For years

[nietzsche]

You have been fighting over the republican/democrat thing.

There's no fucking right answer. Will you ever get it?

It's about pushing and pushing and pushing, if you choose to participate in that stupid task, well, you are stupid.

We've heard all the arguments from both sides, stop being retarded.

[Woodruff]

You have been fighting over the republican/democrat thing.

There's no fucking right answer. Will you ever get it?

It's about pushing and pushing and pushing, if you choose to participate in that stupid task, well, you are stupid.

We've heard all the arguments from both sides, stop being retarded.

Have you been drinking again?

[Phatscotty]

Yeah, so what should we do about my country getting it's credit rating downgraded for the 3rd time in the last year?

[nietzsche]

Yeah, so what should we do about my country getting it's credit rating downgraded for the 3rd time in the last year?

SO you think you are fixing it by repeating republican shit over and over again in a strategy game forum?

[nietzsche]

You have been fighting over the republican/democrat thing.

There's no fucking right answer. Will you ever get it?

It's about pushing and pushing and pushing, if you choose to participate in that stupid task, well, you are stupid.

We've heard all the arguments from both sides, stop being retarded.

Have you been drinking again?

Every day I drink

[Phatscotty]

Yeah, so what should we do about my country getting it's credit rating downgraded for the 3rd time in the last year?

SO you think you are fixing it by repeating republican shit over and over again in a strategy game forum?

uh....YAH!!

[nietzsche]

Yeah, so what should we do about my country getting it's credit rating downgraded for the 3rd time in the last year?

SO you think you are fixing it by repeating republican shit over and over again in a strategy game forum?

uh....YAH!!

You are not normal.

[Night Strike]

There's no fucking right answer. Will you ever get it?

Actually, in the US there is one clear answer: following the Constitution.

[PLAYER57832]

You have been fighting over the republican/democrat thing.

There's no fucking right answer. Will you ever get it?

It's about pushing and pushing and pushing, if you choose to participate in that stupid task, well, you are stupid.

We've heard all the arguments from both sides, stop being retarded.

The idea that this is really about Democrats versus Republican is just wrong. Our system developed into a 2 party system. However, that the 2 parties would/do eventually become essentially the same is pretty much given.

Even so, voting does matter. It matters more at the local level, but it matters at the national level, if for no other reason than that we certainly won't improve things by NOT voting. If voting did not matter at all, we would have no third party candidates ever elected. Yet, there was even a socialist elected to congress not that long ago.

I foresee either a new party emerging soon, or the 2 existing parties further morphing until they become something entirely different... the alternative is that we lose even more power as our rights get more ceded over to the big corporations. The thing is, sometimes you have to fight.. even if you are fairly certain you will lose.

[PLAYER57832]

There's no fucking right answer. Will you ever get it?

Actually, in the US there is one clear answer: following the Constitution.

Funny, from someone who seems to think is perfectly OK that corporations now have the same rights as human beings.

The constitution was designed to protect people from the oppression of government, because at the time, there just were no such things as the corporations we see today (only foreshadows of it), just systems dominated by primarily royalty and other "birthright" systems. That does not mean the constitution is supposed to mean its OK for corporations to replace the old monarcial systems. Yet, that is exactly what they are doing.

[Night Strike]

There's no fucking right answer. Will you ever get it?

Actually, in the US there is one clear answer: following the Constitution.

Funny, from someone who seems to think is perfectly OK that corporations now have the same rights as human beings.

The constitution was designed to protect people from the oppression of government, because at the time, there just were no such things as the corporations we see today (only foreshadows of it), just systems dominated by primarily royalty and other "birthright" systems. That does not mean the constitution is supposed to mean its OK for corporations to replace the old monarcial systems. Yet, that is exactly what they are doing.

You still live in a fantasy land. Corporations are groups of people who have the first amendment freedom of association. Those people also have the first amendment freedom of speech, and whether they choose to exercise that speech as individuals or as a group is up to them. And corporations are in no way as powerful as the government. If you don't like what a corporation or business does, you find a different place to do business. Furthermore, they don't have police power like the government has, which means you are not forced to do business with them (well, that was the case until Obamacare). Corporations still can't vote and such, nor should they be able to. But when they are directly taxed (and demonized by administrations like the current one), then they definitely have the freedom to protest and speak their positions.

[natty dread]

Furthermore, they don't have police power like the government has, which means you are not forced to do business with them

Bullshit, NS

I can't believe even you would say something as daft. There's plenty of corporations that are capable of abusing their monopolistic status by using anti-competitive practices to force people to "do business with them".

[IcePack]

I find it funny the OP is making fun of debates, and on the very same page it breaks into yet another debate that he refers to has been going on for years lol

[GreecePwns]

Yeah, because as long as the majority of Americans are of the NS, PS, Player, PD in troll mode(?) or JB in troll mode variety, nothing will change.

[Dukasaur]

Yeah, so what should we do about my country getting it's credit rating downgraded for the 3rd time in the last year?

