Palin Is Cruel

[DaGip]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9XUFvHPCaw

Think before you vote!

[Fircoal]

QFT! GO OBAMA!!!!

[black elk speaks]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9XUFvHPCaw

Think before you vote!

that's very interesting. it is pretty appalling in my opinion. I am a hunter and I wholly approve of the practice. I believe that if you are going to eat meat, then you should be willing to kill it yourself. I also believe in the circle of life and that there are animals that should be hunted and animals that should not. I will never hunt or even harm, unless faced with no other choice a predator. The use of air craft in the process of hunting in my opinion is nothing but laziness and cowardice.

that said, i still think that our democratic selection this go around is looking pretty weak for the highest office...

thanks for the video.

[Fircoal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9XUFvHPCaw

Think before you vote!

that's very interesting. it is pretty appalling in my opinion. I am a hunter and I wholly approve of the practice. I believe that if you are going to eat meat, then you should be willing to kill it yourself. I also believe in the circle of life and that there are animals that should be hunted and animals that should not. I will never hunt or even harm, unless faced with no other choice a predator. The use of air craft in the process of hunting in my opinion is nothing but laziness and cowardice.

that said, i still think that our democratic selection this go around is looking pretty weak for the highest office...

thanks for the video.

I disagree, I dun like hunting at all, and I would never do it. Yet I eat meat. The fact we are born that way and grown up liking it when it tastes good means it would be hard to give it up. While I've never tried, I think I would still fail. It tastes too good. D: And sadly I don't think it would stop any killing.

[Simon Viavant]

I think we shouldn't hunt wolves from airplanes because it's bad for the predator-prey cycle, not because killing animals is wrong. And even though hunting is really redneck in the lower 48, (that's what people in Alaska call the continental U.S.) everyone pretty much hunts in Alaska. Not everyone meaning almost everyone hunts, but meaning all different types of people hunt.

[DaGip]

I have to just say that hunting as a means of food and survival is tolerable to me. I have hunted in the past, but do not hunt anymore (I have, in fact, turned into a vegetarian as of late).

I am beginning to become appalled by the industrial slaughter houses and this video about hunting with a shotgun from an airplane pretty much takes the cake. I could never vote for McCain/Palin.

Shooting a wolf in the leg and letting it suffer is quite sick minded. The bible says: Thou Shalt Not Commit Murder...and for some reason, Christians believe murder only goes for human beings. The commandment does not say: Thou Shalt Not Commit Murder Against Humans...on the contrary, it simply reads Thou Shalt Not Commit Murder.

I had a Christian tell me that we (human beings) are supposed to dominate the animals. For some reason I think these verses in the Bible are being misinterpreted. To say that man has dominion over the animals doesn't mean that we should just kill innocent animals in cruel ways! The term dominion denotes responsibility, akin to care taking.

Animals that are to be used as food should be killed very quickly with as little suffering as possible, but I do not see the value of the type of hunting that I had witnessed in the video I posted.

[Fircoal]

I have to just say that hunting as a means of food and survival is tolerable to me. I have hunted in the past, but do not hunt anymore (I have, in fact, turned into a vegetarian as of late).

I am beginning to become appalled by the industrial slaughter houses and this video about hunting with a shotgun from an airplane pretty much takes the cake. I could never vote for McCain/Palin.

Shooting a wolf in the leg and letting it suffer is quite sick minded. The bible says: Thou Shalt Not Commit Murder...and for some reason, Christians believe murder only goes for human beings. The commandment does not say: Thou Shalt Not Commit Murder Against Humans...on the contrary, it simply reads Thou Shalt Not Commit Murder.

I had a Christian tell me that we (human beings) are supposed to dominate the animals. For some reason I think these verses in the Bible are being misinterpreted. To say that man has dominion over the animals doesn't mean that we should just kill innocent animals in cruel ways! The term dominion denotes responsibility, akin to care taking.

Animals that are to be used as food should be killed very quickly with as little suffering as possible, but I do not see the value of the type of hunting that I had witnessed in the video I posted.

