McCain aspires to be a dictator!!!!!!!!!

[jay_a2j]

This is just too crazy to make up! Follow this link...turn up your volume and play the video! Listen carefully!

[Gregrios]

That was no joke. He meant it and it seemed as though he said it like it's the norm. This just furthers my point by calling him the next Bush. Afterall, can Bush's actions over this past term be considered anything other than dictatorship?

If you thought George Bush was bad, John McBush will blow your mind.

[heavycola]

Alex Jones is discredited and a liar. Why anyone still listens to him, or links to his website, is a mystery.

[jay_a2j]

Alex Jones is discredited and a liar.

Proof please. Just don't make wild accusations without backing it up.

[Iliad]

Alex Jones is discredited and a liar.

Proof please. Just don't make wild accusations without backing it up.

Irony killing me

Oh god I think I'm going to die

[heavycola]

Alex Jones is discredited and a liar.

Proof please. Just don't make wild accusations without backing it up.

Ok *gathers self from floor*

for starters: please bear in midn i don't have sound on my work PC so i'm not 100% sure this is teh video, but it's there. if this isn't it, let me know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OxxuX71Zek - Alex Jones at groudn zero telling the assembled throng that Marvin Bush was in charge of security at the WTC on 9/11.
This is a lie, it's been explained and pointed out several times on this forum.
Either Jones is a liar, or he hasn't done the slightest bit of research into his subject. Either way, he's entirely discredited by this alone. So as you can see, accusation = backed up.
Or do you want more?

[jay_a2j]

Alex Jones is discredited and a liar.

Proof please. Just don't make wild accusations without backing it up.

Ok *gathers self from floor*

for starters: please bear in midn i don't have sound on my work PC so i'm not 100% sure this is teh video, but it's there. if this isn't it, let me know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OxxuX71Zek - Alex Jones at groudn zero telling the assembled throng that Marvin Bush was in charge of security at the WTC on 9/11.
This is a lie, it's been explained and pointed out several times on this forum.
Either Jones is a liar, or he hasn't done the slightest bit of research into his subject. Either way, he's entirely discredited by this alone. So as you can see, accusation = backed up.
Or do you want more?

Heard no mention of Marvin Bush in that clip. Lets assume Jones said it anyways, what does that prove? Why would a man lie about something that can be easily researched and proven false? This leads us to 2 explanations. Either it was the truth or he was misinformed. I have heard something about a Bush relative having something to to with the WTC but that is not what convinces me it was an inside job. The overwhelming evidence of a cover-up does. Unanswerable questions. (or at least the lack thereof of "good" answers)

[Iliad]

Alex Jones is discredited and a liar.

Proof please. Just don't make wild accusations without backing it up.

Ok *gathers self from floor*

for starters: please bear in midn i don't have sound on my work PC so i'm not 100% sure this is teh video, but it's there. if this isn't it, let me know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OxxuX71Zek - Alex Jones at groudn zero telling the assembled throng that Marvin Bush was in charge of security at the WTC on 9/11.
This is a lie, it's been explained and pointed out several times on this forum.
Either Jones is a liar, or he hasn't done the slightest bit of research into his subject. Either way, he's entirely discredited by this alone. So as you can see, accusation = backed up.
Or do you want more?

Heard no mention of Marvin Bush in that clip. Lets assume Jones said it anyways, what does that prove? Why would a man lie about something that can be easily researched and proven false? This leads us to 2 explanations. Either it was the truth or he was misinformed. I have heard something about a Bush relative having something to to with the WTC but that is not what convinces me it was an inside job. The overwhelming evidence of a cover-up does. Unanswerable questions. (or at least the lack thereof of "good" answers)

So you're saying : yeah he was wrong about a fact that's easily researched but so?

Jay the fact that he hasn't researched this and that he is misinformed renders his view void

[heavycola]

Alex Jones is discredited and a liar.

Proof please. Just don't make wild accusations without backing it up.

Ok *gathers self from floor*

for starters: please bear in midn i don't have sound on my work PC so i'm not 100% sure this is teh video, but it's there. if this isn't it, let me know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OxxuX71Zek - Alex Jones at groudn zero telling the assembled throng that Marvin Bush was in charge of security at the WTC on 9/11.
This is a lie, it's been explained and pointed out several times on this forum.
Either Jones is a liar, or he hasn't done the slightest bit of research into his subject. Either way, he's entirely discredited by this alone. So as you can see, accusation = backed up.
Or do you want more?

Heard no mention of Marvin Bush in that clip. Lets assume Jones said it anyways, what does that prove? Why would a man lie about something that can be easily researched and proven false? This leads us to 2 explanations. Either it was the truth or he was misinformed.

Thanks for the benefit of the doubt - i'll dig out the proper clip when i get a moment. Might be from the same series- he's at ground zero, giving a speech to a small crowd there.

Hell, i researched the Marvin Bush link myself and found, after 10 minutes of webcrawling, company filings from the SEC, online, that prove he didn't own the security company in question (he was only a board member), and proof that the people in charge of security at WTC on 9/11 were, as ever, the NY Port Authority.

