Biden fakes downing a Balloon in Alaska!!!

[karel]

this all just proves how weak he is,and shows he is in bed with china

[mookiemcgee]

I like this version of the truth! Everything checks out, except the part about 'ignoring' birds. Maybe it's because the gov't already has full GPS tracking of it's birds. That still doesn't explain why they wouldn't still want to keep track of all birds in the sky in case some of them were Chinese or Russian gov't birds.

Or maybe because

Thank you for helping to bring attention to the great bird genocide of the last century.

[ConfederateSS]

---------Oh No ...All middle fingers disappeared from Humans a century ago...Damn ...New Yorkers will have to start giving people the PINKY... ... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[GaryDenton]

You guys are such a joke. He doesn't shoot down the balloon, you complain that he's not defending the airspace. He shoots down the balloon, you complain that it wasn't real. He fulfills the terms of the NORAD agreement and sends American planes into action to defend Canadian airspace as the treaty requires, you complain that he's doing Trudeau's bidding.

Let's face it: no matter what happens you'll find a way to twist it into something to complain about.

Yes.

[ConfederateSS]

-------------Not complaining Duk...Just stating facts....
----------- Trudeau Loves Castro.....
----------- The Biden family is owned by China...
----------- A Spy device Is tracked by NORAD...taking off from China...Goes into Alaska, nothing done, Into Canada, nothing done...Goes into Montana, a regular U.S. Citizen sees it, Now Biden has to try and cover for China...The Spy Balloon maneuvers over U.S. Nuclear sites...Biden does nothing...It goes through more states... Collecting information, sending it back to China...The mission over as it enters the Atlantic Ocean...Now Biden shoots it Down...
---------- State of the Union Speech, Biden says much about nothing, about China, no talk about the Spy Balloon...
---------- Remember, NORAD tracked The Spy Balloon from China to South Carolina/Atlantic Ocean.....
---------- All of a sudden....An Object appears over Alaska, Biden shots it down...NORAD doesn't know where it came from...
---------- Next day Another Object appears over Canada....Biden and Trudeau have it shot down...Once again NORAD has no idea where it came from...
---------- NORAD once again gets Object in Montana skies.... Doesn't know where it comes from...Still looking...All in the flight path of previous Main Territories that the 1st Chinese Spy Balloon took.... That's not suspicious at all...A questionable reasonable thought one might have...Right Duk.... Because, the 1st Chinese Spy Balloon should of been shot down over As soon as it reached Alaskan waters...2 weeks ago...The American and Canadian public should of been informed....We sure as Hell had COVID , Informed on us....So those Commie Lovin Pinkos could control every aspect of our lives(or try to... )...Still think no big deal eh???... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[jimboston]

I would just like to congratulate the Air Force on the F-22 finally getting its first confirmed air-to-air kill this week!

The company I work for has a couple groups that develop and simulate radar systems. In fact, the group I lead develops algorithms for modeling and simulating various electromagnetic phenomenology, and we have an ongoing effort to predict uncertainty in radar signatures of certain types of objects. There is a lot of noise about multiple balloons entering US airspace during the Trump administration, with Trump officials denying that they heard anything about it. The noise ranges from political attacks, to conspiracy theories, to dereliction of duty. In reality, it's none of those things. The radar systems have discrimination algorithms built into them so that they identify potential threats and ignore things like birds and clouds. It's likely the radar noticed the prior balloons and recorded "something" but had no idea how to classify that something. The one earlier this week was finally properly identified. It's even conceivable that part of the reason it was allowed to traverse so much of the US airspace was to obtain a much larger training dataset for various radar and threat detection systems. And now that the detection systems have a proper identification for that unknown signature, a review of prior detection events highlighted multiple other balloon incursions that are only now correctly identified.

Logical… makes sense.

Is it absolutely 100% fact… we don;t know but it makes sense.

Now that the algorithm is ‘smarter’ it’s finding this shit faster.

[jimboston]

I would just like to congratulate the Air Force on the F-22 finally getting its first confirmed air-to-air kill this week!