I agree, while I wouldn't want to kill an animal myself, if people do it, and it's there I'll eat it. :/ And if you have to kill animals since you know not everyone will go for not hunting, do it in a humane way, by letting it have a good life and die quickly without much pain. As someone said to me, it's probably best to go for the organic stuff as they don't treat them as bad. (I already do anyway though )

[hecter]

In case anybody missed it...
http://www.grizzlybay.org/SarahPalinInfoPage.htm

[black elk speaks]

I have to just say that hunting as a means of food and survival is tolerable to me. I have hunted in the past, but do not hunt anymore (I have, in fact, turned into a vegetarian as of late).

I am beginning to become appalled by the industrial slaughter houses and this video about hunting with a shotgun from an airplane pretty much takes the cake. I could never vote for McCain/Palin.

Shooting a wolf in the leg and letting it suffer is quite sick minded. The bible says: Thou Shalt Not Commit Murder...and for some reason, Christians believe murder only goes for human beings. The commandment does not say: Thou Shalt Not Commit Murder Against Humans...on the contrary, it simply reads Thou Shalt Not Commit Murder.

I had a Christian tell me that we (human beings) are supposed to dominate the animals. For some reason I think these verses in the Bible are being misinterpreted. To say that man has dominion over the animals doesn't mean that we should just kill innocent animals in cruel ways! The term dominion denotes responsibility, akin to care taking.

Animals that are to be used as food should be killed very quickly with as little suffering as possible, but I do not see the value of the type of hunting that I had witnessed in the video I posted.

Murderer is defined as:

"The person who causes the death of a human being means to cause his death, or means to cause him bodily harm that he knows is likely to cause his death, and is reckless whether death ensues or not"

therefore, you cannot murder an animal, it is a term reserved for the killing of human beings. Your biblical view leaves out several instances in the bible where God was "pleased" by the smell of burning animal flesh. God was even upset with Cain when he did not offer the best parts of the animal as an offering to him, as his brother the farmer did.

Your assertion about quick (kosher) killing of animals is spot on though.

personally, I appall trophy hunting though i support hunting for sustenance.

[gdeangel]

Only one way to hunt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtr2XPuPxzE

What you have in this video is not hunting. It's called population control.

They also do this with Buffalo from time to time I hear... if not with planes, the effect is the same.

So go outside and look at your neighbors house. Then look at your neighbors house on the other side. Then go inside and look at the domesticated beef products in your freezer. And the wheat, corn and other produce in your refrigerator.

That is why we have predator population control. I've got news for you people... it's not a perfect world. Wolf spirits don't walk the earth and have the secret to space travel, or whatever anime you've been watching. We do these things as a society because otherwise these animals would exhaust the game that is available on the land that is allocated to them. Maybe, after we kill all the dumb people in this country, we can give some more land to the wolf. Until then, learn to live with reality people.

Why aren't you all crying rivers about Whales and Dolphins. We haven't colonized the Ocean... our society doesn't need it to survive. Yet we tolerate systematic slaughter of dolphins by other countries. I find it personally appalling. Maybe we should declare war on Japan for its whale and dolphin killing? Of course your hero Obama is no more likely to do that than he is change the policy of the controlling the population of Buffalo or Wolves.

And also, next time a silver tounged liberal starts telling you about how all guns are bad and the second amendment is an artifact, remember that private hunters are the wild animal population control alternative to systematic destruction of animal overpopulations by not so pretty means like what you see in the OP's video.

[Fircoal]

We do these things as a society because otherwise these animals would exhaust the game that is available on the land that is allocated to them.

Proof? Because I highly doubt the case.

Why aren't you all crying rivers about Whales and Dolphins. We haven't colonized the Ocean... our society doesn't need it to survive. Yet we tolerate systematic slaughter of dolphins by other countries. I find it personally appalling. Maybe we should declare war on Japan for its whale and dolphin killing? Of course your hero Obama is no more likely to do that than he is change the policy of the controlling the population of Buffalo or Wolves.

Because I don't know about them. And personally I can't really do anything about that. Though I do find it terrible too.

