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Questionnaire for the Religious

Postby Dancing Mustard on Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:10 pm

So, I've been chatting with my buddy JJM and it seems that some of your theist chaps disagree with each other on a few points about your own religions.

As such, I went and dug up a questionnaire that I'd like you all to answer in order to help me (and my fellow atheists) understand your faith(s) a little better.




1. Which of the following is the most compelling evidence for the existence of an intelligent and loving Designer?

a. A Caribbean sunset
b. The screams of a baby seal as it is torn apart by a shark
c. The first time your perfect new baby smiles at you
d. The speed of the Ebola virus converting an African child's organs into liquid


2. A deeply devout Catholic couple has just returned from their fiftieth anniversary celebration, when suddenly the husband falls to the ground, clutching his chest. What is the most productive action for the wife to take?

a. Call 911
b. Put him in the car and race to the hospital herself
c. Administer CPR
d. Fall on her knees and pray to the Lord to spare his life


3. You are a product tester and frequently bring your work home. Yesterday, while dressed in a flame resistant suit (up to 3,000 degrees) and carrying the latest model fire extinguisher, you discover your neighbor's house is on fire. As the flames quickly spread, you stand and watch your neighbor's new baby burn to death. Which of the following best describes your behavior?

a. All-powerful
b. All-knowing
c. All-loving
d. Mysterious


4. One day while jogging in the park, you see a maniac with a butcher knife about to attack a six-year old girl. Which would be the most morally proper action to take?

a. Grab the nearest rock and beat off the attacker
b. Call the police on your cell phone
c. Yell "POLICE!" and run toward the attacker in a threatening manner
d. Calmly walk away, because God works in mysterious ways, and what appears "evil" to our finite human mind, may in fact be part of a vaster plan in God's infinite mind, so it's best not to interfere


5. You are the incarnated Son of the all-powerful and all-loving Creator of the universe. What would be a good way to demonstrate your compassion and power?

a. Cure cancer forever
b. Cause all the earth's deserts to bloom with food crops
c. Unite the world with a common language and an end to poverty
d. Kill a fig tree, conjure up a jug of wine and follow it up by walking on water


6. Since we can never "know" whether or not a God exists - it is fundamentally a matter of "faith" - it's best to be a believer since you have nothing to lose, but everything to lose if your disbelief is incorrect. Keeping in mind that the fate of your soul depends on the right choice, in which God should you place your belief? For extra credit, include a brief essay justifying your choice, along with the reasons why you reject the other three.

a. Zeus
b. Quetzalcoatl
c. Vishnu
d. The Holy Trinity*

(*Note: Choice D assumes you were born around 400 A.D. or later, after the invention of the Trinity)


7. You are the Creator of the universe. Your chosen people are a tribe of nomadic herdsmen, presently in bondage on one of the millions of your planets. Their ruler is being quite obstinate. Keeping in mind that you possess not only infinite power but also infinite love, your best course of action would be to:

a. Cause the ruler to drop dead of a heart attack
b. Cause the ruler to fall off a cliff
c. Visit the ruler in a dream and persuade him to let your people go
d. Slaughter a great number of innocent babies who had nothing to do with the ruler's policies


8. You are a Starfleet Federation explorer in the process of cataloging two newly discovered planets. The majority of the inhabitants of each planet believe in a deity, but they are two different deities. Deity "X" is said to be not only all-powerful, all-loving, and all-knowing, but the designer of a marvelously complex and ordered world. Deity "Y" is said to be indifferent, absent, unconcerned with the affairs of his planet, and some even say evil. Which god rules over which planet?

