Twildo Leaving?

[Timminz]

it's true it's not exactly the same as being permabanned because in addition to not being able to use the forums or pms you also can't start any new games. In any case, please stop being anally retentive regarding terminology, or at least only be that way when it works in your favour. This is a case where it doesn't.

That was not a case of anal-retentiveness. Perma, means permanent (obviously). I would have agreed entirely with the statement that it was a heavy-handed punishment, had they actually been permanently banned, but they were not. They were given a shorter ban, which is exactly what f1th had said would have been more appropriate. To suggest that I am nit-picking over terminology, when in fact I was pointing out a blatant falsity in the argument is, in itself, false.

Anyway....

We are obviously at a bit of an impasse in the conversation. I am not willing to concede that any of the permanently banned members is undeserving of their ban, (no amount of calling me self-righteous, or anally-retentive is going to change that), and it seems apparent that no point I can make will convince you that, despite some flaws, we have a very well-run site to play and post on.

Cheers, and thanks for the lively debate.

Timm

[TheProwler]

We are obviously at a bit of an impasse in the conversation. I am not willing to concede that any of the permanently banned members is undeserving of their ban, (no amount of calling me self-righteous, or anally-retentive is going to change that), and it seems apparent that no point I can make will convince you that, despite some flaws, we have a very well-run site to play and post on.

If it's any consolation to you, almost every argument here in Off Topics hits this impasse (as you are probably aware).



Oh, and you are right and he is wrong, if that matters.

[jbrettlip]

Free Wicked.

No seriously, that leash is just inhumane.

[mpjh]

But, jb, you are wicked, correct?

[Timminz]

But, jb, you are wicked, correct?

adjective, not noun

Also, FREE WICKED with every purchase of a wicked of equal or greater value

[mpjh]

noun (proper noun)

[Timminz]

noun (proper noun)

proper

[mpjh]

Well, as proper as wicked could ever get.

[F1fth]

You said you hoped more people on these boards were banned. If not an inflammatory statement, then it's just a very rude thing to say.

Again, reading comprehension. These two posts explain the one you questioned that are located on the very same page of this thread:

If people are going to break the rules, they deserve to be punished. I don't understand why that simple concept is so hard to grasp. It really isn't that difficult to not act like a child.

And now you insult my reading comprehension. Did you not say you felt as though more people "around these parts" were worthy of forum "vacations"? I'm quite certain I read that and I was letting you know, no matter what is said after the fact, that such a statement seems quite insulting to the community, who are a bunch of smashing people if I do say so myself, and the moderators of this community, who definitely don't suffer the problem of undermoderating and who I feel do a good job on that end of the spectrum.

But thank you Timminz for the thoughtful response. While I should have said "busted" (a permanent ban from games and forums until a premium is purchased, which is how DM and Snorri got back here), the point is this the same.

Nevertheless, what's done is done. I was merely explaining our position for the benefit of those who didn't know or understand it. I will concede that both sides certainly pushed beyond the boundaries in the past (the admins wouldn't, part of the problem), but, Twill is out and someone new is in. Here's to the hope that we do not repeat the mistakes made and can go on bickering about religion and politics in peace (and that we can appeal previous offenses! Not likely, I know).

[Bones2484]

Did you not say you felt as though more people "around these parts" were worthy of forum "vacations"?

That I did. And if you didn't notice, so have other people in this thread.

(Just so you know, "these parts" refers to the forum as a whole. Not just this one.)

[F1fth]

Ah, see that bit of clarification makes all the difference.

[Bones2484]

Ah, see that bit of clarification makes all the difference.

I realized that, which is why I tried to clarify that I have nothing against these forums in my later posts. But I didn't think that I was allowed to clarify when you said "no matter what is said after the fact".

[F1fth]

Well, I guess I needed to explain better, too. I meant you shouldn't try to explain how I should have interpreted what you said, but instead clarify what you meant.

[The1exile]

Do you really think I care if someone like you cares if I'm around or not?

Someone like me? That's a bit rich. I've never been forum banned, never had my account deleted, never had a lasting genuine bad feedback in any of my games, and the only personal contact I've had with Lack on any level was when my premium payment was charged but didn't go through for ~5 weeks. In all, I would consider myself a pretty good example of a constructive member of an online community.

Just because someone helps create a "vibrant community" doesn't give them a pass when they act like a child, and as someone who is here to have fun playing the game without people ruining it I hope the new admins have just as short of a leash.

Acting like a child according to who? And hell, if you think a few joke posts in a private forum (which can easily be deleted and dealt with by a temp forum ban, btw) are "ruining it" (where "it" I presume is the game? be serious.) merit a full "OMG MULTIZORZ" response, I can only say that my flabber is totally gasted (to steal Gypsy's Kiss's turn of phrase) by the combination of your ignorance of the actual past events, and your will to impose your forum ideology on other people.

[F1fth]

Do you really think I care if someone like you cares if I'm around or not?

Someone like me? That's a bit rich. I've never been forum banned, never had my account deleted, never had a lasting genuine bad feedback in any of my games, and the only personal contact I've had with Lack on any level was when my premium payment was charged but didn't go through for ~5 weeks. In all, I would consider myself a pretty good example of a constructive member of an online community.

Just because someone helps create a "vibrant community" doesn't give them a pass when they act like a child, and as someone who is here to have fun playing the game without people ruining it I hope the new admins have just as short of a leash.

