. All ballots will be in this nation's language.
3. All government business will be conducted in our language.

Why do you have a problem with non-native speakers? This is a serious question...I do
not at all understand why it's important that someone must read/speak our language in order
to conduct government business or to be able to vote. What does a "national language"
actually accomplish, other than further isolating us from the rest of the world? Is that
the intent...to further isolate us from the rest of the world?

4. Non-residents will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.

Did you really mean to say non-residents? Because if you did...f*ck you.

5. Non-citizens will NEVER be able to hold political office
6. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs. Any burden will be deported.
7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount at least equal to 40,000 times the
daily minimum wage.
8. If foreigners come here and buy land, options will be restricted. Certain parcels including waterfront property are reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.
9. Foreigners may have no protests; no demonstrations, no waving of a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies. These will lead to deportation.
10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be actively hunted &, when caught, sent to jail until your deportation can be arranged. All assets will be taken from you.
What yall think?

I think you're a raving lunatic:

Raving lunatic???? Wait....do you think these are my rules? I don't have anything to do with these rules...I didn't write them.

....What yall think about the laws.....not what yall think about the person who's asking you what you think about the laws....Dang man, what the hell is the matter with you?

Psycho

[Timminz]

1. There will be NO special bilingual programs in the schools

2. All ballots will be in this nation's language.

3. All government business will be conducted in our language.

4. Non-residents will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.

5. Non-citizens will NEVER be able to hold political office

6. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs. Any burden will be deported.

7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount at least equal to 40,000 times the
daily minimum wage.

8. If foreigners come here and buy land, options will be restricted. Certain parcels including waterfront property are reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.

9. Foreigners may have no protests; no demonstrations, no waving of a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies. These will lead to deportation.

10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be actively hunted &, when caught, sent to jail until your deportation can be arranged. All assets will be taken from you.

What yall think?

I think this is an interesting topic. What do you think? Do you support any of these proposals, and if so, which ones, and why?

[Symmetry]

Googling this, all I can find is a weird bit of right wing nonsense about Mexico that claims this is Mexico's policy on immigration. From a website called sodahead, or something like that.

Even a small amount of casual research indicates that these points aren't true.

Who conned you this time Scotty?

[Phatscotty]

Googling this, all I can find is a weird bit of right wing nonsense about Mexico that claims this is Mexico's policy on immigration. From a website called sodahead, or something like that.

Even a small amount of casual research indicates that these points aren't true.

Who conned you this time Scotty?

You guys!!!

You need to work on your google skills, but I'm sure it's your personal bias that is in your way this time Symmetry. It's why you are foed...obviously. It poisons and corrupts almost everything you say.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Mexico
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2010 ... ants_N.htm

Perhaps you are the one guilty of only doing a "small amount of research"

[Symmetry]

Googling this, all I can find is a weird bit of right wing nonsense about Mexico that claims this is Mexico's policy on immigration. From a website called sodahead, or something like that.

Even a small amount of casual research indicates that these points aren't true.

Who conned you this time Scotty?

You guys!!!

You need to work on your google skills, but I'm sure it's your personal bias that is in your way this time Symmetry. It's why you are foed...obviously. It poisons and corrupts almost everything you say.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Mexico
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2010 ... ants_N.htm

So although the wiki actually contradicts your OP, you think it supports your list of points? Where did you get those points from Scotty? Can we see your source?

[Phatscotty]

Googling this, all I can find is a weird bit of right wing nonsense about Mexico that claims this is Mexico's policy on immigration. From a website called sodahead, or something like that.

Even a small amount of casual research indicates that these points aren't true.

Who conned you this time Scotty?

You guys!!!

You need to work on your google skills, but I'm sure it's your personal bias that is in your way this time Symmetry. It's why you are foed...obviously. It poisons and corrupts almost everything you say.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Mexico
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2010 ... ants_N.htm

So although the wiki actually contradicts your OP, you think it supports your list of points? Where did you get those points from Scotty? Can we see your source?

It supports some of them, clearly.

Yup, it contradicts my OP....like....this one?

Only Mexicans by birth or naturalization and Mexican companies have the right to acquire ownership of lands, waters, and their appurtenances, or to obtain concessions for the exploitation of mines or of waters.

ooh, another "contradiction"!