The company I work for has a couple groups that develop and simulate radar systems. In fact, the group I lead develops algorithms for modeling and simulating various electromagnetic phenomenology, and we have an ongoing effort to predict uncertainty in radar signatures of certain types of objects. There is a lot of noise about multiple balloons entering US airspace during the Trump administration, with Trump officials denying that they heard anything about it. The noise ranges from political attacks, to conspiracy theories, to dereliction of duty. In reality, it's none of those things. The radar systems have discrimination algorithms built into them so that they identify potential threats and ignore things like birds and clouds. It's likely the radar noticed the prior balloons and recorded "something" but had no idea how to classify that something. The one earlier this week was finally properly identified. It's even conceivable that part of the reason it was allowed to traverse so much of the US airspace was to obtain a much larger training dataset for various radar and threat detection systems. And now that the detection systems have a proper identification for that unknown signature, a review of prior detection events highlighted multiple other balloon incursions that are only now correctly identified.

Logical… makes sense…

Is it absolutely 100% truth or fact… we don’t know, but at least there is some logica and brains in this comment and it’s one of the better posts I’ve read.

I was suspecting we were ignoring the balloon(s) on purpose in order to let China believe our defenses were weaker than they are, but this makes a little more sense.

[Dukasaur]

Just stating facts....

Seem to me more like suppositions than facts. Let's take them one by one.

----------- Trudeau Loves Castro.....

Trudeau's parents were friends with Castro, so Trudeau would have grown up on positive terms with him. Doesn't mean love. Do you know some friends of your parents? You probably are on friendly terms with them, too. Does that mean you love them?

Other than during his childhood, Trudeau (the younger) really didn't have anything to do with Castro.

In any case, Castro's been dead for almost seven years. This is relevant to the balloon saga how?

----------- The Biden family is owned by China...

I've seen absolutely zero evidence for this. It's a trope that's constantly repeated by right-wing talking heads, but as far as I can tell it's just BS.

----------- A Spy device Is tracked by NORAD...taking off from China...Goes into Alaska, nothing done, Into Canada, nothing done...Goes into Montana, a regular U.S. Citizen sees it, Now Biden has to try and cover for China...The Spy Balloon maneuvers over U.S. Nuclear sites...Biden does nothing

How do you know they were doing nothing?

• How do you know they weren't, as Doc Brown has posted, studying the radar signature from different angles and in different atmospheric conditions, in order to get better at identifying it in the future?
• How do you know they weren't recording all of the balloon's communications in order to gather lots of material for breaking Chinese radio encryption?
• How do you know they weren't in behind-the-scenes diplomatic conversations, trying to see if they could get concessions from China in exchange for letting it live?
• Or how do you know they wanted to be really sure that it was a spy program and not a weather research station off course as the Chinese claimed? Would have had egg on their face if they shot it down without proof and then it turned out the Chinese were telling the truth.
• How do you know there wasn't some fancy false-flag stuff going on, with false information being planted at the sites it was surveying?
• Or how do you know they hadn't already succeeded at giving China some false intelligence, and were waiting to see if the balloon would go to the right places to confirm the false facts?
• How do you know the whole thing wasn't being used as a golden opportunity for not only studying the Chinese tech but also in (for instance) training radar operators in how to interpret it?

I can think of a dozen things they might have been doing. One thing I'm pretty sure they weren't doing is 'nothing'.

You don't like Biden. I get that. But just step back from thinking politically for a minute and consider that this was above all the baby of Air Force Intelligence -- officers who are not political appointees but for the most part got to their positions by knowing their job. Biden may have had the final word but he would have relied very heavily on the advice of the intelligence community and especially the Air Force. If they said to Biden, "let's study this thing for a few days and see what we can find out. It can't hurt us, and there's a lot of things we'd like to find out about it" it makes sense that he would have listened.

---------- State of the Union Speech, Biden says much about nothing, about China, no talk about the Spy Balloon...

Biden said, “if China threatens our sovereignty, we will act to protect our country,". That's clearly a reference to the shooting down of the balloon for anyone who actually was paying attention. So much so that China's Foreign Ministry has complained about it.

---------- All of a sudden....An Object appears over Alaska, Biden shots it down...NORAD doesn't know where it came from...

Maybe they know, but can't confirm without revealing secret information.

Or maybe they really don't know, but because of all the political heat due to the other incident they're being extra paranoid now.

Both are possibilities.

