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Re: Greece to Collapse Monday Afternoon

Postby saxitoxin on Wed May 12, 2010 5:58 pm

army of nobunaga wrote:lol, he also practically MADE me buy gold coins that he got at price back then. I have 12 gold coins that I have no idea what are worth now still. I did it jsut to shut him up... I wish to god I had bought more. I talk to him about 8 times a year still, and he is big enough not to say I told you so. He says now to invest in gold and other metal mines.


Ol' Saxi can't say why right now but he highly recommends you look to silver if planning on hoarding precious metals. If anyone here is very elderly like ol' Sax they'll remember the Silver Panic of 1980 created by those crazy Hunt Brothers ... you're not looking at anything like that but ... if it shines, you dine!
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Re: Greece to Collapse Monday Afternoon

Postby thegreekdog on Wed May 12, 2010 5:59 pm

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army of nobunaga wrote:lol, he also practically MADE me buy gold coins that he got at price back then. I have 12 gold coins that I have no idea what are worth now still. I did it jsut to shut him up... I wish to god I had bought more. I talk to him about 8 times a year still, and he is big enough not to say I told you so. He says now to invest in gold and other metal mines.


Yeah. I used to be that guy, trying to make my friends buy gold. Most of them called me an idiot and laughed. That was about the time I forced people to scream in my face "But real estate only goes up Scott, you big dummy!" followed by "Everyone knows that!!!"

After a while, I said f*ck em. They deserve it. Why would I want these kind of "doubters" to enjoy any financial benefit? The answer, I told myself, was "because they are fellow Americans". Simple as that


I still do not understand purchasing gold. Why? If the world collapses, I am not trading you anything for gold. You have food? Great, we'll trade. Gold? No, no trade. I can't eat gold. I can't f*ck gold. I can't drink gold. I can't make a gold house. Or can I? Hmm.
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Re: Greece to Collapse Monday Afternoon

Postby Phatscotty on Wed May 12, 2010 6:02 pm

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Phatscotty wrote:
army of nobunaga wrote:lol, he also practically MADE me buy gold coins that he got at price back then. I have 12 gold coins that I have no idea what are worth now still. I did it jsut to shut him up... I wish to god I had bought more. I talk to him about 8 times a year still, and he is big enough not to say I told you so. He says now to invest in gold and other metal mines.


Yeah. I used to be that guy, trying to make my friends buy gold. Most of them called me an idiot and laughed. That was about the time I forced people to scream in my face "But real estate only goes up Scott, you big dummy!" followed by "Everyone knows that!!!"

After a while, I said f*ck em. They deserve it. Why would I want these kind of "doubters" to enjoy any financial benefit? The answer, I told myself, was "because they are fellow Americans". Simple as that


I still do not understand purchasing gold. Why? If the world collapses, I am not trading you anything for gold. You have food? Great, we'll trade. Gold? No, no trade. I can't eat gold. I can't f*ck gold. I can't drink gold. I can't make a gold house. Or can I? Hmm.

nor can you do any of that with paper money or coin.....

I have NEVER gotten that argument either
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Re: Greece to Collapse Monday Afternoon

Postby saxitoxin on Wed May 12, 2010 6:04 pm

thegreekdog wrote:Gold? No, no trade. I can't f*ck gold.


Great point. For this reason ol' Sax also keeps several women (and one young man with delicate features) chained in the basement for barter purposes in case of an emergency.

Been doing that since I saw A Boy and His Dog.

These are necessities they won't teach you in any of your fancy survival classes.
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Re: Greece to Collapse Monday Afternoon

Postby Fruitcake on Wed May 12, 2010 6:13 pm

Phatscotty wrote:why no questions about how a 140 billion dollar package became a 1 trillion dollar package by the next morning?


I did say earlier in the thread...

The amusing thing about all this is that the 'rescue' package was only increased in size after Obama phoned Merkel and Sarkosy to say half measures would not cut the mustard. His ulterior motive, of course, was the concerns of the effect the half arsed measures originally in place were going to have on the US banks. They jumped to attention (yes, the dollar does still carry a heavy punch, get used to it if you don't like it) and although through the judicious use of weasel words avoided reference to this strong arming have fallen into line.
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Re: Greece to Collapse Monday Afternoon

Postby army of nobunaga on Wed May 12, 2010 7:50 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
army of nobunaga wrote:lol, he also practically MADE me buy gold coins that he got at price back then. I have 12 gold coins that I have no idea what are worth now still. I did it jsut to shut him up... I wish to god I had bought more. I talk to him about 8 times a year still, and he is big enough not to say I told you so. He says now to invest in gold and other metal mines.