Immigrants must be useful elements for the country and have the income needed for subsistence and persons under their economic dependence.{article 34} Foreigners may be denied entry for the following reasons, if: No international reciprocity, The national demographic balance is altered, It is deemed harmful to the national economic interests, he/she has violated national law or have a poor record abroad, deemed not physically or mentally healthy.

oh my, I almost forgot the source! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Mexico
This source is the same as the last one I posted, but it's clear you didn't even read it, which is again why I ask you not to ask for sources. I posted the source twice however, maybe you will actually read it once. If you don't even read the sources I provide, then there is no reason for you to even ask for a source.

Read your sig, then continue to have the sole purpose of being annoying

[Symmetry]

Scotty, where did you get the list you posted in your OP? You can rage against me all you want, but it's clear that much of it is false. I've tried to be generous and suggest that you were conned into believing this, but if you weren't mislead, who are you trying to con?

[Phatscotty]

Scotty, where did you get the list you posted in your OP? You can rage against me all you want, but it's clear that much of it is false. I've tried to be generous and suggest that you were conned into believing this, but if you weren't mislead, who are you trying to con?

I'm not raging against you. I'm pointing out that you don't read my links, and why you should not expect me to give them to you.

Rather than making this about me, why don't you try to show just one example of where one of the points is incorrect?

Here, I will show you how it's done. Here are a bunch of supporting examples from the USA today article. It's not as big or well known as the "Sodahead", but it's still pretty big.

Yet Mexico's law requires local police to check IDs. And Mexican police freely engage in racial profiling and routinely harass Central American migrants, say immigration activists.

"The Mexican government should probably clean up its own house before looking at someone else's," said Melissa Vertíz, spokeswoman for the Fray Matías de Córdova Human Rights Center in Tapachula, Mexico.

In one six-month period from September 2008 through February 2009, at least 9,758 migrants were kidnapped and held for ransom in Mexico — 91 of them with the direct participation of Mexican police, a report by the National Human Rights Commission said. Other migrants are routinely stopped and shaken down for bribes, it said.

A separate survey conducted during one month in 2008 at 10 migrant shelters showed Mexican authorities were behind migrant attacks in 35 of 240 cases, or 15%.

Most migrants in Mexico are Central Americans who are simply passing through on their way to the United States, human rights groups say. Others are Guatemalans who live and work along Mexico's southern border, mainly as farm workers, as maids, or in bars and restaurants.

The Central American migrants headed to the United States travel mainly on freight trains, stopping to rest and beg for food at rail crossings like the one in Tultitlán, an industrial suburb of Mexico City.

On a recent afternoon, Victor Manuel Beltrán Rodríguez of Managua, Nicaragua, trudged between the cars at a stop light, his hand outstretched.

"Can you give me a peso? I'm from Nicaragua," he said. Every 10 cars or so, a motorist would roll down the window and hand him a few coins. In a half-hour he had collected 10 pesos, about 80 U.S. cents, enough for a taco.

Beltrán Rodríguez had arrived in Mexico with 950 pesos, about $76, enough to last him to the U.S. border. But near Tierra Blanca, Veracruz, he says municipal police had detained him, driven him to a deserted road and taken his money. He had been surviving since then by begging.

Abuses by Mexican authorities have persisted even as Mexico has relaxed its rules against illegal immigrants in recent years, according to the National Human Rights Commission.

In 2008, Mexico softened the punishment for illegal immigrants, from a maximum 10 years in prison to a maximum fine of $461. Most detainees are taken to detention centers and put on buses for home.

Mexican law calls for six to 12 years of prison and up to $46,000 in fines for anyone who shelters or transports illegal immigrants.

For years, the Mexican government has allowed charity groups to openly operate migrant shelters, where travelers can rest for a few days on their journey north. The government also has a special unit of immigration agents, known as Grupo Beta, who patrol the countryside in orange pickups, helping immigrants who are in trouble.

At the same time, Article 67 of Mexico's immigration law requires that all authorities "whether federal, local or municipal" demand to see visas if approached by a foreigner and to hand over migrants to immigration authorities.

"In effect, this means that migrants who suffer crimes, including kidnapping, prefer not to report them to avoid … being detained by immigration authorities and returned to their country," the National Human Rights Commission said in a report last year.

[Symmetry]

Scotty, where did you get the list you posted in your OP? You can rage against me all you want, but it's clear that much of it is false. I've tried to be generous and suggest that you were conned into believing this, but if you weren't mislead, who are you trying to con?