Planet A: Has apparently achieved a state of advanced benign equilibrium in which there are no viruses or diseases, and only a very small number of natural disasters, which, when they do strike, always eliminate only the sinful and evil. The inhabitants, both plant and animal, have learned to maintain their existence through photosynthesis, and thus do not have to kill and eat each other in order to survive. There are no "birth defects;" every inhabitant comes into existence perfectly formed and equipped for a long and productive life.
Deity X_____
Deity Y_____

Planet B: Adorned with many examples of beauty and order, it is also constantly beset by hurricanes, earthquakes, tsunamis, floods, volcanoes, lightning bolts, viruses, disfiguring diseases, parasites, leeches, flies, crop-destroying pests and many other phenomena which afflict both the innocent and the evil. Every life form on the planet can only sustain its existence through the destruction and consumption of other life forms. Some of the inhabitants are born with a crippling condition called a "birth defect", which condemns them to living extremely limited, short, or painful lives.
Deity X_____
Deity Y_____


9. What is the number of children born without arms or legs that have been miraculously restored by a visit to the shrine at Lourdes, France?

a. Too many to count
b. Over 1,000
c. Several dozen
d. Zero, but only because their faith was not strong enough


10. As we all know, there is only one true religion. What is the one true religion in each of the following circumstances?

a. You are born in Karnak in 3000 B.C.
b. You are born in Bombay in 300 B.C.
c. You are born in Baghdad in 900 A.D.
d. You are born in Mexico City in 1956 A.D.


11. Although you are new at golf, you have just hit a beautiful 200-yard drive and your ball has landed on a blade of grass near the cup at Hole 3. The green contains ten million blades of grass. The odds of your ball landing on that blade of grass are 10,000,000 to one against, too improbable to have happened by mere chance. What is the explanation?

a. The wind guided it
b. Your muscles guided it
c. There is no need for an explanation
d. You consciously designed your shot to land on that particular blade


12. Which of the following is most likely to be true, and why?

a. Romulus was the son of God, born to a mortal human virgin
b. Dionysus turned water into wine
c. Apollonius of Tyana raised a girl from the dead
d. Jesus Christ was the son of God, born to a mortal virgin, turned water into wine, and raised a man from the dead


13. Conceding that torture is permissible under certain conditions, which of the following would be the best justification?

a. Your prisoner is the only one who knows the date and time of an assassination attempt on the Pope
b. Your prisoner is the only one who knows where a nuclear device has been planted in Washington, D.C.
c. Your prisoner is the only one who knows where a vial of nerve gas has been placed in the London water supply system
d. Your prisoner has announced that the earth revolves around the sun


14. We know that Christianity is true because the Gospel writers, inspired by God who can make no error, recorded the founding events. For example, on the first Easter morning, the visitors to the tomb were greeted by which of the following:

a. A young man (Mark 16:5)
b. No, no, it was no man, it was an angel (Matthew 28:2-5)
c. You're both wrong, it was two men (Luke 24:4)
d. Damn it, there was nobody there (John 20:1-2)


15. According to inerrant Scripture, the Savior prayed alone in the garden while the three disciples who accompanied him had fallen asleep. How did the gospel writer know the words of that prayer?

a. Jesus left them written down under a rock
b. They were recorded on a primitive taping device
c. The gospel writer was psychic
d. The three disciples were later hypnotized and asked to recall the prayer


16. According to at least one sainted church father, one of the pleasures of the saved will be to behold the agony of the damned. What would be the best time of day in heaven for a mother to behold the agony of her only son?

a. Early in the morning before it gets too crowded
b. Mid-day when she can compare notes and share the celebration with other mothers
c. Late at night when she can enjoy the flames in starker contrast


17. In the Judeo-Christian tradition, we always look to the Bible as a guide. In this example, your teenage son has returned home from the prom intoxicated. The Bible's instruction is:

a. Sit him down for a heart to heart talk
b. Enroll him in AA
c. Take away his driving privilege for one month
d. Smash his head in with rocks


18. In this example, your son-in-law, returned from his honeymoon, has just told you he suspects your daughter was not a virgin on their wedding night. Wishing to abide by God's holy rules as laid out in the Bible, you should:

a. Ask him if he was a virgin before you do anything
b. Advise him to forgive her
c. Talk to your daughter
d. Go find those rocks