Yeah. I used to be that guy, trying to make my friends buy gold. Most of them called me an idiot and laughed. That was about the time I forced people to scream in my face "But real estate only goes up Scott, you big dummy!" followed by "Everyone knows that!!!"

After a while, I said f*ck em. They deserve it. Why would I want these kind of "doubters" to enjoy any financial benefit? The answer, I told myself, was "because they are fellow Americans". Simple as that


I still do not understand purchasing gold. Why? If the world collapses, I am not trading you anything for gold. You have food? Great, we'll trade. Gold? No, no trade. I can't eat gold. I can't f*ck gold. I can't drink gold. I can't make a gold house. Or can I? Hmm.

nor can you do any of that with paper money or coin.....

I have NEVER gotten that argument either


people are always talking about the world collapsing and saving gold... I think the majority of gold buyers dont really think the world will collapse. I think the point is , I bought those coins at gold weight and they are worth over triple that atm. gold coins are just like stcks, except they are stocks you put in your underwear drawer.
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Re: Greece to Collapse Monday Afternoon

Postby Phatscotty on Wed May 12, 2010 8:47 pm

and gold acts inversely to paper currency. the weaker the currency, the more dollars it take to buy the same ounce of gold. only then can you start to consider the supply/demand aspect. its like a double expresso
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Re: Greece to Collapse Monday Afternoon

Postby BigBallinStalin on Thu May 13, 2010 3:24 am

saxitoxin wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:Gold? No, no trade. I can't f*ck gold.


Great point. For this reason ol' Sax also keeps several women (and one young man with delicate features) chained in the basement for barter purposes in case of an emergency.

Been doing that since I saw A Boy and His Dog.

These are necessities they won't teach you in any of your fancy survival classes.


Do you occasionally let them go outside? Hopefully you do, otherwise the merchandise decreases in quality over the years.
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Re: Greece to Collapse Monday Afternoon

Postby Minister Masket on Thu May 13, 2010 7:03 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:Gold? No, no trade. I can't f*ck gold.


Great point. For this reason ol' Sax also keeps several women (and one young man with delicate features) chained in the basement for barter purposes in case of an emergency.

Been doing that since I saw A Boy and His Dog.

These are necessities they won't teach you in any of your fancy survival classes.


Do you occasionally let them go outside? Hopefully you do, otherwise the merchandise decreases in quality over the years.

Somehow I don't think their lack of vitamin D is going to be the biggest issue. :D

Anyway, the markets should start strongly now that we have a governement again.
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Re: Greece to Collapse Monday Afternoon

Postby PLAYER57832 on Fri May 14, 2010 9:56 am

An interesting (and quite understandable) story, even a bit funny (in a "dry" way).

story: (for Greece, breaking the Orbital pull of stupid)
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Re: Greece to Collapse Monday Afternoon

Postby DeltaFormation on Fri May 14, 2010 11:15 am

thegreekdog wrote:I still do not understand purchasing gold. Why? If the world collapses, I am not trading you anything for gold. You have food? Great, we'll trade. Gold? No, no trade. I can't eat gold. I can't f*ck gold. I can't drink gold. I can't make a gold house. Or can I? Hmm.


Really? And how would you get that food? Would you barter? Bring your farm animals into the market? What about if your skills are as a construction worker? How can you buy anything? IOUs? How would that work?

Gold would be a medium just like paper money is now and it also has sentimental value to many people throughout the world.

It might not be useful in an apocalypse like situation where the whole world is devastated but it's worth something if the world is just in chaos.


And Greece is not saved, just wait a few months to a year down the road and we'll see problems resurface and a whole new plan will be needed.
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Re: Greece to Collapse Monday Afternoon

Postby saxitoxin on Fri May 14, 2010 11:22 am

DeltaFormation wrote:
And Greece is not saved, just wait a few months to a year down the road and we'll see problems resurface and a whole new plan will be needed.


Top-drawer, Delta!