I'm not raging against you. I'm pointing out that you don't read my links, and why you should not expect me to give them to you.

Rather than making this about me, why don't you try to show just one example of where one of the points is incorrect?

1. There will be NO special bilingual programs in the schools

Untrue, a casual search indicates that there a number of bilingual programs available within the Mexican school system, both at a public and private level.

Private

Primary School
The terms "Primary School" or "Elementary School" usually corresponds to primaria, comprising grades 1-6, when the student's age is 6 to 12 years old. It starts the basic compulsory education system.

Depending on the school, a bilingual education may be offered from the beginning, where half the day instruction is in Spanish, and the rest is in a second language, for example, English or French.

In Spanish, the general term for "school" is escuela, but in Mexico, it is common to use escuela for state-owned schools, which are the majority, while the term colegio (cognate with "college") is reserved for private schools, usually charging higher tuition fees.[/quote

Source

[Phatscotty]

ooh, another one!

Mexico's constitution and its General Population Act - its main law addressing immigration - include some of the very elements that protesters in the United States are fighting to defeat before they become law in this country.

Those include provisions that make it a felony to be an illegal immigrant and allow for local police to aid immigration authorities in making arrests.

http://www.sbsun.com/columnists/ci_3767570

Under Article 123 of the General Population Act, illegal immigration is an offense punishable by up to two years in prison and a fine of up to 5,000 pesos, or about $450. Typically, any crime with a punishment of a year or more is considered a felony.

Article 118 of the act says foreigners who are deported and then later attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be punished with up to 10 years in prison.

Under Article 73, local police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities when asked to help enforce the nation's immigration laws.

As set forth in several articles of the act, immigrants are admitted into Mexico according to their potential to "contribute to the national progress" and must have the income needed to support themselves.

Article 9 of the constitution says only citizens may assemble to "take part in the political affairs of the country."

Under Article 33, noncitizens "may not in any way participate in the political affairs of the country."

All this evidence is starting to make the OP looks even more true, and making your post look dishonest. You are kinda getting your but kicked here.

How is it you happen to know so much about Mexican Immigration Policy anyhow

[Symmetry]

I looked at your OP, saw it was ridiculous, looked up where you were copy pasting from, saw that that was also ridiculous, did some fact checking and here we are.

You asked me to disprove even one of your points, and I've done that. Now you're acting upset. Why ask me to disprove something if you're so wedded to the OP that you won't acknowledge it when I do.

[Symmetry]

I'll just put this back in here for the new page:

Scotty, where did you get the list you posted in your OP? You can rage against me all you want, but it's clear that much of it is false. I've tried to be generous and suggest that you were conned into believing this, but if you weren't mislead, who are you trying to con?

I'm not raging against you. I'm pointing out that you don't read my links, and why you should not expect me to give them to you.

Rather than making this about me, why don't you try to show just one example of where one of the points is incorrect?

1. There will be NO special bilingual programs in the schools

Untrue, a casual search indicates that there a number of bilingual programs available within the Mexican school system, both at a public and private level.

Private

And for the public school system:

Primary School
The terms "Primary School" or "Elementary School" usually corresponds to primaria, comprising grades 1-6, when the student's age is 6 to 12 years old. It starts the basic compulsory education system.

Depending on the school, a bilingual education may be offered from the beginning, where half the day instruction is in Spanish, and the rest is in a second language, for example, English or French.

In Spanish, the general term for "school" is escuela, but in Mexico, it is common to use escuela for state-owned schools, which are the majority, while the term colegio (cognate with "college") is reserved for private schools, usually charging higher tuition fees.[/quote

Source

[Symmetry]

That is what you asked me to do, right? Scotty?

[Phatscotty]

1. There will be NO special bilingual programs in the schools

2. All ballots will be in this nation's language.

3. All government business will be conducted in our language.

4. Non-residents will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.

5. Non-citizens will NEVER be able to hold political office

6. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs. Any burden will be deported.

7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount at least equal to 40,000 times the
daily minimum wage.

8. If foreigners come here and buy land, options will be restricted. Certain parcels including waterfront property are reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.

9. Foreigners may have no protests; no demonstrations, no waving of a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies. These will lead to deportation.