[hecter]

Only one way to hunt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtr2XPuPxzE

What you have in this video is not hunting. It's called population control.

They also do this with Buffalo from time to time I hear... if not with planes, the effect is the same.

So go outside and look at your neighbors house. Then look at your neighbors house on the other side. Then go inside and look at the domesticated beef products in your freezer. And the wheat, corn and other produce in your refrigerator.

That is why we have predator population control. I've got news for you people... it's not a perfect world. Wolf spirits don't walk the earth and have the secret to space travel, or whatever anime you've been watching. We do these things as a society because otherwise these animals would exhaust the game that is available on the land that is allocated to them. Maybe, after we kill all the dumb people in this country, we can give some more land to the wolf. Until then, learn to live with reality people.

Why aren't you all crying rivers about Whales and Dolphins. We haven't colonized the Ocean... our society doesn't need it to survive. Yet we tolerate systematic slaughter of dolphins by other countries. I find it personally appalling. Maybe we should declare war on Japan for its whale and dolphin killing? Of course your hero Obama is no more likely to do that than he is change the policy of the controlling the population of Buffalo or Wolves.

And also, next time a silver tounged liberal starts telling you about how all guns are bad and the second amendment is an artifact, remember that private hunters are the wild animal population control alternative to systematic destruction of animal overpopulations by not so pretty means like what you see in the OP's video.

Now, I'm not entirely sure how accurate this stuff is, but taken from the link in the site in the video description...

1) She is presently under investigation in Alaska for abuse of power

2) She believes creationism should be taught in public schools

3) She is opposed to abortion even in cases of rape and incest

4) She is a champion for big oil and supports drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and everywhere else

5) She was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party with the goal of seceding from the United States

6) She believes global warming is a farce

7) In 2007 she put out a bounty on wolves paying $150 for turning in legs of freshly killed wolves

She is opposed to listing the polar bear as an endangered species and is suing the federal govt. over it

9) She supports aerial hunting of wolves and bears even though Alaskans voted twice to ban the practice

10) She used $400,000 of state money to fund a media campaign in support of aerial hunting

Population control aside, she sounds like a wonderful woman doesn't she?

[Nikolai]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9XUFvHPCaw

Think before you vote!

Are you seriously asking me to decide for whom I will vote in the US presidential election based on a youtube copy of an activist video that contains clear and obvious errors (a simple one is that the gun shown in the plane is not a 12-gauge) and is completely undocumented except by a website created and funded by an anti-Sarah Palin group? I'm not sure whether to laugh or take this as some sort of insult to my intelligence.

[jnd94]

Hunt her like she supports the hunting of wolves. Giver her a taste of her own shotgun.

[strike wolf]

As far as I'm concerned, hunting by means of a plane isn't hunting, it's slaughter. This goes for all animals not just wolves and bears. I would also agree with how this practice is bad for predator-prey relations. I've also looked into this subject. It's not just about population control, it's about getting more moose for hunters and there are other ways to do it that have been suggested. For one thing, more moose have been killed by cars than wolves recently, so they suggest preventing these moose from getting on streets by use of fence or other means. Second part of the problem is that moose are moving in closer city due to lack of available food out in the wilderness. It has been suggested that control burns would help this problem by aiding in the growth of smaller plants and trees which the moose could feed on. The facts clearly state that there are other ways of doing this than "population control"

[black elk speaks]

Only one way to hunt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtr2XPuPxzE

What you have in this video is not hunting. It's called population control.

They also do this with Buffalo from time to time I hear... if not with planes, the effect is the same.

So go outside and look at your neighbors house. Then look at your neighbors house on the other side. Then go inside and look at the domesticated beef products in your freezer. And the wheat, corn and other produce in your refrigerator.

That is why we have predator population control. I've got news for you people... it's not a perfect world. Wolf spirits don't walk the earth and have the secret to space travel, or whatever anime you've been watching. We do these things as a society because otherwise these animals would exhaust the game that is available on the land that is allocated to them. Maybe, after we kill all the dumb people in this country, we can give some more land to the wolf. Until then, learn to live with reality people.