But, first, Brussels (or Berlin, which is the capital these days?) will announce the reason for bailout-2 is because the first bailout was such a success (it will never be because it didn't work the first time).

This is like the Americans and their periodic subsidies to Detroit automakers (always while simultaneously complaining about Airbus subsidies, of course) ... though, admittedly, on a much larger, more destructive scale.
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Re: Greece to Collapse Monday Afternoon

Postby Fruitcake on Mon May 17, 2010 6:43 am

In on the newswire.

ATHENS, Greece (AP) -- Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou declared he is not ruling out taking legal action against U.S. investment banks for their role in creating the spiraling Greek debt crisis. (Well it had to happen didn't it. Interesting that they don't mention the European banks, who are actually into them for more than the US banks. Fc)

Both the Greek government and its citizens have blamed international banks for fanning the flames of the debt crisis with comments about Greece's likely default, actions that are causing the country's borrowing costs to soar.

"I wouldn't rule out that (legal action) might be a recourse. But we need to let due process (take its course) and then make our judgments once we get the results from the investigations," Papandreou said in a CNN interview broadcast Sunday. (Yawn city Pappy, we'll still keep shorting greek debt and the Euro...get used to it. Fc)

He did not elaborate further on any actions against U.S. banks. (Sounds familiar. Fc)

Papandreou also said a parliamentary investigation will examine the rapid swelling of Greece's debt and international banking practices to examine whether the financial sector engaged in "fraud and lack of transparency." (That's rich coming from an EU Govt. Fc)

The European Union and the International Monetary fund have approved a euro110 billion ($136 billion) bailout package for Greece. In addition, European nations have created a euro750 billion ($1 trillion) rescue package to protect the euro, the common currency of 16 European nations, including Greece. (Keep the moolah coming boys, the markets are licking their lips for the feast to come. Fc)

The Greek leader also urged more regulation of the markets which, in his view, are now betting against the European governments that have poured billions into them since the global financial crisis began in 2008. (He's quick isn't he! Fc)

Papandreou also tried to counter criticism, expressed mainly in Germany, that Greeks are getting a free ride and rejected widespread international skepticism about Greece's ability to pay back its loans. Greek debt is scheduled to exceed 140 percent of its economic output in 2012. (More of the same please! Fc)

"We are paying back the loans we are getting ... this saying that 'we are handing out money to Greece' is not true," he told the CNN show "Fareed Zakaria GPS." "It is very easy to scapegoat Greece and Greece bashing very often gets entangled in regional politics." (Huh? you're the guys in control who allowed this to happen while you fudged the books for years! get a grip. Fc)

He insisted his government has made the unpopular but necessary decision to implement austerity measures.

"We are ready to make the changes ... we have made our mistakes. We are living up to this responsibility. But at the same time, give us a chance," Papandreou said.

Still, another top German economist expressed doubts Sunday about Greece's ability to repay.

Deutsche Bank AG's Chief Executive Josef Ackermann created an uproar Thursday for mentioning the possibility that Greece might have to restructure its debt -- but Dekabank's chief economist, Ulrich Kater, was quoted as agreeing with him Sunday in the German news website Handelsblatt.

"It will be very, very difficult for Greece to orderly repay its debt," Kater was quoted as saying, adding that Greece's new austerity measures and its lack of competitiveness were dooming the country's prospects for economic growth, making debt reduction difficult.

(The Greek Govt is way off the pace, some one needs to tell them they have zero chance of suing the Banks and winning, after all, the Banks own the Governments now....the Greeks were told this by memo, but it got lost amongst all the memos flooding in from Brussles on a daily basis!)
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Re: Greece to Collapse Monday Afternoon

Postby Fruitcake on Mon May 17, 2010 6:59 am

The rot spreads!

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Euro slides amid Euroepan debt crisis
By PAN PYLAS , 05.17.10, 07:38 AM EDT

LONDON -- The euro fell further from grace Monday, hitting a four-year low against the dollar amid growing fears European governments won't be able to keep a government debt crisis from damaging the continent's economy.

By early afternoon, London time, the euro was trading 0.3 percent lower on the day at $1.2320 as finance ministers from the EU gather in Brussels to try to restore confidence and ward off a full-fledged financial meltdown.

Earlier the 16-country euro had fallen to $1.2237 - its lowest since April 2006 - meaning it had fallen nearly 10 cents in the space of a week.