---------- Next day Another Object appears over Canada....Biden and Trudeau have it shot down...Once again NORAD has no idea where it came from...

Again, same two possibilities. Maybe they know perfectly well, but can't tell us without revealing secrets that need to stay hidden. Or maybe they really don't know but are being especially paranoid due to the political heat the first balloon generated.

I'm willing to consider both possibilities.

Either way, it's not a political issue. It would be the same two possibilities if anyone else was in office.

---------- NORAD once again gets Object in Montana skies.... Doesn't know where it comes from...Still looking...

Funny thing about tracking things in the sky... it's not 100%. Clouds and other atmospheric events make a difference.

Birds, meteorites, smoke from chimneys have all led to false alarms by air defense.

Under water, too. Have you heard the saga of the Swedish navy chasing Russian subs that turned out to be fish farts?

Because, the 1st Chinese Spy Balloon should of been shot down over As soon as it reached Alaskan waters...2 weeks ago.

Again, there were many good reasons not to go off the deep end about it. See the list above.

The American and Canadian public should of been informed...

Why? NORAD tracks 2000 UFOs a year. That's six every day. Do you want a press conference for each and every one? After the third one, do you think anyone would care?

We sure as Hell had COVID , Informed on us....So those Commie Lovin Pinkos could control every aspect of our lives(or try to.

Really no idea what you're trying to say here. Do you mean you wish they hadn't told us about Covid? Pretty big secret to try keeping, lol.

I'm sorry you feel you're being controlled. I find my life is mostly very free. Maybe you should move here...

I mean, I know they pass some stupid laws, but for the most part they have no effect on me. The last time I felt the law really hurt me was in 2001, when Ontario banned smoking in the workplace. I was still a smoker back then, and it was stressful for me. For the most part I ignored the law and kept smoking at work, always worrying that the next tap on my shoulder would be from Bylaw Enforcement. But I guess I got lucky, never got caught, and then in 2009 I quit smoking. Now I'm 13 1/2 years smoke free, and I'm kinda glad they've taken a hard line against smoking. Because I still get the odd craving, even after 13 1/2 years, and if cigarettes weren't so expensive, if they were staring me in the face in the grocery checkout like they used to, if the ads bombarded me in magazines as they used to, I know I might at some point have relapsed. I know I'm being a hypocrite of sorts, but I'm glad for those laws, and for the suckers still smoking, too bad. But this is becoming a digression, lol.

[HitRed]

Balloon incursions might be a daily event.

Weather balloons are launched around the world for observations used to diagnose current conditions as well as by human forecasters and computer models for weather forecasting. Between 900 and 1,300 locations around the globe do routine releases, two or four times daily, usually at 0000 UTC and 1200 UTC. Some facilities will also do occasional supplementary special releases when meteorologists determine there is a need for additional data between the 12-hour routine launches in which time much can change in the atmosphere. Military and civilian government meteorological agencies such as the National Weather Service in the US typically launch balloons, and by international agreements almost all the data are shared with all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_balloon

[ConfederateSS]

----------O.K...that was me, I was enjoying a nice day on the Lake... Shooting my model rocket I got for Christmas...As it was parachuting back to Earth...They shot it down... ...It's a Turkey shoot over North American skies now... .....Those dumb asses at Fox(I will call out anyone)...They have Detroit/Windsor ,bottom right map of Michigan,marked as spot of downed object...When they should have Where the Upper and Lower Peninsulas meet...I'll say it, stupid asses...How hard is it to get a map right ???...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...
--------But for Real....It is the object they were tracking yesterday over Montana....So Kansas should be next...As we play...Where in North America next???

[HitRed]

[HitRed]

If history is a guide…


Japanese Balloon Bombs

[jonesthecurl]

Well, you've got good taste in comics anyhow.

