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Re: 2011: The Year for Gay Rights?

Postby pimpdave on Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:24 pm

Well then why are gay activist groups organizing boycotts of the American Red Cross, which in turn reduces the blood supply to people in dire need? NPR mentioned one in Pittsburgh a few months ago. Meanwhile, I get post cards every week about the severe blood shortage. If they allowed me to donate more often than once every 58 days I would. It only takes 20 minutes.

You're just plain wrong Player. There is an issue, and it's one created by only 2% of the population, and they're convincing well qualified donors to keep from going.

I donate because my father did, and he said he did it because it was his civic duty to those in need (plus, we're both universal donors). And now some whiny entitled crybabies with a persecution complex come along and declare the Red Cross evil for trying to mitigate a serious health concern under the banner of civil fucking rights. A lot of people I know who regularly give blood resent those assholes because of it. It severely reduces any empathy for their other issues.

Why should I give a f*ck about homosexuals being bullied when they're bullying the Red Cross?
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Re: 2011: The Year for Gay Rights?

Postby PLAYER57832 on Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:34 pm

pimpdave wrote:Well then why are gay groups organizing boycotts of the American Red Cross, which in turn reduces the blood supply to people in dire need?

You're just plain wrong Player. There is an issue, and it's one created by only 2% of the fucking population, and they're convincing well qualified donors to keep from going.

Some people will protest anything, but why do you say I am wrong? I never said there were no complaints, I said that there is no mandate here. Some people have tried to say things like "gays are legally forbidden from donating". That is just plain false. Fact is, anyone who wants to can flat out lie on those forms without any real recrimination.

When you blame homosexuals en masse for depriving the Red Cross of blood, then you are very much feeding into the same type of hysteria you say is wrong on their part.

BigBallinStalin wrote:I donate because my father did, and he said he did it because it was his civic duty to those in need (plus, we're both universal donors). And now some whiny entitled crybabies with a persecution complex come along and declare the Red Cross evil for trying to mitigate a serious health concern under the banner of civil fucking rights. A lot of people I know who regularly give blood resent those assholes, and it seriously decreases any empathy.

LOL.. I have donated too, though not just to the Red Cross. I am also a universal donor (not just O , but O negative) and my mother and father each always donated. Plus, I have volunteered with the Red Cross (not in blood services, but with the people who do work blood services).

I have never seen a significant drop in donations, even around San Francisco, due to the gay rights complaints. I DO see other issues .. (too much money paid to administrators, other issues I don't want to get into here lest I drive this even further off topic). I also see plenty of people pointing fingers and blame at those they don't like. I was just surprised to see you chime in there, because I never thought you to be anti homosexual in any regard.
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Re: 2011: The Year for Gay Rights?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:08 pm

So, since the issue is a health concern, then doesn't the onus lie with blood-collecting organizations to make sure that their products are disease-free? Or to make sure that whoever donated blood gets punished for doing so?

It's likely (but not as likely) that a heterosexual has AIDS and donates because he doesn't care/doesn't know. There's another concern, but no one screams bloody murder about it. (The chances are probably higher too since roughly 95% of the US population is heterosexual).


The discrimination against gays seems arbitrary. If one counts the chances of AIDS-infected heterosexuals plus their vastly larger numbers infecting the blood supply, then it would seem to be higher than the chances from some percentage of homosexuals.
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Re: 2011: The Year for Gay Rights?

Postby pimpdave on Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:44 pm

Yeah, but anal sex transmits disease so much more easily (anal fissures). That's why AIDS still so much more common among homosexuals than heterosexuals. Same with people who share needles.

It's still a massive waste of resources to have to collect and dispose of HAZMAT though. It's safer and more efficient to do some screening first. Apparently homosexual blood causes problems too often to be worth it. Same as people who have sex for money or share needles. So the onus is really on homosexuals, prostitutes and junkies to just not donate. They can do other things to support the Red Cross if they really want to.

They don't need to make it harder for the Red Cross to save lives just because they want something to feel persecuted about.
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Re: 2011: The Year for Gay Rights?

Postby barackattack on Tue Jan 10, 2012 5:16 pm

>Complains about blood shortage in the US.
>Says that no homosexual should be allowed to give blood.

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Re: 2011: The Year for Gay Rights?