19. You are eating lunch at a crowded fast food restaurant, occupied mostly by children, when suddenly a gunman bursts in, screams "Do not question or test me," and sprays the room with bullets. Ten people are killed instantly, many more grievously wounded, but somehow you escape unharmed. His ammunition expended, the gunman collapses to the floor. What should you do?

a. Call the police and wait for them to arrive
b. Call the police and leave
c. Risk death by asking the gunman why he did it, even though he told you not to
d. Fall on your knees and give thanks and praise to the gunman for sparing your life


20. Why did God show his backside to Moses, as described in Holy Scripture, Ex.33:23?

a. He invented everything, and this was simply the first mooning
b. He was really ticked off when Moses dropped the tablets
c. He was piqued, having just discovered His almighty powers were useless against chariots of iron (Judges 1:19)
d. Moses was too serious and needed to lighten up a little


21. Jesus was God, and God knows all things, including all the medical knowledge that will ever be known. Why did Jesus blame demons for the case of epilepsy he cured?

a. He was suffering from a temporary case of "brain freeze"
b. The Aramaic word for "demon" is the same as the word for "cranial malfunction"
c. Neurology was not his specialty
d. In first-century Palestine, demons really did cause epilepsy. This affliction only began to be caused by anomalous electrochemical brain activity after about 1850 A.D.


22. This morning's paper carries a story about a suburban father who became so enraged with his disobedient children that he carried them both to the backyard pool where he drowned them, along with their puppy, their kitten, and their hamster. How should this father be treated?

a. He should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law
b. He should be banished from the town
c. He should be lynched to save the taxpayers' money
d. The townspeople should gather together to sing hymns of praise to him


23. This morning I started my day by insulting my mother in public, then punched out my father, my brother, and my sister. Then I gathered up all my clothes, sold them to a second-hand store, and with the proceeds bought a used Uzi and 50 rounds of ammunition. Next, I went down to the animal shelter and injected all the dogs with a drug that caused them to go insane and dive into the nearby canal where they all drowned. By this time I was hungry, so I went over to my neighbor's apple orchard and burned it down, because I wanted an orange and there weren't any. On the way home, I stopped at the local steel mill to discuss my philosophy of life with some of the guys. They laughed at me and said to stow it, so I tossed them all into the blast furnace. That night I discovered my son looking at a copy of Playboy. Concerned for his future welfare, I cut off his right hand. What historical character did my activities today most resemble?

a. Genghis Khan
b. Charles Manson
c. Adolph Hitler
d. Jesus Christ


24. Down through the ages, who has been most responsible for the medical discoveries that have relieved untold amounts of suffering and pain, and extended the length of that most sacred of creations, human life?

a. Medical doctors
b. Research biologists
c. Chemists
d. The Catholic Church


25. A great sadness has come into your life which you feel you cannot bear. A friend informs you of a free counseling service which has never failed to aid and comfort many others. You call the counselor; the phone rings and rings with no answer; you finally hang up. What is the most likely explanation?

a. The counselor is sitting by the phone but not answering in order to test your faith in him
b. The counselor always stands ready to hear your pleas for help, but sometimes the answer is "no"
c. The counselor will not answer because he wants you to profit by the spiritual strength that only comes through suffering
d. The counselor is not home



ESSAY QUESTION

While it is true that there have been and still are many different gods and many different religions, they are really just the various names by which various cultures approach the same God. Explain how and why each of the following is the same God:

Quetzalcoatl, who wants you to skin a young virgin alive, then put on the skin and dance;
Shiva, who wants you to pray over his penis;
Allah, who wants you to fly airliners into buildings;
Catholic God; who speaks directly through the Pope;
Baptist God, who most definitely does not;
Jesus, who wants you to castrate yourself to ensure arrival in heaven
Jehovah, who any day now, is going to kill everyone on the earth except for his Witnesses
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Re: Questionnaire for the Religious

Postby thegreekdog on Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:12 pm

DM, you may recognize this:

Unfortunately, to answer any of those questions we have to pretend that this thread isn't 100% intellectually dishonest.

