Chavis Carter Pure Morbid Speculation Thread

[Symmetry]

Ok, this is something that is either too ridiculous to be true, or so ridiculous it must be true.

The basics:

White cops stop some young black men in a car in Arkansas. Mr Chavis Carter (age 21) is searched and found to possess $10 worth of pot. He is searched again, handcuffed behind his back, and placed in a police car.

Shortly later, one of the cops returns to the police car and finds Mr Carter shot through the right temple. A gun is found. Verdict- Mr Carter shot himself through the right temple while handcuffed behind his back and sitting in a squad car with a gun not found on two previous searches.

Added to it, his mother insists that Carter was left handed (bear in mind the right temple), and that he was not suicidal, having phoned his girlfriend as they were pulled over saying he would call her from jail.

Hmmm.

Sources are everywhere, but here's the WaPo for an example:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/arkansas-police-investigate-whether-handcuffed-man-fatally-shot-himself-in-back-of-patrol-car/2012/08/07/e94977c2-e0ec-11e1-8d48-2b1243f34c85_story.html

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http://newsone.com/2030353/chavis-carte ... -arkansas/
hmm so it seems that no one heard the shot despite being right there at the scene.
The deceased gave a fake name, had a warrant out for his arrest in another state, and also had a mystery white powder.
A drug induced paranoia could explain suicide, but the fact that it's the South, no shots were allegedly heard, and the camera footage hasn't been released can only lead to one conclusion.

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[Juan_Bottom]

There have been a lot of hit-pieces on tv lately about the incompetence of justice in Arkansas. We all remember the West Memphis Three.

And what's up with this:

The traffic stop came after police received a report of a suspicious vehicle driving up and down a residential Jonesboro street. An officer pulled up to the truck Carter was in and another officer soon joined him. The three men in the truck were frisked or patted down, according to the police report. Police said in a statement that the pat downs were “not necessarily” full searches.

[notyou2]

There have been a lot of hit-pieces on tv lately about the incompetence of justice in Arkansas. We all remember the West Memphis Three.

And what's up with this:

The traffic stop came after police received a report of a suspicious vehicle driving up and down a residential Jonesboro street. An officer pulled up to the truck Carter was in and another officer soon joined him. The three men in the truck were frisked or patted down, according to the police report. Police said in a statement that the pat downs were “not necessarily” full searches.

One can only assume that a pat down differs from a full search in that the suspect is not stripped naked and then has a finger shoved up his ass.

Sounds to me like the police have some major explaining to do. I will say it again, the problem with all paramilitary organizations, which include police, is they attracts masochists. The RCMP used to screen closely for masochists and weed them out, but not so much anymore. This is why there have been so many stories in recent years of RCMP f*ck ups. All police organizations need to have more stringent entry exams and appropriate psychological tests to weed out the power hungry masochists.

[saxitoxin]

There have been a lot of hit-pieces on tv lately about the incompetence of justice in Arkansas. We all remember the West Memphis Three.

And what's up with this:

The traffic stop came after police received a report of a suspicious vehicle driving up and down a residential Jonesboro street. An officer pulled up to the truck Carter was in and another officer soon joined him. The three men in the truck were frisked or patted down, according to the police report. Police said in a statement that the pat downs were “not necessarily” full searches.

One can only assume that a pat down differs from a full search in that the suspect is not stripped naked and then has a finger shoved up his ass.

In a pat-down (AKA "Terry Stop") they can't put their hands in your pockets unless they feel something that can be identified as a contraband item by the shape alone. A full search requires probable cause while a pat-down requires only reasonable suspicion (circumstances that would cause a reasonable person to become suspicious versus circumstances that cause a reasonable person to conclude something is probable true). It's similar to the Stop & Search laws used in the UK except British police can put their hands in the person's pocket. I'm sure a lot of stuff gets missed in the US version.

More likely than Carter committing suicide or the conspiracy theory that Arkansas police are conducting street executions of minor drug users, it seems like he probably was trying to get a gun out of his waistband to hide it under the seat before he was fully searched and - fumbling with his hands restrained in cuffs - it went off.

[Symmetry]

There have been a lot of hit-pieces on tv lately about the incompetence of justice in Arkansas. We all remember the West Memphis Three.

And what's up with this:

The traffic stop came after police received a report of a suspicious vehicle driving up and down a residential Jonesboro street. An officer pulled up to the truck Carter was in and another officer soon joined him. The three men in the truck were frisked or patted down, according to the police report. Police said in a statement that the pat downs were “not necessarily” full searches.

