Why does the rest of the World hate Venezuela?

[Guiscard]

i know, im jk. but, the UN freaks no matter what we do.

Incorrect once again, The US is constantly thinking we are better than the UN's laws and feel we have the obligation to step on their toes.

i don't hate venezala, of however u spell it, but, the UN SUCKS!!! it's useless! it's about as useful as the leauge of nations! screw the $@%$@!# UN!
oh, and GOD BLESS AMERICA!

os, and SHUT THE f*ck UP!

This thread is not about the UN.

[Stopper]

Capitalist hypocrite!

Who do you think is a capitalist hypocrite? Lula?

Maybe he is... but he's proud of it. He's the epitome of the ever-elusive neoliberal socialist.

Ever-elusive neoliberal socialist? Our Mr Blair is surely the prototype.

[ksslemp]

You are as small minded as your name implies, open that box you live in and take a deep breath, you need more O

Your comment in red is complete stupidity, please think before you speak!

Why is it stupidity? Evidence? Argument?

Read what the guy wrote!
If you still have questions, do the following:

1. put gun to head
2. pull trigger

f*ck you. You're the one not presenting any kind of argument here! Why is Islam the only religion with extremist terrorist groups?

Catholicism?
Christianity?
Judaism?

All of those have had extreme terrorist groups at some point!

I Think Catholicism and Christianity should be combined, and the only thing i believe you're referring to is the inquisition? That was an aberrition that happened a long time ago, and it wasn't supported by scripture either. Islam on the other hand directly quotes scripture to support their evil acts. Catholics and Christians exorcised these demons from their ranks a long time ago. (pardon the pun)

I'm not aware of any Jewish terrorist groups. Please enlighten me.

The difference between Islam and the other religions is that islam has been following this "model" since it's inception. They need a reformation! Where is their Martin Luther?, they desperately need one, because that is one screwed up religion.

It's sad because it's a "Blind leading the Blind" situation, the mullahs are blinded by faith and power, and the followers are blinded by faith and ignorance. 1/3 of muslim men and 2/3 of muslim women are illiterate.

I'll forget about the F*ck you remark, i know it was said in a moment of passion.

Although this has been dealt with already, no I'm not referring to the Inquisition. That was nothing like a terrorist group...

For Christianity, we have groups like the KKK, the IRA... They may not be on the same international scale as some of the Islamic extremists but it is still taking the lives of innocents. Jewish groups carried out terrorist actvities in Palestine before the mandate... What I'm saying it that terrorism has less to do with actual religious teaching and more to do with the geo-political climate of the present day. Anyone can use scripture to justify terrorism. The KKK have used it to justify the lynching of black people in just the same way as some extreme Muslims have used it to justify a twisted idea of Jihad. You cannot write off Islam as a violent religion. There are millions of moderate peaceful Muslims throughout the world. What 'model' are you referring to? If we reversed the polarities, and the Christian world was focussed on the middle east and the Muslim west acted as we are acting now, and we had all the same post-colonial political and economic issues, I strongly doubt we'd be any different whatsoever.

Indeed, you can look to Ireland as an example of where a group who feel they are being repressed use religion as a uniting factor to excuse terrorism. It makes no comment on the religion itself, but only the people who use it in a corrupt way. The current extremists are acting no differently to the leaders of the Crusades! They had corrupt motives which inspired the death of thousands of innocent people, but the actual soldiers who marched to the Holy Land were often just subject to human nature. we can all commit atrocities when we are gullible or brainwashed enough, and religion is the best way to do that if we use it wrongly.

Furthermore, the illiteracy thing is not applicable to religion whatsoever! i'm sure the literacy rate in some areas of Africa is tragically low, but that doesn't mean Black people can't read does it! Try and make sensible arguments in the future if you're gonna say anything at all, and stop with all the bold and coloured bullshit while you're at it.


And I'm not gonna retract telling you to f*ck off because in your post you'd told me to shoot myself in the head. Wanker.

