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Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
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Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.


















Haggis_McMutton wrote:He casually replies with: "Oh, you're right, it can't work now. But I think it'll work after the next major conflict when humanity will return to it's natural hunter-gatherer status".
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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Haggis_McMutton wrote:I
He casually replies with: "Oh, you're right, it can't work now. But I think it'll work after the next major conflict when humanity will return to it's natural hunter-gatherer status".

Haggis_McMutton wrote:I was playing poker with a friend's friend one night and we started talking about stuff like this. The guy was, i think, a collectivist anarchist. So yeah, we're discussing this and I keep pressing him on how it would all work in practice, saying I just don't see it being practical without some kind of major shift.
He casually replies with: "Oh, you're right, it can't work now. But I think it'll work after the next major conflict when humanity will return to it's natural hunter-gatherer status".
Gave me a chill the way he said it. Or it might have been the alcohol, who knows.


































YOu mean like the arbitration clauses most people are now required to sign for various contracts, often without their even really realizing they have done so?GreecePwns wrote:Ok, so assume that all courts, law enforcement, prisons, regulatory bodies (FDA, etc.) are privatized. Let's also assume coercion is not used in any aspect of life.
Example 1
Let's say I breached acontract with another party, resulting in financial damages to another party.
Let's say I have a friend who owns a private court which claims jurisdiction in the are where this occurred. Let's also say that the other party has a friend who owns another private court which also claims jurisdiction in the area. These are the only two courts in the area.
How can we possibly get a fair trial in these circumstances?
GreecePwns wrote:Example 2
I claim to have a patent to my invention by registering it with The Patent Enforcement Corporation. Someone else creates an identical invention and has a patented registerd with Acme Patents Inc. registered at the same time.
Who owns the rights to this invention?
GreecePwns wrote:Example 3
A single person owns the only private court, law enforcement agency and prison in the area (let's say its a very low populated area like an average county in Montana). Or we could say that a single person owns all the courts, law enforcement agencies and prisons in a wide area.
How can anyone possibly get a fair trial in these circumstances? Given the barriers to entry and the lack of anyone with enough capital to compete with this monopoly, how does the free market respond in order to correct this injustice?
















BigBallinStalin wrote:Question: (a) should I immediately respond to each segment, or (b) should I first clarify some important definitions to smooth over potential misunderstanding beforehand?
What does the CC gang think?
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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/ wrote: 2. In a free market society, there would be no patent, all information would be free use, and the victor would be determined by outmaneuvering your competition.
















PLAYER57832 wrote:/ wrote: 2. In a free market society, there would be no patent, all information would be free use, and the victor would be determined by outmaneuvering your competition.
Interesting, because most people would say that patents are part of what allows a free market, else no one has incentive to invest time and energy in developing new ideas.

















BigBallinStalin wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:/ wrote: 2. In a free market society, there would be no patent, all information would be free use, and the victor would be determined by outmaneuvering your competition.
Interesting, because most people would say that patents are part of what allows a free market, else no one has incentive to invest time and energy in developing new ideas.
They aren't. Patents are state-granted monopolies,
BigBallinStalin wrote:but I'm interested in knowing Who exactly says this and why they continue to mistake today's economic system with a free market system.
The underlined may be true, but a future without patent laws is simply uncertain. You could examine the change of patent time-lengths and compare that to the number of patents, but there's several problems with that analysis, which I'm not sure if you care about. Besides, it's off-topic, so please make a thread about it.
































PLAYER57832 wrote:AND.. I make no pretense that patents today are fulfilling those initial desires/needs truly. I say that the above is truly why they were initially created. Capitalists found ways to subvert that.
If you strike the word "capitalist" and put in "greedy powerful individuals" or even just "those at the top",then you have how just about every system humans envision get destroyed, including the free market. Most particularly the free market.
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.