Postby pimpdave on Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:00 pm

The shortages have been in large part due to the foreign wars going on for so long.


And now they have to contend with homosexuals organizing boycotts of blood drives, because their precious little feelings are hurt, and they feel the need to bully a non-profit that saves lives.
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Re: 2011: The Year for Gay Rights?

Postby barackattack on Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:09 pm

If they cared about the blood that much then they'd spend the extra money screening the gay blood (fewer than 1% of actively gay men have HIV/AIDS).
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Re: 2011: The Year for Gay Rights?

Postby pimpdave on Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:18 pm

That's not the only disease to be concerned about, just the most lethal. And where's that stat coming from?
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Re: 2011: The Year for Gay Rights?

Postby barackattack on Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:20 pm

522 – 989 per 100,000 of men having sex with men have HIV/AIDS.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/doc ... 08comp.pdf
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Re: 2011: The Year for Gay Rights?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:29 pm

pimpdave wrote:Yeah, but anal sex transmits disease so much more easily (anal fissures). That's why AIDS still so much more common among homosexuals than heterosexuals. Same with people who share needles.

It's still a massive waste of resources to have to collect and dispose of HAZMAT though. It's safer and more efficient to do some screening first. Apparently homosexual blood causes problems too often to be worth it. Same as people who have sex for money or share needles. So the onus is really on homosexuals, prostitutes and junkies to just not donate. They can do other things to support the Red Cross if they really want to.

They don't need to make it harder for the Red Cross to save lives just because they want something to feel persecuted about.


If the risk of AIDS from anal fissures is the problem, then why not ask all potential blood donators if they engage in anal sex? If they yes, then they shouldn't be allowed to donate blood, right?
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Re: 2011: The Year for Gay Rights?

Postby PLAYER57832 on Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:40 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
pimpdave wrote:Yeah, but anal sex transmits disease so much more easily (anal fissures). That's why AIDS still so much more common among homosexuals than heterosexuals. Same with people who share needles.

It's still a massive waste of resources to have to collect and dispose of HAZMAT though. It's safer and more efficient to do some screening first. Apparently homosexual blood causes problems too often to be worth it. Same as people who have sex for money or share needles. So the onus is really on homosexuals, prostitutes and junkies to just not donate. They can do other things to support the Red Cross if they really want to.

They don't need to make it harder for the Red Cross to save lives just because they want something to feel persecuted about.


If the risk of AIDS from anal fissures is the problem, then why not ask all potential blood donators if they engage in anal sex? If they yes, then they shouldn't be allowed to donate blood, right?

That IS one of the screening questions, however, they have to be a tad discreet in how they ask it.
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Re: 2011: The Year for Gay Rights?

Postby PLAYER57832 on Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:43 pm

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pimpdave wrote:Yeah, but anal sex transmits disease so much more easily (anal fissures). That's why AIDS still so much more common among homosexuals than heterosexuals. Same with people who share needles.

It's still a massive waste of resources to have to collect and dispose of HAZMAT though. It's safer and more efficient to do some screening first. Apparently homosexual blood causes problems too often to be worth it. Same as people who have sex for money or share needles. So the onus is really on homosexuals, prostitutes and junkies to just not donate. They can do other things to support the Red Cross if they really want to.

They don't need to make it harder for the Red Cross to save lives just because they want something to feel persecuted about.
Where are you getting this information? I have never heard any such suggestion, except by anti-gay individuals/organizations.

That said, homosexuals are no longer the primary spreaders of AIDS. Heterosexual women have the highest numbers now. Partly, its because of education (and the fact that those who did not learn died off), partly its because there are just not quite as many homosexual men as heterosexual women.

BigBallinStalin wrote: If the risk of AIDS from anal fissures is the problem, then why not ask all potential blood donators if they engage in anal sex? If they yes, then they shouldn't be allowed to donate blood, right?

They do ask, but they have to be a tad discreet. The questions I have seen are usually "have you had unprotected sex with multiple partners", etc.
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Re: 2011: The Year for Gay Rights?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:48 pm

Oh, if that's true, then it's fine with me. If nearly all homosexuals are precluded from the donations because they fail to pass that question, then their defense becomes rather dodgy.