The KKK is not a religious org, nor is the IRA. you can't be that friggin' dense. Or maybe you are. I'm not going to explain this because to anyone with an IQ above 100, it needs no explanation.

The MODEL i'm referring to is "Convert or Die". All of the examples you gave for religious terrorism are invalid. Using your logic, WW2 was about Atheism because Hitler was Atheist.

Did the jewish terrorist groups you refer to kill people to convert them to Judaism? NO! Get out of your moral relativism BOX.

You said that "the illiteracy thing is not applicable to religion whatsoever"?
Are you on drugs?, did you read what i said? If 1/3 of muslim men are illiterate, it's a little hard for them to interpret or study the Quran isn't it!
My statement wasn't that difficult to understand, and the fact that you didn't tells me you're one of those people who Sees what they Believe and not the other way around.

I suggest you re-read what i wrote, maybe it will help if you print it out or write it out a few times so that it sinks in. What i wrote i meant literally, No "what ifs", No " if polarities were reversed" or somebody once killed somebody else and they were this or that religion bullshit!

The world is not theoretical, wake up or be a future victim.
oh and i forgot: F*CK OFF! You Sack!

[Aries]

I like venez

[ksslemp]

In relation to the topic of this thread i'd like to send out my support to the clear minded people of Venezuela, who are at this moment are in the streets of Venezuela in protest of what their Tyrant leader has done previously and recently to silence any opposing viewpoints and dimish the peoples freedoms.

If there is a God, I hope he gives all of you the passion, strength and courage to fight this Ego-Maniacal Want to be Castro Dictator.

I am with you in solidarity!

Are you by any chance Karl Rove's semi-retarded half-brother? You sure do lean to the extreme right. "I am with you in solidarity." What kind of of neoconservative propaganda doublespeak is this? It's utter bullshit. Get a spine, think for yourself, and stop using bold and colors.

Schmitt, Go see a physician please. It appears the part of your brain that processes "Rational" thought isn't functioning. Might be a tumor? I'd be worried!

"think for yourself"? that's funny coming from a sheep like you.

What i wrote is not "Doublespeak" as you say. I'm in Solidarity with the Venezuelans in the streets that love FREEDOM! and if you don't understand the word "Solidarity", ask a Pole!

You ignorant TOOL!

[luns101]

I can't really think of a good reason to hate Venezuela, but seeing as I live in the United States, I'm sure there has to be a way to justify hating them. I know they've got some oil and won't give it to us for free, so perhaps that would be a good starting point.

[btownmeggy]

Capitalist hypocrite!

Who do you think is a capitalist hypocrite? Lula?

Maybe he is... but he's proud of it. He's the epitome of the ever-elusive neoliberal socialist.

Ever-elusive neoliberal socialist? Our Mr Blair is surely the prototype.

Ha, that's a good point and so true.

Giving world leaders a once over in my mind, maybe I should've said that he's one of those verging-on-ubiquitous neoliberal socialists...?

[got tonkaed]

The KKK is not a religious org, nor is the IRA. you can't be that friggin' dense. Or maybe you are. I'm not going to explain this because to anyone with an IQ above 100, it needs no explanation.

although certainly they are not as directly affilated as the islamic fundamentalist movements....there are still religious leanings and traditions in both of the listed movements. Likewise, a solid if not strong majority of the followers of both groups are likely to still hold similar religious meanings. In the very small sample of KKK rhetoric ive been subjected to...religious motifs are often expressed. You are correct in that no they are not directly religious, but to deny that religion is not relavant to either one of those movements....especially the KKK imo...is being too superficial for the issue.

The MODEL i'm referring to is "Convert or Die". All of the examples you gave for religious terrorism are invalid. Using your logic, WW2 was about Atheism because Hitler was Atheist.

A few different things here in backwards order....what one could draw from the logic of guiscard, is that the issue is really of ideology. As you correctly note, religion is not a clear cut constant from then to now....but the hardline, fundamentalist ideology of hitler and of others like him since always leads to problems. If i had my druthers (which i wont...) wed all be critical thinkers. Religion unlike nazism, or fascism, or communism, is the current ideology which is posing a threat, especially in the middle east.