Why aren't you all crying rivers about Whales and Dolphins. We haven't colonized the Ocean... our society doesn't need it to survive. Yet we tolerate systematic slaughter of dolphins by other countries. I find it personally appalling. Maybe we should declare war on Japan for its whale and dolphin killing? Of course your hero Obama is no more likely to do that than he is change the policy of the controlling the population of Buffalo or Wolves.

And also, next time a silver tounged liberal starts telling you about how all guns are bad and the second amendment is an artifact, remember that private hunters are the wild animal population control alternative to systematic destruction of animal overpopulations by not so pretty means like what you see in the OP's video.

good on all points. but the second amendment was not put into place so that you and I could hunt. they are there for the purpose of defense.

[Simon Viavant]

Only one way to hunt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtr2XPuPxzE

What you have in this video is not hunting. It's called population control.

They also do this with Buffalo from time to time I hear... if not with planes, the effect is the same.

So go outside and look at your neighbors house. Then look at your neighbors house on the other side. Then go inside and look at the domesticated beef products in your freezer. And the wheat, corn and other produce in your refrigerator.

That is why we have predator population control. I've got news for you people... it's not a perfect world. Wolf spirits don't walk the earth and have the secret to space travel, or whatever anime you've been watching. We do these things as a society because otherwise these animals would exhaust the game that is available on the land that is allocated to them. Maybe, after we kill all the dumb people in this country, we can give some more land to the wolf. Until then, learn to live with reality people.

Why aren't you all crying rivers about Whales and Dolphins. We haven't colonized the Ocean... our society doesn't need it to survive. Yet we tolerate systematic slaughter of dolphins by other countries. I find it personally appalling. Maybe we should declare war on Japan for its whale and dolphin killing? Of course your hero Obama is no more likely to do that than he is change the policy of the controlling the population of Buffalo or Wolves.

And also, next time a silver tounged liberal starts telling you about how all guns are bad and the second amendment is an artifact, remember that private hunters are the wild animal population control alternative to systematic destruction of animal overpopulations by not so pretty means like what you see in the OP's video.

Yes, population control is great when it's needed, but here it isn't. Science has proven that wolves keep the prey population healthy and aren't threatening moose and caribou populations. The main factor that's threatening prey populations is hunters. If you'd read up on the issue at all you'd know that it's predator control not population control. There is PLENTY of room in Alaska, in fact we average just over one person per square mile. Wolves and bears hardly interact with towns and cities at all. Space and population control isn't an issue here. Next time read up on an issue before you broadcast your ignorance on it.

[Fircoal]

Only one way to hunt: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtr2XPuPxzE

What you have in this video is not hunting. It's called population control.

They also do this with Buffalo from time to time I hear... if not with planes, the effect is the same.

So go outside and look at your neighbors house. Then look at your neighbors house on the other side. Then go inside and look at the domesticated beef products in your freezer. And the wheat, corn and other produce in your refrigerator.

That is why we have predator population control. I've got news for you people... it's not a perfect world. Wolf spirits don't walk the earth and have the secret to space travel, or whatever anime you've been watching. We do these things as a society because otherwise these animals would exhaust the game that is available on the land that is allocated to them. Maybe, after we kill all the dumb people in this country, we can give some more land to the wolf. Until then, learn to live with reality people.

Why aren't you all crying rivers about Whales and Dolphins. We haven't colonized the Ocean... our society doesn't need it to survive. Yet we tolerate systematic slaughter of dolphins by other countries. I find it personally appalling. Maybe we should declare war on Japan for its whale and dolphin killing? Of course your hero Obama is no more likely to do that than he is change the policy of the controlling the population of Buffalo or Wolves.

And also, next time a silver tounged liberal starts telling you about how all guns are bad and the second amendment is an artifact, remember that private hunters are the wild animal population control alternative to systematic destruction of animal overpopulations by not so pretty means like what you see in the OP's video.