Acting like a child according to who? And hell, if you think a few joke posts in a private forum (which can easily be deleted and dealt with by a temp forum ban, btw) are "ruining it" (where "it" I presume is the game? be serious.) merit a full "OMG MULTIZORZ" response, I can only say that my flabber is totally gasted (to steal Gypsy's Kiss's turn of phrase) by the combination of your ignorance of the actual past events, and your will to impose your forum ideology on other people.

And yet, Exile explains the case much better than I.

[Bones2484]

And yet, Exile explains the case much better than I.

And yet, he talks about things that have no bearing on the discussion at hand. Not to mention it's been over for hours.

Sorry, champ. You missed the party.

[F1fth]

And yet, Exile explains the case much better than I.

And yet, he talks about things that have no bearing on the discussion at hand. Not to mention it's been over for hours.

Sorry, champ. You missed the party.

Since when could you decide when a thread ends? Especially when it's only been a few hours? Especially when his comment actually pertains to the content of this thread as opposed to our little discussion which was quite tangential?

I also like how unconstructively you make the point of being constructive.

[Bones2484]

Ok F1fth, because I'm bored.

Do you really think I care if someone like you cares if I'm around or not?

Someone like me? That's a bit rich. I've never been forum banned, never had my account deleted, never had a lasting genuine bad feedback in any of my games, and the only personal contact I've had with Lack on any level was when my premium payment was charged but didn't go through for ~5 weeks. In all, I would consider myself a pretty good example of a constructive member of an online community.

I don't care what type of member you are. You lost my respect the moment you told me that I'm not a part of your oh-so-precious "vibrant community" and implied my opinions don't matter. The comment was directed at your lack of respect for a differing view point, not at whether or not you follow the rules.

Acting like a child according to who?

Oh, I don't know. The rules laid down by the mods? It's not too difficult to follow the rules. You stated in this very post that you are a "good example of a constructive member", why are you and I able to follow the rules but some others can't?

And hell, if you think a few joke posts in a private forum (which can easily be deleted and dealt with by a temp forum ban, btw) are "ruining it" (where "it" I presume is the game? be serious.) merit a full "OMG MULTIZORZ" response,

Wait. So did they or did they not give each other's passwords to each other so that they could view and post in communities they were not a part of? Seems to me like they had punishment coming. I can't speak to the severity of it since I'm not a mod, but it was hardly an unwarranted response. It's already been discussed here that "permabanned" is being tossed around here without any truth behind the "perma" part.

and your will to impose your forum ideology on other people.

Seems to me that this ideology is the one of the mods, not mine.

[john9blue]

Bones, you're under the impression that the mods follow the rules to the letter and that we are all a bunch of miscreants for not following them. You want the rules enforced objectively. We want the rules enforced subjectively, with consideration given to the voice of the community.

We're not getting what we want, and you're getting what you want, but only some of the time. But what really bugs us (and what even you are willing to admit is wrong) is when the mods hold double standards and not only enforce the rules subjectively, but give no worth to the opinions of the community.

If you are willing to silence your voice and let the mods speak for you, that's your choice. Some of us know our own community better and want a say in what goes on around here. If you've got a problem with that then it doesn't mean you can shoot us down with your perceived "iron laws of CC" backing you up. I think it's been proven that the opinion of the moderators matters more than what's written down in the guidelines.

[b.k. barunt]

If you are willing to silence your voice and let the mods speak for you, that's your choice. Some of us know our own community better and want a say in what goes on around here. If you've got a problem with that then it doesn't mean you can shoot us down with your perceived "iron laws of CC" backing you up. I think it's been proven that the opinion of the moderators matters more than what's written down in the guidelines.

Well said. If fine, upstanding priggish sorts like bones had their way, the forum would wither and die from lack of creativity and critical thinking. They want everything sterilized with a safe predictability that usually ends up with a tyrant in power, and people like us tend to scare the shit out of them at a primal level. Go figure.


Honibaz

[TheProwler]

Hahaha! Scary stuff!!!

[The1exile]

Hahaha! Scary stuff!!!

Did this contribute anything of worth to the discussion at all, prowler? If not - and in case you were wondering, the answer is indeed "no" - please refrain from making these "stupid pointless annoying messages".

[Timminz]

Whuddaya know. exie must have been promoted. I'd be careful if I were you though. Wouldn't want to be accused of over-moderation, or god forbid, a lack of sense of humour, for railing against a touch of sarcasm.

[The1exile]

Whuddaya know. exie must have been promoted. I'd be careful if I were you though. Wouldn't want to be accused of over-moderation, or god forbid, a lack of sense of humour, for railing against a touch of sarcasm.

Ah, no. You see, this is what we in the business call "being useful", "preventing unamusing spam", or just "doing what your buddy OP was saying with regards to the not needing a coloured name", and at the same time as doing this, you are completely safeguarded against being accused of not having a lack of humour because it's not funny. This is demonstrably true, because Prowler posted it, and he wouldn't recognise sarcasm if it did the fandango in front of him naked.

[TheProwler]

Hahaha! Scary stuff!!!

Did this contribute anything of worth to the discussion at all, prowler? If not - and in case you were wondering, the answer is indeed "no" - please refrain from making these "stupid pointless annoying messages".

You are mistaken.

I was poking fun at this ridiculous statement.

people like us tend to scare the shit out of them at a primal level.

Did you just not understand the sarcasm?

Or do you agree that you and your peers are scaring other people here?

You know what, don't answer that. I've just read the last few posts and it is obvious that when you get defensive, you resort to flames.