Yet alex jones, supposedly a troofer authority, looks these people in the eye and declares that Marvin Bush was in charge of security at the WTC on 9/11.
Now if that were true, it would be a large weapon in the troofer's conspiracy arsenal, wouldn't it? But it's not true. Not even slightly.

What does this prove? Well, it proves he hasn't bothered to check his facts or his sources - 'making wild accusations without backing it up' in other words - or perhaps it shows that he doesn't care about any of that 'truth' and 'proof' stuff when it gets in the way of his conspiracy theories.
Either way, the man is, simply, untrustworthy. It is as clear as it can be.

[black elk speaks]

Regardless of the credibility of Marvin Jones McCain did say dictator in that video. Unless the clip was altered to substitute a word, it stands to say that he slipped. I don't believe that he meant to say it and I believe that he didn't realize that he said it, but he did say it. I don't think that Obama thinks any less of the position though.

Vote Bob Barr. Libertarians will free the people.

[pimpdave]

Vote Bob Barr. Libertarians will free the people.

No they won't. They'll just keep whining for the next four years, then scam you out of money for a campaign going nowhere, and lose again. Then again. And again.

[Dancing Mustard]

Vote Bob Barr. Libertarians will free the people.

You misspelled Ron Paul.

[Frigidus]

Vote Bob Barr. Libertarians will free the people.

You misspelled Ron Paul.

[jay_a2j]

Either way, the man is, simply, untrustworthy. It is as clear as it can be.

And Bush is??????

[heavycola]

Either way, the man is, simply, untrustworthy. It is as clear as it can be.

And Bush is??????

This has nothing to do with bush. Alex Jones is either a proven liar, or worryingly stupid. That's all this was about.

[Dancing Mustard]

Either way, the man is, simply, untrustworthy. It is as clear as it can be.

And Bush is??????

This has nothing to do with bush. Alex Jones is either a proven liar, or worryingly stupid. That's all this was about.

Oh no you don't Heavy!

Don't even begin to imagine that you can keep this discussion on-track long enough for you to force a 'troofer' to admit that they might be wrong/inaccurate/speculating (...again). The moment that the (manifold and gaping) holes in their argument's armour are exposed (like now), they inevitably respond with a deluge of completely unrelated accusations (see Jay's quoted post above) and/or repeated shriekings of meaningless soundbites ("Join the Revojution! Now! Ron Paul is for the constitution!!!1"), and basically just jumping through their own assholes in a vain effort to hijack the thread to bury the fact that you just killed another of their stupid little arguments.

Furthermore, bothering to refute 'troofer' arguments is kind of pointless anyway. After all, they never seem to take any of this on board, choosing to ignore fact and logic, and to listen to only the people who pander to their confused interpretation of events. In a couple of weeks Jay will have (once again) completely forgotten all about this demonstration of Alex Jone's utter unreliability; and he'll be yelling all about Mr Jone's latest feat of demagogary, then expecting us to accept it as flawless proof of yet another implausible and oversimplistic half-baked conspiracy theory.

[Juan_Bottom]

Yes cola, we wen't over this before. Marvin Bush did not own the company, BUT after 9-11 GEORGE BUSH sealled all of the records as to what he did do while sitting on the board. No one knows what he did or did not do.

And no, I don't think Alex Jones has been discredited. For three reasons
1) It takes ore than one incident of possably being missinformed, no?
2) He was the first person to talk about spider-goats. SPIDER-GOATS.
3) Everyone comes forward on his show. If he's such a kook than why do all these whistleblowers choose his show?

And not a reason but a head turner, he's good friends with Willie Nelson. And Willie Nelson knows how to pick his friends. Yeah.
Frickin' Willie Nelson.

[InkL0sed]

Who gives a shit about Alex Jones?

Point is, I did see that clip about McCain joking about being dictator. On MSNBC.

Case closed.

[Dancing Mustard]

Everyone comes forward on his show. If he's such a kook than why do all these whistleblowers choose his show?

Becaues they know that he's a total kook, and that no matter how implausible their story is, he won't laugh at them.

[heavycola]

Yes cola, we wen't over this before. Marvin Bush did not own the company, BUT after 9-11 GEORGE BUSH sealled all of the records as to what he did do while sitting on the board. No one knows what he did or did not do.

lessons in governance:
1) There are usually around a dozen members of a company's board. Marvin Bush was one of them, with 1/12th of the vote on any strategic company decisions.

2) The SEC records are not sealed. They are online. I have linked to them in the past.


Look, Juan, the point here is not that Marvin Bush had nothing to do with security at the WTC on 9/11. Look at it this way:

TRUTH: Marvin Bush sat on the board of a company contracted to install electronic security systems at the WTC until 2000. Records show this. He did not own or run the company, nor was this company ever in charge of security at the WTC.

TROOF: Marvin Bush owned the company in charge of security at the WTC on 9/11.

Question 1: which version fits alex jones' agenda better?
question 2: why are you so prepared to overlook this outrageous troofer propaganda?
Answer - because believing alex jones fits YOUR agenda. Troofers are all about picking over inconsistencies in official versions of events and pointing to them as evidence of deception and conspiracy, but as soon as alex jones is caught lying through his teeth - why, that's just an innocent mistake.