One can only assume that a pat down differs from a full search in that the suspect is not stripped naked and then has a finger shoved up his ass.

In a pat-down (AKA "Terry Stop") they can't put their hands in your pockets unless they feel something that can be identified as a contraband item by the shape alone. A full search requires probable cause while a pat-down requires only reasonable suspicion (circumstances that would cause a reasonable person to become suspicious versus circumstances that cause a reasonable person to conclude something is probable true). It's similar to the Stop & Search laws used in the UK except British police can put their hands in the person's pocket. I'm sure a lot of stuff gets missed in the US version.

More likely than Carter committing suicide or the conspiracy theory that Arkansas police are conducting street executions of minor drug users, it seems like he probably was trying to get a gun out of his waistband to hide it under the seat before he was fully searched and - fumbling with his hands restrained in cuffs - it went off.

This is pretty much my suspicion too, with the added caveat that the cops were trying to cover up some degree of incompetence when they gave their report. A ricochet could account for it too.

I'm more inclined to think that this was a lazy arrest, not done properly, and the cops tried to make it seem like they'd gone by the book.

[saxitoxin]

There have been a lot of hit-pieces on tv lately about the incompetence of justice in Arkansas. We all remember the West Memphis Three.

And what's up with this:

The traffic stop came after police received a report of a suspicious vehicle driving up and down a residential Jonesboro street. An officer pulled up to the truck Carter was in and another officer soon joined him. The three men in the truck were frisked or patted down, according to the police report. Police said in a statement that the pat downs were “not necessarily” full searches.

One can only assume that a pat down differs from a full search in that the suspect is not stripped naked and then has a finger shoved up his ass.

In a pat-down (AKA "Terry Stop") they can't put their hands in your pockets unless they feel something that can be identified as a contraband item by the shape alone. A full search requires probable cause while a pat-down requires only reasonable suspicion (circumstances that would cause a reasonable person to become suspicious versus circumstances that cause a reasonable person to conclude something is probable true). It's similar to the Stop & Search laws used in the UK except British police can put their hands in the person's pocket. I'm sure a lot of stuff gets missed in the US version.

More likely than Carter committing suicide or the conspiracy theory that Arkansas police are conducting street executions of minor drug users, it seems like he probably was trying to get a gun out of his waistband to hide it under the seat before he was fully searched and - fumbling with his hands restrained in cuffs - it went off.

This is pretty much my suspicion too, with the added caveat that the cops were trying to cover up some degree of incompetence when they gave their report. A ricochet could account for it too.

I'm more inclined to think that this was a lazy arrest, not done properly, and the cops tried to make it seem like they'd gone by the book.

Yes, I suppose it's possible to imagine all sorts of conspiracies; a cover-up, UFO involvement, the Illuminati, Bigfoot, etc.

[crispybits]

How do you shoot yourself in the right temple while handcuffed behind your back and sitting down while fumbling to get a gun out of your belt? Seriously just try it, maybe I'm just less flexible than him but I can't twist myself into a position where the shot wouldn't have to go through my shoulder and even then would have a very odd angle of attack so that if it hit my right temple it probably wouldn't be on a lethal trajectory.

Are we saying the cops didn't handcuff him and he accidentally did it? What are the other 2 guys in the dead guy's truck saying happened?

[saxitoxin]

How do you shoot yourself in the right temple while handcuffed behind your back and sitting down while fumbling to get a gun out of your belt? Seriously just try it, maybe I'm just less flexible than him but I can't twist myself into a position where the shot wouldn't have to go through my shoulder and even then would have a very odd angle of attack so that if it hit my right temple it probably wouldn't be on a lethal trajectory.

Are we saying the cops didn't handcuff him and he accidentally did it? What are the other 2 guys in the dead guy's truck saying happened?

In a world of infinite probabilities, bizarre things are guaranteed to occasionally happen. These are rarely the result of evil spirits, demons or multi-layered Machiavellian conspiracies.

[Symmetry]

How do you shoot yourself in the right temple while handcuffed behind your back and sitting down while fumbling to get a gun out of your belt? Seriously just try it, maybe I'm just less flexible than him but I can't twist myself into a position where the shot wouldn't have to go through my shoulder and even then would have a very odd angle of attack so that if it hit my right temple it probably wouldn't be on a lethal trajectory.

Are we saying the cops didn't handcuff him and he accidentally did it? What are the other 2 guys in the dead guy's truck saying happened?