Moving backward...i think most western observers are still trying to catch up on understanding religious conversion in that area of the globe. Simply put, the importance of religion in the US at least, is only growing as a result of the efforts of the Christian Right in the last few decades. Its becoming an issue that people are upfront about, when they in the past simply were not. However the sociopolitical condition is different in the middle east. Perhaps because of the prominence of such hotly debated locations and other territorial issues, one is not simply religious, they make their choice and are publicly rooted to that choice. A close friend of mine spent her last semester in Jerusalem and one of her biggest reflections was that, where religion is at times in America something of a one day activity, it is an ever present 7 day force in that area of the globe. Of course she is one person and perhaps not the best way to look at the issue as a whole, but i think its a point worth noting. When religious has an immediate impact to the point that your life may depend on it, you simply are going to take more hostile stances. Religious tolerance is much less likely, when there are disputes that religion inevitably will get tied into. It certainly does not excuse the fundamentalist rhetoric and isnt consistent with the history of Islam, but it is perhaps at least understandable (from a functionalist perspective).

Did the jewish terrorist groups you refer to kill people to convert them to Judaism? NO! Get out of your moral relativism BOX.

as noted earlier, although only a historical nugget...Islam was very workable for non muslims for most of the history of the faith. And likewise, it certainly is not as if every muslim holds such stances, it is a world religion. I know little of how islam is practiced in Southeast Asia, but one would assume they dont all hold the same stances. Though im perhaps broadening islam out too far for your point, its important to note that if we view the religion simply as it is reflected in one location, we have problems down the road.

You said that "the illiteracy thing is not applicable to religion whatsoever"?
Are you on drugs?, did you read what i said? If 1/3 of muslim men are illiterate, it's a little hard for them to interpret or study the Quran isn't it!
My statement wasn't that difficult to understand, and the fact that you didn't tells me you're one of those people who Sees what they Believe and not the other way around.

Although im sure there are instances where i am wrong, i find it unlikely that most of the Imam's are illiterate. The sad number is most likely related to the general poverty that areas of the region. Likewise (though you may not know, and im only guessing) that number might not be strictly related to simply islam in the middle east...which is what we are most concerned with in this discussion. However, as you mention, any large portion of the population that cannot read is much less likely to be able to dissent or think for themselves and if there is anything that we should be focusing on, it should not be trying to find ways to combat islam, it should be trying to find ways to bring people to realize that we are not out to utterly destroy their way of life. It is sad because for so long islam was a religion of relatively educated individuals, and i think anyone should realize that fundamentalism is best combated through better education and more open and honest dialogue. No im not saying we can do it without fighting those who are against us, im not so naive, but i am naive enough to think that if a war against terror will ever be won, it will be won by making them think fundamentalism is not the answer. Sharia can be beneficial to the world community in that concepts can change, but in order for them to change, people have to realize there are alternatives, and that isnt as easy without people having broader perspectives of the world.

Lastly....although you and i and perhaps others disagree about numerous things, i would urge you to try and be more civil. The average poster on this forum is not a complete idiot. By treating the first sign of opposition with an appeal to idiocy you only invite confrontation, and this (not by any chance on anywhere near the same level) is the exact same thing i speak against in the above paragraph. We dont gain new perspectives and ideas by simply shouting at each other trying to grind someone down. Yes there will be difference and disagreement, but we all do well to try and realize that harder solutions are not obtained by belitting other people.

[spurgistan]

Wait, what did the KKK burn in black and Jewish American's yards? Crescents? No, those would have been crosses, signifying the power of their Christian belief, which they felt empowered them to kill blacks and Jews.

And would you please kill the colors thing? Just makes it harder to read (I assume that's what you want...)

[KomradeKloininov]

Its not so much Venezuela itself that I hate. Its what I got there. The list of STDs is way too long.

[ksslemp]

Wait, what did the KKK burn in black and Jewish American's yards? Crescents? No, those would have been crosses, signifying the power of their Christian belief, which they felt empowered them to kill blacks and Jews.