GreecePwns wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:AND.. I make no pretense that patents today are fulfilling those initial desires/needs truly. I say that the above is truly why they were initially created. Capitalists found ways to subvert that.
If you strike the word "capitalist" and put in "greedy powerful individuals" or even just "those at the top",then you have how just about every system humans envision get destroyed, including the free market. Most particularly the free market.
You'd be more accurate to use the word "Disney" instead of "capitalists"
















patches70 wrote:That's how the true anarcho-capitalistic system works. Each and every person labors on their own to provide what they can. Not everyone labors on the same thing, nor can anyone labor enough to provide everything they'll need in life to survive.
That's where the anarcho=capitalism comes in. Everyone is doing productive things, truly productive things. There won't be any bureaucrats, because they do't produce a damn thing. Everyone producing and then trading excess of their labors for other things they don't have the time, resources or ability to produce.
It is all voluntary. With absolutely no need for a governing body to oversee it all. People will protect their own interests and it's in everyone's interest to protect all the other producers as well.
If you are a farmer, that's all you have time, resources and knowledge for, you'll help out the local carpenter if someone tries to rob him because you are in need of the carpenters services to get by.
Same goes with the carpenter, who will gladly help protect you, the farmer, because if some non productive thief steals all your crops, the carpenter will go hungry as well.
In such a system, all the productive members of the society will work together because they all mutually benefit each other. The nonproductive members of the society will starve and freeze to death in the winter. Thus, in the end, all that is left is the productive members of society all working together of their own free will because their own survival depends on it.





PLAYER57832 wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote:/ wrote: 2. In a free market society, there would be no patent, all information would be free use, and the victor would be determined by outmaneuvering your competition.
Interesting, because most people would say that patents are part of what allows a free market, else no one has incentive to invest time and energy in developing new ideas.
They aren't. Patents are state-granted monopolies,
No, they are state-granted property rights. Why is that different from any other property right? All rights to property are either enforced or not by the state. When its "not" we have anarchy, not markets.
PLAYER57832 wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:but I'm interested in knowing Who exactly says this and why they continue to mistake today's economic system with a free market system.
The underlined may be true, but a future without patent laws is simply uncertain. You could examine the change of patent time-lengths and compare that to the number of patents, but there's several problems with that analysis, which I'm not sure if you care about. Besides, it's off-topic, so please make a thread about it.
I think you rather need to study the history of our country and why patents were begun. You would be surprised.
AND.. I make no pretense that patents today are fulfilling those initial desires/needs truly. I say that the above is truly why they were initially created. Capitalists found ways to subvert that.
If you strike the word "capitalist" and put in "greedy powerful individuals" or even just "those at the top",then you have how just about every system humans envision get destroyed, including the free market. Most particularly the free market.


































Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.






Anarchist communism[1] (also known as anarcho-communism and occasionally as free communism or libertarian communism[2][3][4][5]) is a theory of anarchism which advocates the abolition of the state, markets, money, capitalism and private property (while retaining respect for personal property)[6], and in favor of common ownership of the means of production,[7][8] direct democracy and a horizontal network of voluntary associations and workers' councils with production and consumption based on the guiding principle: "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".[9][10]

















GreecePwns wrote:
I would say that anarcho-communism fits the bill for the second category. Collectivism does not necessarily need to be enforced by gunpoint.

















With AnCap, you're free to form your own AnComm society--as long as you don't violate other people's rights in other societies.
- Borders may be enforced by gunpoint, but not always (this can be viewed as defensive coercion, anyway)
- A set of laws and a constitution describing the process these laws are created, enforced on one at one's own will (i.e. as a literal contract)
- A set of penalties for disobeying those laws, eventually enforced not by gunpoint but by ejection from the community
- Instantaneous acceptance into the community upon signing a contract
I disagree. That is where provision #3 in my list kicks in.In the AnComm world, you can't reject the AnComm rules; therefore, there's no right to secede. Involuntary coercion would become the means of enforcement, and with the monopoly on "legitimate" law, the AnComm society becomes a de facto State.
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.
Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.






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