Accept reality and declare bankruptcy.

Twenty years ago there might have been a chance for radical fiscal conservatism to save the U.S. treasury. Maybe. Today, it's not a possibility any more. Regardless of who gets elected, regardless of what their policies are, the wall of debt is too high to ever be surmounted. There is absolutely zero chance that you will ever pay the principle on your national debt, and if interest rates go up even a few points, you won't even be able to pay the interest.

The wealth of the world is being poured into the Ponzi scheme of U.S. Treasury bills, and like any Ponzi scheme, it will one day fail. I'm not marking a date, because so far the bankers have proved amazingly creative at whipping up new twists to keep the great fraud going, but astonishing as their creativity is the end will one day come. And as with any Ponzi scheme, the total pain people must endure will be less if it comes sooner than later, but nobody wants to hear that. Everybody hopes that the game will somehow go on as long as they live.

The only difference between the U.S. and Greece at this point is that the U.S. had enough prestige to continue to sell its worthless bonds for a little longer.

At this point you're bankrupt, and you may as well elect Democrats who will give you lots of handouts in the Final Days. The one thing you should not do is elect a multimillionaire Republican who will save the best goodies for his bum-buddies. The road to ruin will be every bit as certain, but there will be fewer refreshments along the way. The time when there was hope that a radical fiscal conservative could turn things around passed long ago.

[saxitoxin]

Yeah, so what should we do about my country getting it's credit rating downgraded for the 3rd time in the last year?

Accept reality and declare bankruptcy.

Twenty years ago there might have been a chance for radical fiscal conservatism to save the U.S. treasury. Maybe. Today, it's not a possibility any more. Regardless of who gets elected, regardless of what their policies are, the wall of debt is too high to ever be surmounted. There is absolutely zero chance that you will ever pay the principle on your national debt, and if interest rates go up even a few points, you won't even be able to pay the interest.

The wealth of the world is being poured into the Ponzi scheme of U.S. Treasury bills, and like any Ponzi scheme, it will one day fail. I'm not marking a date, because so far the bankers have proved amazingly creative at whipping up new twists to keep the great fraud going, but astonishing as their creativity is the end will one day come. And as with any Ponzi scheme, the total pain people must endure will be less if it comes sooner than later, but nobody wants to hear that. Everybody hopes that the game will somehow go on as long as they live.

The only difference between the U.S. and Greece at this point is that the U.S. had enough prestige to continue to sell its worthless bonds for a little longer.

At this point you're bankrupt, and you may as well elect Democrats who will give you lots of handouts in the Final Days. The one thing you should not do is elect a multimillionaire Republican who will save the best goodies for his bum-buddies. The road to ruin will be every bit as certain, but there will be fewer refreshments along the way. The time when there was hope that a radical fiscal conservative could turn things around passed long ago.

+750 SaxBucks

[JCR]

I find it funny the OP is making fun of debates, and on the very same page it breaks into yet another debate that he refers to has been going on for years lol

the definition of irony

[nietzsche]

Yeah, so what should we do about my country getting it's credit rating downgraded for the 3rd time in the last year?

Accept reality and declare bankruptcy.

Twenty years ago there might have been a chance for radical fiscal conservatism to save the U.S. treasury. Maybe. Today, it's not a possibility any more. Regardless of who gets elected, regardless of what their policies are, the wall of debt is too high to ever be surmounted. There is absolutely zero chance that you will ever pay the principle on your national debt, and if interest rates go up even a few points, you won't even be able to pay the interest.

The wealth of the world is being poured into the Ponzi scheme of U.S. Treasury bills, and like any Ponzi scheme, it will one day fail. I'm not marking a date, because so far the bankers have proved amazingly creative at whipping up new twists to keep the great fraud going, but astonishing as their creativity is the end will one day come. And as with any Ponzi scheme, the total pain people must endure will be less if it comes sooner than later, but nobody wants to hear that. Everybody hopes that the game will somehow go on as long as they live.

The only difference between the U.S. and Greece at this point is that the U.S. had enough prestige to continue to sell its worthless bonds for a little longer.

At this point you're bankrupt, and you may as well elect Democrats who will give you lots of handouts in the Final Days. The one thing you should not do is elect a multimillionaire Republican who will save the best goodies for his bum-buddies. The road to ruin will be every bit as certain, but there will be fewer refreshments along the way. The time when there was hope that a radical fiscal conservative could turn things around passed long ago.

This is an example of how it would be fun and interesting to debate about economics and politics, though without the last paragraph, because it would have the Phatscottys and the pimpdaves started with their childish fights. Note that it's redacted in such a way that it's recognizing shortcomings of both parties, in a rather satirical way, not being stupid like "na-aaa obama is better because he's with the people", but nevertheless it would be enough to start Democrats vs Republicans MMMMMMMMMMCCLXII.

[Phatscotty]

Yeah, so what should we do about my country getting it's credit rating downgraded for the 3rd time in the last year?