10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be actively hunted &, when caught, sent to jail until your deportation can be arranged. All assets will be taken from you.

What yall think?

I think this is an interesting topic. What do you think? Do you support any of these proposals, and if so, which ones, and why?

No, I do not support any of them.

[nietzsche]

I really doubt they are redacted that way, even if they are the current laws.

Actively hunted? I've met many from Centro America that were in its way to the US but stayed in Mexico for some reason, and even tho people know many as "El Salvadorenio", "El Guatemalteco", nobody comes to arrest them. If they commit a crime though, and can't prove their citizen status, they are deported. So I'm not so sure about actively hunting them.

And we don't look away while they work for less than minimum wage only to hunt them when we don't need them anymore.

[Woodruff]

1. There will be NO special bilingual programs in the schools
2. All ballots will be in this nation's language.
3. All government business will be conducted in our language.

Why do you have a problem with non-native speakers? This is a serious question...I do
not at all understand why it's important that someone must read/speak our language in order
to conduct government business or to be able to vote. What does a "national language"
actually accomplish, other than further isolating us from the rest of the world? Is that
the intent...to further isolate us from the rest of the world?

4. Non-residents will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.

Did you really mean to say non-residents? Because if you did...f*ck you.

5. Non-citizens will NEVER be able to hold political office
6. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No welfare, no food stamps, no health care, or other government assistance programs. Any burden will be deported.
7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount at least equal to 40,000 times the
daily minimum wage.
8. If foreigners come here and buy land, options will be restricted. Certain parcels including waterfront property are reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.
9. Foreigners may have no protests; no demonstrations, no waving of a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies. These will lead to deportation.
10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be actively hunted &, when caught, sent to jail until your deportation can be arranged. All assets will be taken from you.
What yall think?

I think you're a raving lunatic:

Raving lunatic???? Wait....do you think these are my rules? I don't have anything to do with these rules...I didn't write them.

....What yall think about the laws.....not what yall think about the person who's asking you what you think about the laws....Dang man, what the hell is the matter with you?

Psycho

Truthfully Phatscotty, those rules seem to me to line up precisely with what you'd like for this country. It wasn't a difficult connection to make at all, in fact. And by the way, this doesn't change the fact that I do really think you're a raving lunatic.

Googling this, all I can find is a weird bit of right wing nonsense about Mexico that claims this is Mexico's policy on immigration. From a website called sodahead, or something like that.

Even a small amount of casual research indicates that these points aren't true.

Who conned you this time Scotty?

You guys!!!

You need to work on your google skills, but I'm sure it's your personal bias that is in your way this time Symmetry. It's why you are foed...obviously. It poisons and corrupts almost everything you say.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Mexico
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2010 ... ants_N.htm

Perhaps you are the one guilty of only doing a "small amount of research"

Do you ever do anything honestly? And I'm referring to your obsession with changing subject titles on your threads, in case you're curious. At least there wasn't a poll on this one...I suppose that's a very small step in the right direction.

[Woodruff]

You asked me to disprove even one of your points, and I've done that. Now you're acting upset. Why ask me to disprove something if you're so wedded to the OP that you won't acknowledge it when I do.

Why hello there, Symmetry! You must be new to our fora here at CC. Well welcome aboard, and if you have any questions about anything, please let me know. Thanks!

[Symmetry]

You asked me to disprove even one of your points, and I've done that. Now you're acting upset. Why ask me to disprove something if you're so wedded to the OP that you won't acknowledge it when I do.

Why hello there, Symmetry! You must be new to our fora here at CC. Well welcome aboard, and if you have any questions about anything, please let me know. Thanks!

I like to occasionally think that Scotty will be honest and open. I did, after all, do exactly what he asked me to do.

[Woodruff]

You asked me to disprove even one of your points, and I've done that. Now you're acting upset. Why ask me to disprove something if you're so wedded to the OP that you won't acknowledge it when I do.

Why hello there, Symmetry! You must be new to our fora here at CC. Well welcome aboard, and if you have any questions about anything, please let me know. Thanks!

I like to occasionally think that Scotty will be honest and open. I did, after all, do exactly what he asked me to do.

Why hello there, Symmetry! You must be new to our fora here at CC. Well welcome aboard, and if you have any questions about anything, please let me know. Thanks!

[comic boy]

Wow ' Honest ' Scotty being disingenuous , unbelievable !