The shared currency has now fallen a staggering 12 percent over the past week in spite of the massive euro750 billion 'shock and awe' financial rescue package unveiled last weekend from the EU, together with the International Monetary Fund.

The slide comes as Europe's leaders are saying that the loan backstop isn't enough and that goverments must take drastic steps to get debt under control - and shore up the fundamental rules that govern their 11-year-old currency.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel conceded over the weekend that package was no more than a band-aid solution to the problems afflicting a number of eurozone countries, from Ireland all the way across to Greece.

Here we go, here we go, here we go, here we go, here we go, here we goooooo..with due respect to the football fans.....luvvly jubbly
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Re: Greece to Collapse Monday Afternoon

Postby spurgistan on Mon May 17, 2010 7:59 am

thegreekdog wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
army of nobunaga wrote:lol, he also practically MADE me buy gold coins that he got at price back then. I have 12 gold coins that I have no idea what are worth now still. I did it jsut to shut him up... I wish to god I had bought more. I talk to him about 8 times a year still, and he is big enough not to say I told you so. He says now to invest in gold and other metal mines.


Yeah. I used to be that guy, trying to make my friends buy gold. Most of them called me an idiot and laughed. That was about the time I forced people to scream in my face "But real estate only goes up Scott, you big dummy!" followed by "Everyone knows that!!!"

After a while, I said f*ck em. They deserve it. Why would I want these kind of "doubters" to enjoy any financial benefit? The answer, I told myself, was "because they are fellow Americans". Simple as that


I still do not understand purchasing gold. Why? If the world collapses, I am not trading you anything for gold. You have food? Great, we'll trade. Gold? No, no trade. I can't eat gold. I can't f*ck gold. I can't drink gold. I can't make a gold house. Or can I? Hmm.


You should be talking to Prescott Financial

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Re: Greece to Collapse Monday Afternoon

Postby PLAYER57832 on Mon May 17, 2010 9:04 am

Gold is a decent investment now. It increases in value not just because of history, but its uses in electronics, etc. However, your ability to carry any quantity is seriously limited.

Truth is, your best security in a disaster is to know and take care of your neighbors. A community can always stand stronger than an individual.. I don't care what kind of arsenol you think you have.
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Re: Greece to Collapse Monday Afternoon

Postby BigBallinStalin on Mon May 17, 2010 12:11 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:Gold is a decent investment now. It increases in value not just because of history, but its uses in electronics, etc. However, your ability to carry any quantity is seriously limited.

Truth is, your best security in a disaster is to know and take care of your neighbors. A community can always stand stronger than an individual.. I don't care what kind of arsenol you think you have.


Not sure about this one.


AK47 with 500 rounds or two neighbors armed with sticks? Hmm....
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Re: Greece to Collapse Monday Afternoon

Postby bedub1 on Mon May 17, 2010 12:29 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:Gold is a decent investment now. It increases in value not just because of history, but its uses in electronics, etc. However, your ability to carry any quantity is seriously limited.

Truth is, your best security in a disaster is to know and take care of your neighbors. A community can always stand stronger than an individual.. I don't care what kind of arsenol you think you have.


Not sure about this one.


AK47 with 500 rounds or two neighbors armed with sticks? Hmm....

but if your neighbors have guns too, you are better working together than apart. I think canned food and bottled water and gallons of gas will be the most valuable trading items. Gold is useless.
Fully charged batteries are quite helpful too.
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Re: Greece to Collapse Monday Afternoon

Postby BigBallinStalin on Mon May 17, 2010 2:52 pm

bedub1 wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:Gold is a decent investment now. It increases in value not just because of history, but its uses in electronics, etc. However, your ability to carry any quantity is seriously limited.

Truth is, your best security in a disaster is to know and take care of your neighbors. A community can always stand stronger than an individual.. I don't care what kind of arsenol you think you have.


Not sure about this one.