Accept reality and declare bankruptcy.

Twenty years ago there might have been a chance for radical fiscal conservatism to save the U.S. treasury. Maybe. Today, it's not a possibility any more. Regardless of who gets elected, regardless of what their policies are, the wall of debt is too high to ever be surmounted. There is absolutely zero chance that you will ever pay the principle on your national debt, and if interest rates go up even a few points, you won't even be able to pay the interest.

The wealth of the world is being poured into the Ponzi scheme of U.S. Treasury bills, and like any Ponzi scheme, it will one day fail. I'm not marking a date, because so far the bankers have proved amazingly creative at whipping up new twists to keep the great fraud going, but astonishing as their creativity is the end will one day come. And as with any Ponzi scheme, the total pain people must endure will be less if it comes sooner than later, but nobody wants to hear that. Everybody hopes that the game will somehow go on as long as they live.

The only difference between the U.S. and Greece at this point is that the U.S. had enough prestige to continue to sell its worthless bonds for a little longer.

At this point you're bankrupt, and you may as well elect Democrats who will give you lots of handouts in the Final Days. The one thing you should not do is elect a multimillionaire Republican who will save the best goodies for his bum-buddies. The road to ruin will be every bit as certain, but there will be fewer refreshments along the way. The time when there was hope that a radical fiscal conservative could turn things around passed long ago.

I understand. But understand this, we aren't going down without a fight. True Warriors never surrender.



Only one more week until all the Central Banks of the world unite and kick off the One World Gov't
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=175379#p3832956

[patels shop]

if you place US politics on the global scale then comparing the democrat and republican parties is about as deep as comparing coca cola to pepsi.

[Timminz]

Only one more week until all the Central Banks of the world unite and kick off the One World Gov't
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=175379#p3832956

My calendar is marked.

[Woodruff]

Only one more week until all the Central Banks of the world unite and kick off the One World Gov't
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=175379#p3832956

I had previously suspected you for a religious nut...nice of you to finally confirm it.

Tell me...what is fundamentally wrong with having one government over the entire world? Not pre-supposing what form that government is...what is wrong with the idea? Do you enjoy war? Do you enjoy poverty? Removing the nationalistic bullshit would probably go a long way toward helping this. Or do you just not give a shit as long as it's those brown people and those black people who are suffering from the war and poverty and not you?

[PLAYER57832]

Corporations still can't vote and such, nor should they be able to. But when they are directly taxed (and demonized by administrations like the current one), then they definitely have the freedom to protest and speak their positions.

And you claim I am the one living in fantasy land???

Begin with its one person ONE vote.. not 2 or twenty. Continue on with corporations are entities specifically designed to sheild investors from various types of risk.. whereas individuals have to accept the immediate consequences of what they say.

add in a few other things, but you can start there and your "arguments" are pure garbage. Corporations got more power because they are able to hire better attorneys than the US government, funded by just taxpayers.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Yeah, so what should we do about my country getting it's credit rating downgraded for the 3rd time in the last year?

Accept reality and declare bankruptcy.

Twenty years ago there might have been a chance for radical fiscal conservatism to save the U.S. treasury. Maybe. Today, it's not a possibility any more. Regardless of who gets elected, regardless of what their policies are, the wall of debt is too high to ever be surmounted. There is absolutely zero chance that you will ever pay the principle on your national debt, and if interest rates go up even a few points, you won't even be able to pay the interest.

The wealth of the world is being poured into the Ponzi scheme of U.S. Treasury bills, and like any Ponzi scheme, it will one day fail. I'm not marking a date, because so far the bankers have proved amazingly creative at whipping up new twists to keep the great fraud going, but astonishing as their creativity is the end will one day come. And as with any Ponzi scheme, the total pain people must endure will be less if it comes sooner than later, but nobody wants to hear that. Everybody hopes that the game will somehow go on as long as they live.

The only difference between the U.S. and Greece at this point is that the U.S. had enough prestige to continue to sell its worthless bonds for a little longer.

At this point you're bankrupt, and you may as well elect Democrats who will give you lots of handouts in the Final Days. The one thing you should not do is elect a multimillionaire Republican who will save the best goodies for his bum-buddies. The road to ruin will be every bit as certain, but there will be fewer refreshments along the way. The time when there was hope that a radical fiscal conservative could turn things around passed long ago.

+750 SaxBucks

It's that kind of reckless spending that got y'all in trouble in the first place.

[patels shop]

Tell me...what is fundamentally wrong with having one government over the entire world? Not pre-supposing what form that government is...what is wrong with the idea? Do you enjoy war? Do you enjoy poverty? Removing the nationalistic bullshit would probably go a long way toward helping this,

i think the OWG that scotty is talking about is something rather closer to the OWG of stoners' zeitgeist fantasies. a shady, totally unaccountable organisation that just pushes the world around as it sees fit with little concern for the vast majority of global citizens.