In a world of infinite probabilities, bizarre things are guaranteed to occasionally happen. These are rarely the result of spirits, demons, multi-layered Machiavellian conspiracies or angelic intervention.

Aye, that's how I see it possibly happening, although it still requires a fair degree of police incompetence and cover up. Less than them actually shooting him, but more than believing their account.

The FBI is on the case.

I don't think many folks will be happy on this one.

[saxitoxin]

How do you shoot yourself in the right temple while handcuffed behind your back and sitting down while fumbling to get a gun out of your belt? Seriously just try it, maybe I'm just less flexible than him but I can't twist myself into a position where the shot wouldn't have to go through my shoulder and even then would have a very odd angle of attack so that if it hit my right temple it probably wouldn't be on a lethal trajectory.

Are we saying the cops didn't handcuff him and he accidentally did it? What are the other 2 guys in the dead guy's truck saying happened?

In a world of infinite probabilities, bizarre things are guaranteed to occasionally happen. These are rarely the result of spirits, demons, multi-layered Machiavellian conspiracies or angelic intervention.

Aye, that's how I see it possibly happening, although it still requires a fair degree of police incompetence and cover up. Less than them actually shooting him, but more than believing their account.

The FBI is on the case.

I don't think many folks will be happy on this one.

I'm still not clear what they would be trying to cover-up but, I guess, once one is convinced a conspiracy is underway it's hard to pull the brakes.

[Dibbun]

Meh, another drug addict off the street. +1 for the police.

[Symmetry]

Meh, another drug addict off the street. +1 for the police.

Nice

It was a small amount of pot. Troll on, kid, troll on...

[Dibbun]

Meh, another drug addict off the street. +1 for the police.

Nice

It was a small amount of pot. Troll on, kid, troll on...

Excuse me noob, anyone who disagrees with you is a troll? No wonder everyone hates liberals, you can't understand that somebody can have a different opinion than you.

This fool had an outstanding warrant from another state. He was a career criminal on the lam, and god forbid he clean up his life, nah he's still using or slinging, defying society to tell him that he has to follow the rules. Since he wouldn't listen to society, he listened to a bullet. He knew what he was into, and I'm tired of these minority groups and self-hating liberals turning every criminal (like the Jena 6) into some kind of victim story. Break the law, pay the price. Deal with it.

[Symmetry]

I'm tired of these minority groups and self-hating liberals turning every criminal (like the Jena 6) into some kind of victim story. Break the law, pay the price. Deal with it.

Huh, what problem do you have with minority groups? Why do you think that possessing marijuana means paying the price of death if your're black.

I assume that the Jena 6 thing coming to your mind was because you don't have a fondness for black folk.

[Dibbun]

I'm tired of these minority groups and self-hating liberals turning every criminal (like the Jena 6) into some kind of victim story. Break the law, pay the price. Deal with it.

Huh, what problem do you have with minority groups? Why do you think that possessing marijuana means paying the price of death if your're black.

I assume that the Jena 6 thing coming to your mind was because you don't have a fondness for black folk.

I'm saying that this guy was a piece of shit, and he's not worth fighting against the police over. Why would police execute someone for carrying $10 worth of weed? Does that make any sense whatsoever? Where did the cops get the gun, where did they hide it? It couldn't have been a service pistol, so what the cops found a shady arms dealer, bought a weapon illegally, then waited until the right moment to cap some dude? Get the f*ck out of here.

This asshole realized he was fucked, with another drug charge on top of his outstanding out of state warrant, and knew he was going to have to spend years behind bars without his beloved drugs so he capped himself. Easy explanation.

[heavycola]

Meh, another drug addict off the street. +1 for the police.

Nice

It was a small amount of pot. Troll on, kid, troll on...

Excuse me noob, anyone who disagrees with you is a troll? No wonder everyone hates liberals, you can't understand that somebody can have a different opinion than you.

When your opinion appears to be 'anyone found with a half-baggie of weed deserves to die', being accused of trolling is actually a kindness.

[jonesthecurl]

Jay-walking?
Shoot 'im.
Library fine?
Shoot 'im.

[notyou2]

Spitting on the sidewalk, hang em.

[BigBallinStalin]

I'm tired of these minority groups and self-hating liberals turning every criminal (like the Jena 6) into some kind of victim story. Break the law, pay the price. Deal with it.

Huh, what problem do you have with minority groups? Why do you think that possessing marijuana means paying the price of death if your're black.

