Why was socialism invented?

[Norse]

Question.

[firth4eva]

Because Conquer Club hadn't been invented then

[MeDeFe]

To f*ck you off, obviously, what other reason could there be?

[Frigidus]

What do you think Economic Majors do in their free time?

[DAZMCFC]

to f*ck you off Norse.

[ignotus]

to f*ck you off Norse.

77% thinks that.

[MeDeFe]

Well, it's opbviously true, so everyone agrees except for those who are too stubborn to admit anything at all.

[got tonkaed]

isnt the answer so obviously the first option?

i mean come on, why would anyone ever think it could be a good idea to espouse some humanisitic ideas in order to improve the quality of life for people.

Clearly the free market has that all taken care of, so those socialist peace pipe smokers were only looking to make academic careers obviously.

[muy_thaiguy]

I was going to say be a pain in the neck.

[ignotus]

isnt the answer so obviously the first option?

i mean come on, why would anyone ever think it could be a good idea to espouse some humanisitic ideas in order to improve the quality of life for people.

Clearly the free market has that all taken care of, so those socialist peace pipe smokers were only looking to make academic careers obviously.

dude, pass the bong!

[got tonkaed]

that picture made me chuckle.

I mean seriously though norse, even though you obviously arent a huge fan of this whole idea that you could make a better society by empowering people....you dont think there maybe are some flaws with a free market concept on a purely philosophical level.

Most systems tend to break down under enough scrutiny on some level.

[muy_thaiguy]

that picture made me chuckle.

I mean seriously though norse, even though you obviously arent a huge fan of this whole idea that you could make a better society by empowering people....you dont think there maybe are some flaws with a free market concept on a purely philosophical level.

Most systems tend to break down under enough scrutiny on some level.

Including Socialism GT. Take the USSR (not many examples to choose from) for example, they used Socialism (granted a bit more violent type), yet even though they were the US's main enemy at the time, we STILL had to support them.

Also, I was being serious about Socialism. It is a pain in the neck. It may give those who normally would not get job for obvious reasons, one. Yet the ones who do their job well, are held back "to be fair to the others." It discourages success, if anything.

[ignotus]

A bit of socialism i good for any country. It gives something back to people that pay all those taxes.

[Snorri1234]

that picture made me chuckle.

I mean seriously though norse, even though you obviously arent a huge fan of this whole idea that you could make a better society by empowering people....you dont think there maybe are some flaws with a free market concept on a purely philosophical level.

Most systems tend to break down under enough scrutiny on some level.

Including Socialism GT. Take the USSR (not many examples to choose from) for example, they used Socialism (granted a bit more violent type), yet even though they were the US's main enemy at the time, we STILL had to support them.

Also, I was being serious about Socialism. It is a pain in the neck. It may give those who normally would not get job for obvious reasons, one. Yet the ones who do their job well, are held back "to be fair to the others." It discourages success, if anything.

Yes I forgot that Socialism=Communism.

[got tonkaed]

I dont really think your assesment of things is correct there mtg....if we are talking about what socialism is theoretcially trying to do, it is to give workers the control over the means of production. Essentially, in the purest of forums, we are talking about giving the control of how things are produced to those who in fact produce them.

The USSR isnt often called a socialist country, even though socialists is in the name.

I think we are finding in many ways socialism as part of a mixed structure works fairly well for a lot of people. It also bears mentioning that during a lot of the time when many of these ideas were first being espoused, we really were not seeing strong states, that could help mediate some of the burden placed onto the workers. Had the state never truly arrived in the manner it did, things could have gone differently.

[unriggable]

Because people need money and those who have it don't want to give it away so it needs to be take from them.

[sangfroid]

Socialism was invented as a reaction to the exploitation of capitalism. Ideas are all fine, but a pragmatic balance between ideologies needs to exist if an inclusive society is going to function.

Pure capitalism is a bad thing and pure socialism is a bad thing. It's the mix that provides a stable and humane society.

[muy_thaiguy]

Because people need money and those who have it don't want to give it away so it needs to be take from them.

Basically, steal from those that made it to where they are so slackers and bad workers get someone elses money is what you are saying.

GT, "Theoretically" and Actuallity are two different things. Communism "Theoretically" is the best thing that has ever been thought of. And we all know how well that worked out. Socialism isn't that far from it. So, why should the hard working successful people have to have money taken from them that many of them worked for their lives to get?

When these ideas (Communism, and the less radical Socialism) were being thought out, the countries in which they were "born" in were powerhouses. England, where this whole Freemarket began was easily one of the most powerful countries in the world, along with other European Countries and the US. But since you insist that it be done and may try to use Europe as an example, sure, maybe they are doing a little better, but at the cost of begining to lose their individual cultures. Not to mention, many of these ideas began when European countries could not let go of old hatreds towards eachother that had been growing and brewing for centuries before hand, and finally unleashed with the two World Wars. The rest is history.

As for today's society in the US. The Eastern/Coastal States seem to want to Socialize everything. In the rest of the US, people want to stay with the Free Market Economy. Hell, even my own state governer, Dave Freudenthal, who happens to be a Democrat, is not at all happy with ANY of the Presidential Candidates, along with other Governers and other leaders out here in the Mid West. Why? They talk about thhings that only have to do with the East States that could quite possibly hurt the States out here, or just flat out ignore us!

[Norse]

I'm sure all of you bleating, loitering, good for nothing hippy sociology students may begin to see the finer points of the "scoialist experiment" when you begin to find employment....unless you work within the british public sector...in which case you are a fully-fledged flaming faggot fiddler.

[khazalid]

socialism was invented because the russians didnt like the queen.

the end

[THORNHEART]

it was the only way poor guys with no leadership skill no initiative and no drive 2 work for what they get could find to put themselves in power and divy up the wealth of those who earned it

[sangfroid]

I'm sure all of you bleating, loitering, good for nothing hippy sociology students may begin to see the finer points of the "scoialist experiment" when you begin to find employment....unless you work within the british public sector...in which case you are a fully-fledged flaming faggot fiddler.

Would the above apply to me Norse??

[Kromious]

This is not a question that can be limited to 4 or 5 answers. Obviously it was invented so that dorks could learn some skills and hopefully get laid.

[got tonkaed]

i think a lot of times it helps to ask the old question...qui bono? Frankly if you excel in a certain system, there frequently isnt much motivation to change a whole lot of things is there. Take old norsey, he has background and current situation where he gets by to his standards, and seeks to protect what he thinks should belong to him, theres nothing wrong with that.

Socialism at its heart is about giving people what they rightfully deserve. If you look at some of marxist theory, there is a notion that the workers have never truly been paid for the true value of their labor power, of their life energy using somewhat more enchanted terms. Clearly they havent been able to negotiate this for a variety of reasons in this system.

I dont really believe socialism leads to a loss of culture, anymore than high capitalism does. Alot of the cultural elements of europe at that time really werent all that liberating to begin with. Socialist ideas came out of some times where people really werent treated all that humanly. We demonize some elements and glorify others, the simple truth remains every culture is going to have good elements and less "good" ones, but they all tend to change as interaction increases.

I dont really think the western states in many cases want to operate under a free market system, but your gov. may be right that some policies dont really suit your state the best. So much of federal politics conflicts with what may necessarily be best for an individual state. As it is wyoming has enough problems that it may not be the right time for them to embrace different social programs, but it can be difficult when you arent really in the public eye, or are one amongst many in a union.

[Guiscard]

I imagine the Illuminati had something to do with it...

Bloodlines....