Since that settles the issue, then why explicitly deny homosexuals* from donating blood?

*assuming it only applies to gays. I don't think many lesbians get AIDS, but who knows).

Furthermore, if people were allowed to present Safe Anal Sex Practitioner Certificates (SASPCs), then that would be a probable avenue for sating their blood-giving desires...
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Re: 2011: The Year for Gay Rights?

Postby barackattack on Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:56 pm

You could make gays with HIV wear an armband, so that everyone knows who they are when they try to donate blood and can stop them immediately.

Although it'd probably be easier to just restrict their movements and living arrangements to one certain part of town, so that you could take blood in the other parts and never have to worry about a gay with HIV showing up.
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Re: 2011: The Year for Gay Rights?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:14 pm

Why do only those gays get to wear the HIV armbands and live in special parts of town? What about heterosexuals infected with HIV?! That's discriminatory.
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Re: 2011: The Year for Gay Rights?

Postby barackattack on Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:16 pm

Apparently heterosexual people with HIV can be trusted to stay away from blood donation. It's the gay people with HIV who need regulated like naughty children.
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Re: 2011: The Year for Gay Rights?

Postby PLAYER57832 on Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:16 am

BigBallinStalin wrote: Since that settles the issue, then why explicitly deny homosexuals* from donating blood?
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They are not excluded, at least from volunteer donations like the Red Cross, even assuming they answer the questions accurately (which is a whole other issue). Some locations may publically request that individuals engaging in risky behavior refrain from donating, but it is the behavior, not the person, targeted.
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Re: 2011: The Year for Gay Rights?

Postby pimpdave on Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:44 am

Which just emphasizes the problem, which is that homosexuals, under the guise of "civil rights activism" are attacking one of the greatest, most life saving charities in world history.

And then they whine and cry about how persecuted they are, and demand sympathy, as if they deserve any.
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Re: 2011: The Year for Gay Rights?

Postby PLAYER57832 on Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:05 am

pimpdave wrote:Which just emphasizes the problem, which is that homosexuals, under the guise of "civil rights activism" are attacking one of the greatest, most life saving charities in world history.

And then they whine and cry about how persecuted they are, and demand sympathy, as if they deserve any.

Except, you have yet to present evidence that this is truly happening on any scale. I mean, you will find people whining about all sorts of things. The biggest campaign against Red Cross has to do with administration costs, also there are issues with the cost of blood through the Red Cross and, to some extent, how the blood is allocated to various areas. None of these have to do with any homsexual whining, though. If this is such a wide-scale issue, I am wondering why its not more widely known.
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Re: 2011: The Year for Gay Rights?

Postby pimpdave on Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:26 pm

They keep organizing boycotts of blood drives on college campuses. They've succeeded at several campuses in Pennsylvania and New Jersey. I hear about it all the time. Homosexual groups go out and protest and try to convince people not to donate.

A couple times now on my way into a blood bank to give I've been accosted by some self-righteous homosexuals who apparently decided to set up shop outside the Red Cross building and shout at people.

You live in like, the boonies, Player. Maybe if you were in a metropolitan area you'd come across this yourself.
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Re: 2011: The Year for Gay Rights?

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:32 pm

Honestly, this is news to me, p-diddy.

Every group has idiots, so it's best not to conflate those few with the entire group of homosexuals.
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Re: 2011: The Year for Gay Rights?

Postby PLAYER57832 on Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:14 pm

pimpdave wrote:They keep organizing boycotts of blood drives on college campuses. They've succeeded at several campuses in Pennsylvania .

Where in PA? Have not heard of anything at State College, Edinborough, Slippery Rock, Carnegie Mellon, etc.

I am not saying it isn't happening, but it sounds like a group of whiners, not some mass campaign.
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Re: 2011: The Year for Gay Rights?

Postby Aradhus on Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:18 pm

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Re: 2011: The Year for Gay Rights?

Postby barackattack on Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:20 pm

I've seen black people on TV and what I wonder is why all the guns? I rarely hold a gun in my hands and even then it is for purely sporting purposes.
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Re: 2011: The Year for Gay Rights?

Postby pimpdave on Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:31 pm

Well, until the homosexual agenda stops attempting to shut down the Red Cross, no one should feel any sympathy for their perceived plight.

I think we can all agree on that.
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