Seriously, you want a debate about a subject, make some valid arguments. Then people will respond in kind.

But just serving up a mangled jumble of fallacies and non sequiturs (as you did here) is only going to get your thread trolled and your point of view mocked.

This thread was worthless before it even begun. Try a little harder next time.

I believe it applies here, don't you?
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Re: Questionnaire for the Religious

Postby Dancing Mustard on Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:20 pm

Ha ha!

Clever, but a miss I'm afraid.
thegreekdog wrote:Unfortunately, to answer any of those questions we have to pretend that this thread isn't 100% intellectually dishonest.

Feel free to point out the intellectual dishonesty behind the questions.

Unlike Bedub's earlier example, they're not actually based on false premises and assumptions, but are all valid analogies or direct questionings of theological works.

thegreekdog wrote:Seriously, you want a debate about a subject, make some valid arguments. Then people will respond in kind.

You assume that I (1) desire such a debate, and (2) believe that there is a valid debate to be had about organised religion.

Both assumptions that are in error I'm afraid.
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Re: Questionnaire for the Religious

Postby PLAYER57832 on Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:24 pm

If your questionaire proves anything, its that you have to understand a subject a bit to even ask intelligent questions ... and you don't.
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Re: Questionnaire for the Religious

Postby Dancing Mustard on Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:28 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:If your questionaire proves anything, its that you have to understand a subject a bit to even ask intelligent questions ... and you don't.

Ahhh, the 'indignant anger' response... that's always a fun one.

Now come on Player, you're a clever lass; tell me what it is that the author of this questionnaire didn't understand? Please point out to me why these demonstrations of logic failure and contradiction deeply embedded within Christian texts somehow reveal a lack of understanding? If they're so wildly off the mark, then explain to me why it is that they are so... or is that a task that you don't feel you're up to?

Or is your reply really just the "I don't agree, but I don't have a good rebuttal; so I'm just going to call you stupid/ignorant and pretend to be somehow superior, despite my failure to come up with a reasoned response" fallacy being wheeled out again?
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Re: Questionnaire for the Religious

Postby thegreekdog on Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:28 pm

Dancing Mustard wrote:1. Which of the following is the most compelling evidence for the existence of an intelligent and loving Designer?

a. A Caribbean sunset
b. The screams of a baby seal as it is torn apart by a shark
c. The first time your perfect new baby smiles at you
d. The speed of the Ebola virus converting an African child's organs into liquid


This is a direct question regarding a theological work? What theological work provides evidence for the existence of an intelligent and loving Designer? Further, assuming a theological work provides evidence for the existence of an intelligent and loving Designer, which of these four options is included in such theological work?

Dancing Mustard wrote:they're not actually based on false premises and assumptions


Actually, if you are an atheist, they are all based on false premises and assumptions.

Dancing Mustard wrote:You assume that I (1) desire such a debate


If you do not desire such a debate, then why did you begin this thread? If you don't want an actual debate, isn't this actually 100% intellectually dishonest?

Dancing Mustard wrote:2) believe that there is a valid debate to be had about organised religion.


I believe the "100% intellectually dishonest" applies here. Further, I'm not sure what any of these questions have to do with organized religion. They seem to be based more on the belief in a deity, whether such diety's disciples have an organized religion or not.
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Re: Questionnaire for the Religious

Postby Snorri1234 on Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:31 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
Dancing Mustard wrote:1. Which of the following is the most compelling evidence for the existence of an intelligent and loving Designer?

a. A Caribbean sunset
b. The screams of a baby seal as it is torn apart by a shark
c. The first time your perfect new baby smiles at you
d. The speed of the Ebola virus converting an African child's organs into liquid


This is a direct question regarding a theological work? What theological work provides evidence for the existence of an intelligent and loving Designer? Further, assuming a theological work provides evidence for the existence of an intelligent and loving Designer, which of these four options is included in such theological work?