I assume that the Jena 6 thing coming to your mind was because you don't have a fondness for black folk.

I'm saying that this guy was a piece of shit,

How do you figure that?

$10 of pot = owner is a piece of shit?

Or maybe you disagree with the color of his skin?

[Dibbun]

I'm tired of these minority groups and self-hating liberals turning every criminal (like the Jena 6) into some kind of victim story. Break the law, pay the price. Deal with it.

Huh, what problem do you have with minority groups? Why do you think that possessing marijuana means paying the price of death if your're black.

I assume that the Jena 6 thing coming to your mind was because you don't have a fondness for black folk.

I'm saying that this guy was a piece of shit,

How do you figure that?

$10 of pot = owner is a piece of shit?

Or maybe you disagree with the color of his skin?

I like how you only quote part of my statement, then ask a question which is answered by the rest of my statement which you failed to quote.

How productive is this guy? Is he going to get a job, pay taxes, be a good citizen? How do you do those things when you have an outstanding warrant in another state? He has dedicated himself to a life of crime, funding his drug habit by either selling drugs or pulling heists, since there's no legal way for him to make a living without that warrant popping up. A little bit of weed, fine, you're just a misguided noob who should gtfo America and move to Amsterdam. Weed + jumping warrant in another state = asking for it.

[heavycola]

How productive is this guy? Is he going to get a job, pay taxes, be a good citizen? How do you do those things when you have an outstanding warrant in another state? He has dedicated himself to a life of crime, funding his drug habit by either selling drugs or pulling heists, since there's no legal way for him to make a living without that warrant popping up. A little bit of weed, fine, you're just a misguided noob who should gtfo America and move to Amsterdam. Weed + jumping warrant in another state = asking for it.

Where by 'it' you mean 'death'.

PS this word 'noob' -i do not think it means what you think it means

[crispybits]

PS this word 'noob' -i do not think it means what you think it means

Inconceivable!!

[Dibbun]

How productive is this guy? Is he going to get a job, pay taxes, be a good citizen? How do you do those things when you have an outstanding warrant in another state? He has dedicated himself to a life of crime, funding his drug habit by either selling drugs or pulling heists, since there's no legal way for him to make a living without that warrant popping up. A little bit of weed, fine, you're just a misguided noob who should gtfo America and move to Amsterdam. Weed + jumping warrant in another state = asking for it.

Where by 'it' you mean 'death'.

PS this word 'noob' -i do not think it means what you think it means

By noob I mean you are a neophyte to the business of making rational statements.

What do the cops have to gain by killing this guy instead of arresting him? Nothing. What do they have to lose? Everything.

Are you going to believe a drugged out career criminal on the lam over the police? Yeah, you go ahead and topple the vast government conspiracy from here on the internet. Good luck with that.

[heavycola]

How productive is this guy? Is he going to get a job, pay taxes, be a good citizen? How do you do those things when you have an outstanding warrant in another state? He has dedicated himself to a life of crime, funding his drug habit by either selling drugs or pulling heists, since there's no legal way for him to make a living without that warrant popping up. A little bit of weed, fine, you're just a misguided noob who should gtfo America and move to Amsterdam. Weed + jumping warrant in another state = asking for it.

Where by 'it' you mean 'death'.

PS this word 'noob' -i do not think it means what you think it means

By noob I mean you are a neophyte to the business of making rational statements.

What do the cops have to gain by killing this guy instead of arresting him? Nothing. What do they have to lose? Everything.

Are you going to believe a drugged out career criminal on the lam over the police? Yeah, you go ahead and topple the vast government conspiracy from here on the internet. Good luck with that.

I'd certainly like to believe a career criminal, and in fact - as a self-hating minority loving homo - I make a point of doing so at every opportunity. Unfortunately by the time this story was reported, this career criminal / 'piece of shit' was dead. Some closer reading from you, please!

As for the dead dude, he probably shot himself by accident as someone else proposed. You were the one who said, and I quote, 'Since he wouldn't listen to society, he listened to a bullet' and '+1 for the police', neither of which are particularly rational statements whether you believe he was shot by the cops or not. Unless of course you believe arbitrary execution is a just punishment for skipping bail or carrying a couple blims of weed.

(The 'angry dickhead' posturing does suit you though. I particularly enjoyed 'if you don't like an all-male priesthood then gtfo the goddam catholic church, asshole!!!!!' or whatever it was (paraphrased slightly))