AK47 with 500 rounds or two neighbors armed with sticks? Hmm....

but if your neighbors have guns too, you are better working together than apart. I think canned food and bottled water and gallons of gas will be the most valuable trading items. Gold is useless.
Fully charged batteries are quite helpful too.


but if my neighbors were vulnerable to a zombie assault...
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Re: Greece to Collapse Monday Afternoon

Postby thegreekdog on Mon May 17, 2010 6:11 pm

DeltaFormation wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:I still do not understand purchasing gold. Why? If the world collapses, I am not trading you anything for gold. You have food? Great, we'll trade. Gold? No, no trade. I can't eat gold. I can't f*ck gold. I can't drink gold. I can't make a gold house. Or can I? Hmm.


Really? And how would you get that food? Would you barter? Bring your farm animals into the market? What about if your skills are as a construction worker? How can you buy anything? IOUs? How would that work?

Gold would be a medium just like paper money is now and it also has sentimental value to many people throughout the world.

It might not be useful in an apocalypse like situation where the whole world is devastated but it's worth something if the world is just in chaos.


And Greece is not saved, just wait a few months to a year down the road and we'll see problems resurface and a whole new plan will be needed.


I would barter, yes. Is there something wrong with bartering? It would also be useful to have some guns. And then I could just take your gold, and your food, and your women. Kind of like how the government works.
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Re: Greece to Collapse Monday Afternoon

Postby PLAYER57832 on Tue May 18, 2010 2:37 pm

You can keep your gold. My neighbors and I will be growing vegetables and animals... all quite well protected.
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Re: Greece to Collapse Monday Afternoon

Postby Pedronicus on Fri May 21, 2010 10:15 am

Judging by this picture, Angela Merkel could be a Sith Lord..

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Re: Greece to Collapse Monday Afternoon

Postby Fruitcake on Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:07 pm

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army of nobunaga wrote:rofl... in 2 weeks I may be buying euro after it bottoms out. You guys helping feed the paranoia will make me money. Frankly, I do not understand the euro in that I dont get why so many countries thought it was a good Idea... I never will, because it was not a great idea. But those said countries for whatever reason really believe in the EU. It will not fail. Im sorry.


euro is at a 14 or 15 month low atm.. I think it will hit its rock bottom soon... 2-3 weeks after the paranoia lifts.. then it will be time to invest


Your time scales are way out. 2-3 weeks? I would still be shorting it at that point.


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army of nobunaga wrote:time will tell which of us is right, i believe it will hit its bottom soon, the same people that had it when it was much higher, will get over tha paranoia and buy back more soon.


Well I do hope you didn't follow your predictions with hard cash. I have sat waiting for the bottom and it ain't anywhere near yet (even though the Euro keeps sliding down that greasy pole of value).

Apropos all this I see the dear Greeks will get an uplift in their economy this week as Athens is invaded by the bureaucrats of the European Commission, the IMF and the ECB who are all in Athens this week to check up on Greek promises to reduce their deficit.

The spreads against the Bund (presently 2.57% yield) are now:

Greece 6.03%
Portugal 2.73%
Spain 2.01%
Italy 1.69%

Alarmingly the Italian spread has tightened. The upside is that the Greek spread has remained stubbornly above 6%
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Re: Greece to Collapse Monday Afternoon

Postby ViperOverLord on Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:20 pm

saxitoxin wrote:Late last night zerohedge reported ...

Greek Curve Goes Apeshit: Bloomberg Reports 3 Month Bid At 21.3%

If this information is correct, it is all over. Bloomberg calculates the yield on the Greek 3 Month as determined by the bid, or where investors are willing to buy it, based on BVAL sources at 21.3%. In all honesty the bid/offer market in the 3 Month are all over the place. HDAT gives it as 99.650x99.840, BVAL is at 99.470x99.773. The HDAT bid implies a yield of 14.049%, which is still game over for Greece.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/greek- ... th-bid-213


Expect riots in Athens by late Monday or Tuesday at the latest as Greek banks begin shutting-off ATMs. If the EU does not immediately expel Greece next week we are looking at systemic failure throughout the Eurozone and the collapse of the euro. If the EU does expel Greece next week we are looking at a military coup in Athens.

Either way, hotel rates in Greece should make it an attractive and affordable destination for summer holiday bookings so hold-off on making your holiday plans until the end of the month.


I say this as an American. We are on the same exact course.
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Re: Greece to Collapse Monday Afternoon

Postby 2dimes on Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:55 pm

My brother inlaw just went to Spain via Italy and France. He liked spain by far the best. Any idea when property values will hit a low there. Should I wait for the riots to cull the heard of some of the scum?
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