It's easy to see why this happens - good ol' troofer chinese whispers. Take this account, from whatreallyhappened.com :

Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. The company, Burns noted, was backed by KuwAm, a Kuwaiti-American investment firm on whose board Marvin Burns also served. [Utne]

According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down."

(my bold)
There are no untruths here... as a board member, Marvin Bush was indeed a principal. Easy for overexcited troofers to change 'principal' to 'THE principal'.
'That provided security' - not 'was one of many companies contratced to install and repair security systems' - it's an open-ended quote. Again, easy for troofers to change that to 'provided THE security'...'up to the day the buildings fell down'.
It's suggestive propaganda, nothing more.

You guys need some objectivity, and Alex Jones needs to be exposed for the self-promoting fraudster he is.

[Juan_Bottom]

2) The SEC records are not sealed. They are online. I have linked to them in the past.

And I shared a link with you in the 9-11 thread that said that they were sealed by the 9-11 investagative committee(one of them).

Look, Juan, the point here is not that Marvin Bush had nothing to do with security at the WTC on 9/11. Look at it this way:

I get that, I'm just saying that we don't know what role, if any, that he actually did play, because the records are sealed.

question 2: why are you so prepared to overlook this outrageous troofer propaganda?

I didn't. I answered that directly.

Answer - because believing alex jones fits YOUR agenda.

Or because saying Alex Jones is completely discredited after one(possable) mistake fits your agenda?

was a principal in a company called Securacom

Easy for overexcited troofers to change 'principal' to 'THE principal'.

I don't get what you're saying, cola. It says a principle; Not THE Principle.
Rolley-eyed smiley?

'That provided security' - not 'was one of many companies contracted to install and repair security systems' - it's an open-ended quote.

First, ALL new sources do that. Every writer does that. Second, they did provide security, so so what?

Becaues they know that he's a total kook, and that no matter how implausible their story is, he won't laugh at them.

You must not listen to his show. I think he's a bit of a kook myself, but he does get some amazing stories. With documentation. Early in the week he had a woman who worked for the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation talking about how they gave untested vaccines to people in third world countries, and then when the test results came back... they simply removed the data that didn't look good... She had quite a few stories, as she has worked for several pharmecutical companies.

[got tonkaed]

Who gives a shit about Alex Jones?

Point is, I did see that clip about McCain joking about being dictator. On MSNBC.

Case closed.

lots of win in a 2 line post there sir.

I find it hard to believe people cant figure out he is being sarcastic there. Unless you guys have been sandbagging the whole time and are practicing a form of sarcasm that even i am unable to comprehend.

[heavycola]

2) The SEC records are not sealed. They are online. I have linked to them in the past.

And I shared a link with you in the 9-11 thread that said that they were sealed by the 9-11 investagative committee(one of them).

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/ ... 000032.txt
reeeeal sealed.

Look, Juan, the point here is not that Marvin Bush had nothing to do with security at the WTC on 9/11. Look at it this way:

I get that, I'm just saying that we don't know what role, if any, that he actually did play, because the records are sealed.

There is no record of the role jesus played in the kennedy assassination, either. We simply cannot be certain that he wasn't involved! AND THAT MEANS HE ALMOST CERTAINLY WAS!!1!!!!!1

look, if alex jones is prepared to go down to ground zero and shout these claims through a loudhailer, you think he might have checked them out beforehand. So he's a liar. You are a muppet, so desperate to believe in this nonsense that you deny it and make excuses for this self-publicising fraudster. Your and jay and xtra's insanity is rooted in the stuff this guy comes out with - hell, jay swallows down whatever alex jones says without even reading the label - so i can appreciate that when he's discredited and shown to be a liar, it's hard to accept. Jay says there are no answers - what he means is there are no answers that he wants to hear. You neither, apparently.

I couldn't find the original clip in a hurry, but I found the important bit here - footage of jones making these claims (followed by a handy debunking of all of them).

[thinkyoujustlost]

Mwah ha mcain shall try take over the world if he gets his president ship!

Everyone should just have their own private country dat consists of their house back and front garden

Vote for me!!

[jay_a2j]

Jay says there are no answers - what he means is there are no answers that he wants to hear.

Why was the rubble from the towers immediately shipped overseas before they could examine it?

Why did they "pull" building 7?

Why was the collapse of building 7 reported in England BEFORE it actually collapsed?

How did a terrorist passport survive the attack?

Why did the FBI confiscate all the surveillance video of the pentagon, that could "put to bed" the doubts that a plane flew into the building?

How could these inexperienced terrorist pilots have flown the plane into the Pentagon in such a way that even the most experienced pilots in the world would have a hard time doing?

Why did the towers fall at free fall speed when coming into contact with undamaged lower floors- defying physics?

Why did Bush lie about seeing the first plane hit while watching tv outside of the classroom?

Why did Cheney give the orders to "stand down"?

Why did Bush and Cheney have to testify together, not under oath?

I don't expect you to give satisfactory answers to these........