[ConfederateSS]

------- Didn't mean to zip passed you Duk...
---------- Trudeau is trying to be Castro....That is what is sad.... Canada is a Wonderful Country, the people are Awesome...You guys deserve better...than Trudeau....
---------- You have to admit(you left that out of your response)...like I said, a questionable reasonable person...Can look...Biden , Trudeau like what China is doing...They never speak out(Biden anyway)(you can confirm Baby Castro)... Against China....We knew the 1st one was from China,they did nothing until it was too late....The new objects ,have no confirmed launch...Have appeared ,..Right where the 1st balloon should have been downed...To make Biden, to some extent Trudeau look good???...Mighty suspicious....
---------- I will admit one thing to you, I believe the Pentagon is not telling the White House,who ever is in charge, important stuff..Never trust the Military...On top of that we have Mr. China pockets...To be Honest, I want Trump in 2024 A.D...Just because he has a chance to tie Grover Cleveland...Win,Lose,Win..Could be the last person to do it..Not because he is Republican...As humans they both suck, But Trump did do everything he said he would do if elected, He did something in the Middle East no one thought of...Make peace with Israel, economic, not political...It worked...I will defend Biden, He is The President of The United States...If someone was shooting at him...I would get in the way...There is an Election every 4 years, if you don't like the one in charge...You go to the ballot box..... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[DirtyDishSoap]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/12/us/politics/us-shoots-down-object-michigan.html

Fed, sometimes i really question your logic and reasoning.

You wouldn't want to shoot down an object without knowing it's contents. Safest route was shooting that first balloon over the coast then say, a populated city. Not sure why i would have to explain that. Lol.

[HitRed]

The Last American Ace:

R. Steve Ritchie fifty one years ago in August 1972


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Seventy-seven flying aces in World War I were each credited with destroying five or more balloons, and thus were balloon aces.

——-

Never heard of this one

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Outward

[Dukasaur]

Never heard of this one

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Outward

Neither had I. That is so cool!

[jimboston]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/12/us/politics/us-shoots-down-object-michigan.html

Fed, sometimes i really question your logic and reasoning.

You wouldn't want to shoot down an object without knowing it's contents. Safest route was shooting that first balloon over the coast then say, a populated city. Not sure why i would have to explain that. Lol.

It’s loaded with Anthrax from China… let’s shoot it down… preferably over a stream that feeds a drinking water reservior.

Fuckin idiots

China will send spy balloons, because countries don’t go to war over spies.

China won’t send bomb balloons… unless they plan to follow them up with sending (and receiving) ICBMs.

[mookiemcgee]

Hey so balloons are cool... But umm... I hope any of you in East Ohio/West Penn are doing ok and staying inside with air-filters running.

For those of you that don't know, bird-drones derailed a train and then set fire to the chemicals that leaked and a whole lot of people are going are probably going grow third eyes.

[Dukasaur]

Hey so balloons are cool... But umm... I hope any of you in East Ohio/West Penn are doing ok and staying inside with air-filters running.

For those of you that don't know, bird-drones derailed a train and then set fire to the chemicals that leaked and a whole lot of people are going are probably going grow third eyes.

Funny how life imitates art. Remember I told you to watch White Noise?

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=239104#p5273440

[mookiemcgee]

Hey so balloons are cool... But umm... I hope any of you in East Ohio/West Penn are doing ok and staying inside with air-filters running.

For those of you that don't know, bird-drones derailed a train and then set fire to the chemicals that leaked and a whole lot of people are going are probably going grow third eyes.

Funny how life imitates art. Remember I told you to watch White Noise?

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=239104#p5273440

Yeah thats nuts, they filled it like right where this happened. Truly insane

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/11/health/o ... index.html

[saxitoxin]

Hey so balloons are cool... But umm... I hope any of you in East Ohio/West Penn are doing ok and staying inside with air-filters running.

For those of you that don't know, bird-drones derailed a train and then set fire to the chemicals that leaked and a whole lot of people are going are probably going grow third eyes.

It only took Secretary of Transportation Twinkle B. Twunk five days to comment on it. And he wasn't even on his Parisian paternity leave this time.

In other news, it turns out Old Joe spent $2.5 MM in Sidewinder missiles shooting down RC model planes.

"The US government has assessed that three unidentified objects downed since last Friday were likely for commercial use and not foreign intelligence gathering."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... #xj4y7vzkg

Time for Congress to turn down Biden's request to increase the size of the U.S. war machine. Cut this bitch back like Jimjo has said.

[ConfederateSS]

------ The President of The United States should address the American people from the oval office like a real President stop hiding shit, letting his mouth pieces speak ... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

[jimboston]

Why are you copying the same shit in different threads?

Fuckin’ bozo.