Yes, population control is great when it's needed, but here it isn't. Science has proven that wolves keep the prey population healthy and aren't threatening moose and caribou populations. The main factor that's threatening prey populations is hunters. If you'd read up on the issue at all you'd know that it's predator control not population control. There is PLENTY of room in Alaska, in fact we average just over one person per square mile. Wolves and bears hardly interact with towns and cities at all. Space and population control isn't an issue here. Next time read up on an issue before you broadcast your ignorance on it.

QFT, though I don't think population control is needed that often at all. If one population goes down, the prey will go up. More predators for little about of prey will mean some will starve and end up dying off putting it back to the middle.

[HapSmo19]

It takes a "special" kind of reject to do such a cowardly thing in the name of sport. I imagine those idiots sit around and think of themselves as some kind of tough guys. People are unbelievable. I have NO LOVE for scumbags like that

I just had to get that off my chest. Thanks.

In the grand scheme of things, I dont see what the hell an issue like that has to with deciding what is best for the future of the US though

[Fircoal]

It takes a "special" kind of reject to do such a cowardly thing in the name of sport. I imagine those idiots sit around and think of themselves as some kind of tough guys. People are unbelievable. I have NO LOVE for scumbags like that

I just had to get that off my chest. Thanks.

In the grand scheme of things, I dont see what the hell an issue like that has to with deciding what is best for the future of the US though

Because Animals matter too?

[jay_a2j]

It takes a "special" kind of reject to do such a cowardly thing in the name of sport. I imagine those idiots sit around and think of themselves as some kind of tough guys. People are unbelievable. I have NO LOVE for scumbags like that

I just had to get that off my chest. Thanks.

In the grand scheme of things, I dont see what the hell an issue like that has to with deciding what is best for the future of the US though

Because Animals matter too?

I'm of the opinion that people matter more. And far too many have died during this war on terror. Bring em home. Stop the killing. Do not vote for McCain.

[hecter]

Do not vote for McCain.

*jaw drops*

[Fircoal]

It takes a "special" kind of reject to do such a cowardly thing in the name of sport. I imagine those idiots sit around and think of themselves as some kind of tough guys. People are unbelievable. I have NO LOVE for scumbags like that

I just had to get that off my chest. Thanks.

In the grand scheme of things, I dont see what the hell an issue like that has to with deciding what is best for the future of the US though

Because Animals matter too?

I'm of the opinion that people matter more. And far too many have died during this war on terror. Bring em home. Stop the killing. Do not vote for McCain.

People matter too, I want the war to stop too. I just focus on animals more, because not as many people seem to care. >_>

[Snorri1234]

I have far better reasons to dislike Palin than some silly video about hunting.

[dewey316]

QFT, though I don't think population control is needed that often at all. If one population goes down, the prey will go up. More predators for little about of prey will mean some will starve and end up dying off putting it back to the middle.

While I tend to agree, that population control is way overdone, there are times when it is needed, and things don't always fix themselfs. There is a HUGE trickle down effect when you are dealing with upper level predators. Most of the time sadly, it takes us way too long to find out the real issues that our presence and change has on the natural system. But, knee jerk conservation has had equaly as bad of an effect (ex: Pollock fishing, and the Sea Lion population). There are in fact times when we have an effect on on the population of would be prey, that we do need to eleminate some of the predator population. Otherwise the predators will find other prey, and there is a domino effect from there, as they eleminate prey for lower level predators.

If we assume that the wolf population will control it self if the prey descreses, that is not looking at the whole picture. What also happens, is that as the predators like wolfs populations increase, they end up taking prey from lower level predators, and those lower level predators are the ones that suffer the starvation.

Reacting to a youtube video showing the actualy killing, is not any way to make sound choices. I sure as heck am not educated enough on the wolf/moose/caribou population interactions in Alaska to be in a position to make any judgement of it is needed or not. That is why we have people who study this stuff for years, and give recomendations. I would guess that none of us here have anywhere near the experiance in this field to make a call as to if population control is needed or not. Other than trying to get emotional responses out of people, I don't get why a thread like this is even here.