Wait...why is it a direct question regarding a theological work?

If you do not desire such a debate, then why did you begin this thread? If you don't want an actual debate, isn't this actually 100% intellectually dishonest?

A questionairre is not the same as a request for debate.
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Re: Questionnaire for the Religious

Postby thegreekdog on Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:37 pm

Dancing Mustard wrote:Ahhh, the 'indignant anger' response... that's always a fun one.


Ooohhhhhh, this is what you were looking for! Now I see, you aren't really looking for a debate. You're looking to rip people who have faith in some sort of god, goddess, pantheon of same, higher powers, etc.

......
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How is that different than bedub's thread again?
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Re: Questionnaire for the Religious

Postby Dancing Mustard on Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:38 pm

thegreekdog wrote:This is a direct question regarding a theological work? What theological work provides evidence for the existence of an intelligent and loving Designer? Further, assuming a theological work provides evidence for the existence of an intelligent and loving Designer, which of these four options is included in such theological work?
1. Yes.
2. The Bible and many supplementary texts supporting its claims.
3. One and Three are frequently explicitly cited by 'creation scientists' in their treatises, options two and four are obliquely cited in those same texts.

Come on, don't play dumb on me again.

thegreekdog wrote:if you are an atheist, they are all based on false premises and assumptions.

Cheap sophist tactics.

All questions in the questionnaire are based on premises which are advanced as being true by several groups of advocates who claim that they can evidence that truth, therefore it's not intellectually dishonest to seek to test them with honest questions and analogies.

I'm afraid that language-twisting and epistemological game-playing isn't going to be quite a big enough speed-bump for you on this one.

thegreekdog wrote:If you do not desire such a debate, then why did you begin this thread? If you don't want an actual debate, isn't this actually 100% intellectually dishonest?

1. Because I desire an exchange of a different nature. Which you're delivering to me on a plate.
2. No. Because I never claimed to be after a debate.

I have to say, for a man who claims to have passed the bar your imagination and reading-comprehension skills appear to be letting you down rather severely on this one.

thegreekdog wrote:I'm not sure what any of these questions have to do with organized religion. They seem to be based more on the belief in a deity, whether such diety's disciples have an organized religion or not.

Again, reading comprehension.

I mean, I admire your commitment to hardcore sophistry and faux ignorance. But I'm pretty sure that you're not that incapable of reading between the, incredibly well spaced and obvious, lines here. In other words, pull the other on, it's got bells on it.
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Re: Questionnaire for the Religious

Postby Dancing Mustard on Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:39 pm

thegreekdog wrote:How is that different than bedub's thread again?

Because my questions aren't based on false premises, outright fallacies, non sequiturs, and bald assumptions. Furthermore, I do believe that Bedub appeared to be attempting to initiate a debate in his thread... all I'm asking for is for one of you theists to be brave enough to answer the questionnaire.

Do pay attention 007.
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Re: Questionnaire for the Religious

Postby thegreekdog on Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:44 pm

Dancing Mustard wrote:I mean, I admire your commitment to hardcore sophistry and faux ignorance. But I'm pretty sure that you're not that incapable of reading between the, incredibly well spaced and obvious, lines here. In other words, pull the other on, it's got bells on it.


My capability of reading between the lines is the reason I've posted what I've posted here.

In other words, I am confused as to why some find pleasure in winning debates against persons who are either of below-average intelligence, children, or who have faith in some sort of divine being. I find that it takes little effort on my part to win such a debate, which is why I question what you, Dancing Mustard, would get out of this. I find little difference between your attempt to make yourself feel better via this particular thread and the bully who picks on the small kid at school because daddy beats him every night.

In any event, if this is what you like, carry on...
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Re: Questionnaire for the Religious

Postby Dancing Mustard on Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:56 pm

thegreekdog wrote:I am confused as to why some find pleasure in winning debates against persons who are either of below-average intelligence, children, or who have faith in some sort of divine being.

I find it offensive that you've chosen to lump those three categories together... what on earth are you implying?

I mean, anybody would think that you're implying that theists are all idiots who blindly continue to cling to primitive stone-age delusions that are devoid of both truth or merit. Surely that can't be what you're saying... is it?

thegreekdog wrote:I find that it takes little effort on my part to win such a debate, which is why I question what you, Dancing Mustard, would get out of this.

Well personally, I think that all organised religions are complete shams and that their believers are being hoodwinked and deceived. What I get out of these exchanges is a sense of satisfaction from knowing that I've delivered a short sharp shock to a deluded individual (in the hope that if enough of these are delivered, logic and reality might begin to shine through the fog of religious brainwashing and cure the afflicted of their delusions) and left a small internet monument that will hopefully deliver similar short sharp shocks to similar others.

In other words; I'm trying to do the religious (especially the religious literalists) a favour by pointing out how untenable their fervently held points of view are.

thegreekdog wrote:I find little difference between your attempt to make yourself feel better via this particular thread and the bully who picks on the small kid at school because daddy beats him every night.

Wheeee!!!

And there's the big leap of faith and the complete departure from logic and sense.

Get a grip mate, this is nothing like the situation you describe. There's a difference in motive, a complete difference in the act (non-consensual violence / consensual argument), and a difference in end product derived from said exchange.

I mean, have fun slinging epithets all you like... but please don't imagine for a second that anybody other than persons who are of below-average intelligence, children, or who have faith in some sort of divine being aren't going to see through them.
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Re: Questionnaire for the Religious

Postby thegreekdog on Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:06 pm

Dancing Mustard wrote:I find it offensive that you've chosen to lump those three categories together... what on earth are you implying?

I mean, anybody would think that you're implying that theists are all idiots who blindly continue to cling to primitive stone-age delusions that are devoid of both truth or merit. Surely that can't be what you're saying... is it?


:lol:

Yeah, that's what I was intimating. I mean, really, most people "believe" because they "faith," not because they have proof. That's why it's easy to "beat" then in an argument. For example, I'm a practicing Roman Catholic. I won't engage in an argument about the existence of God, simply because I will always lose the argument. My belief is not based on fact, it's based on faith.

Dancing Mustard wrote:What I get out of these exchanges is a sense of satisfaction from knowing that I've delivered a short sharp shock to a deluded individual (in the hope that if enough of these are delivered, logic and reality might begin to shine through the fog of religious brainwashing and cure the afflicted of their delusions) and left a small internet monument that will hopefully deliver similar short sharp shocks to similar others.


Do you really think these people haven't heard all this before? Further, do you think it will really affect them in any way? Do you think someone will say, "You know what, DM is right, there is no proof that there's a God... therefore, I'm going to go atheist"? If so, you're a little more gullible than a religious.

Dancing Mustard wrote:Wheeee!!!

And there's the big leap of faith and the complete departure from logic and sense.

Get a grip mate, this is nothing like the situation you describe. There's a difference in motive, a complete difference in the act (non-consensual violence / consensual argument), and a difference in end product derived from said exchange.


Big leap of faith? I mean, you mention JJM in your original post. If this is the person you are targeting, it's nothing more than internet bullying. (in my humble opinion).
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Re: Questionnaire for the Religious

Postby john9blue on Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:27 pm

Atheists love their straw men. :roll:
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Re: Questionnaire for the Religious

Postby Snorri1234 on Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:44 pm

thegreekdog wrote: I mean, really, most people "believe" because they "faith," not because they have proof. That's why it's easy to "beat" then in an argument. For example, I'm a practicing Roman Catholic. I won't engage in an argument about the existence of God, simply because I will always lose the argument. My belief is not based on fact, it's based on faith.

Except that DM's questions aren't about facts and evidence but about internal consistency of your belief.
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Re: Questionnaire for the Religious

Postby HapSmo19 on Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:58 pm

thegreekdog wrote:If you do not desire such a debate, then why did you begin this thread? If you don't want an actual debate, isn't this actually 100% intellectually dishonest?


Maybe. But it was funny :lol:
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Re: Questionnaire for the Religious

Postby thegreekdog on Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:37 pm

To be fair, I'm being a complete jackass. It's fun to debate the merits of a question than the question itself. And DM will get his fun too. Because, after, all - "Verily said God unto the Macabees... thenceforth shall DancingMustard be given unto him people to mock."
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Re: Questionnaire for the Religious

Postby Frigidus on Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:43 pm

Dancing Mustard wrote:So, I've been chatting with my buddy JJM


I can't believe a post that started with that turned out to be rewarding in any way.
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Re: Questionnaire for the Religious

Postby Snorri1234 on Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:54 pm

Noone wants to answer it?
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Re: Questionnaire for the Religious

Postby Frigidus on Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:56 pm

Snorri1234 wrote:Noone wants to answer it?


To be fair, if anyone is answering it, they'll probably take a while.
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Re: Questionnaire for the Religious

Postby jonesthecurl on Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:29 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
Do you really think these people haven't heard all this before? Further, do you think it will really affect them in any way? Do you think someone will say, "You know what, DM is right, there is no proof that there's a God... therefore, I'm going to go atheist"? If so, you're a little more gullible than a religious.



Well, people DO change their mind.
Some people convert from one branch of christainity to another.
Some suddenly take their religion seriously and are "born again".
Some even convert from one religion to another.
Or a devout person will come to the conclusion taht it's all nonsense and become an atheist.

The third and the last have both happened to me, for example.
While this "questionnnaire" asks these questions in an amusing and deliberately confrontational manner, they are exactly the sort of questions that made me change my mind:
Assuming there is a god, what makes me think I know it's JHVH?
If Jesus is love, how come he acts like x ?
How could God be so mean as to do y ?
...and finally "isn't this a load of old bollox" ?

So there is apoint in repeating the same things.
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Re: Questionnaire for the Religious

Postby thegreekdog on Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:34 pm

jonesthecurl wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
Do you really think these people haven't heard all this before? Further, do you think it will really affect them in any way? Do you think someone will say, "You know what, DM is right, there is no proof that there's a God... therefore, I'm going to go atheist"? If so, you're a little more gullible than a religious.



Well, people DO change their mind.
Some people convert from one branch of christainity to another.
Some suddenly take their religion seriously and are "born again".
Some even convert from one religion to another.
Or a devout person will come to the conclusion taht it's all nonsense and become an atheist.

The third and the last have both happened to me, for example.
While this "questionnnaire" asks these questions in an amusing and deliberately confrontational manner, they are exactly the sort of questions that made me change my mind:
Assuming there is a god, what makes me think I know it's JHVH?
If Jesus is love, how come he acts like x ?
How could God be so mean as to do y ?
...and finally "isn't this a load of old bollox" ?

So there is apoint in repeating the same things.


I've seen it too. My point wasn't to generally dismiss the idea that people can change based on convincing. My point was to dismiss the specific idea that DancintMustard could convince others to abandon religion (which we all know he's not really trying to do... he's trying to rile em up!).
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Re: Questionnaire for the Religious

Postby jonesthecurl on Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:38 pm

Sure he is. Doesn't mean questions 5 and 7 for instance aren't valid questions though.
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Re: Questionnaire for the Religious

Postby targetman377 on Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:41 pm

dancing mustered your ability to piss people off amazes me :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Questionnaire for the Religious

Postby Snorri1234 on Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:45 pm

I don't think DM made the questions anyway.
"Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill."

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