And would you please kill the colors thing? Just makes it harder to read (I assume that's what you want...)

My comments were directed towards 1/3 of muslim men, so the colors have no effect!

[got tonkaed]

i would assume you will get to it shortly, but the way you just dont respond to what i post is a bit of a tease mr ksslemp.

[Anarchist]

thats cause kss cant completely debate a subject without asking Rush Limbaugh for answers.

heres another left-Wing article on the subject at hand
http://www.marxist.com/counterrevolutio ... 010607.htm

after all you cant look at one sides arguement without atleast hearing the other

[ksslemp]

thats cause kss cant completely debate a subject without asking Rush Limbaugh for answers.

heres another left-Wing article on the subject at hand
http://www.marxist.com/counterrevolutio ... 010607.htm

after all you cant look at one sides arguement without atleast hearing the other

I assure you marxist.com has nothing to teach me.

I'd find more truth in the National Enquirer.

P.S. I consider Rush to be a misleading Partisan, and i don't respect those kinds of people.

[got tonkaed]

thats cause kss cant completely debate a subject without asking Rush Limbaugh for answers.

heres another left-Wing article on the subject at hand
http://www.marxist.com/counterrevolutio ... 010607.htm

after all you cant look at one sides arguement without atleast hearing the other

I assure you marxist.com has nothing to teach me.

I'd find more truth in the National Enquirer.

i find that to be surely false. Even if...and id disagree clearly, they never had anything that was true in their midst....you could at least continue to learn lessons about how to continue a website without ever having posted any truth.

Cups half full mate.

[Iliad]

thats cause kss cant completely debate a subject without asking Rush Limbaugh for answers.

heres another left-Wing article on the subject at hand
http://www.marxist.com/counterrevolutio ... 010607.htm

after all you cant look at one sides arguement without atleast hearing the other

I assure you marxist.com has nothing to teach me.

I'd find more truth in the National Enquirer.

Have you even read it?

[ksslemp]

thats cause kss cant completely debate a subject without asking Rush Limbaugh for answers.

heres another left-Wing article on the subject at hand
http://www.marxist.com/counterrevolutio ... 010607.htm

after all you cant look at one sides arguement without atleast hearing the other

I assure you marxist.com has nothing to teach me.

I'd find more truth in the National Enquirer.

Have you even read it?

Don't need to, i'd consider it a waste of time. It's called "Marxist.com" and i know what it's about without actually viewing it.

Would you have to view BigHairyV*ginas.com to know what on that site?

[got tonkaed]

thats cause kss cant completely debate a subject without asking Rush Limbaugh for answers.

heres another left-Wing article on the subject at hand
http://www.marxist.com/counterrevolutio ... 010607.htm

after all you cant look at one sides arguement without atleast hearing the other

I assure you marxist.com has nothing to teach me.

I'd find more truth in the National Enquirer.

Have you even read it?

Don't need to, i'd consider it a waste of time. It's called "Marxist.com" and i know what it's about without actually viewing it.

Would you have to view BigHairyV*ginas.com to know what on that site?

permit me of course....

to take a stab in the dark i would assume you and the casual observer of the internet would in fact rather put aside their superhuman observation talents just to check out what exactly was going on at the latter as opposed to all those people who are just dying to know about marxism.

[ksslemp]

thats cause kss cant completely debate a subject without asking Rush Limbaugh for answers.

heres another left-Wing article on the subject at hand
http://www.marxist.com/counterrevolutio ... 010607.htm

after all you cant look at one sides arguement without atleast hearing the other

I assure you marxist.com has nothing to teach me.

I'd find more truth in the National Enquirer.

i find that to be surely false. Even if...and id disagree clearly, they never had anything that was true in their midst....you could at least continue to learn lessons about how to continue a website without ever having posted any truth.

Cups half full mate.

It was a G E N E R A L I Z A T I O N

[Iliad]

thats cause kss cant completely debate a subject without asking Rush Limbaugh for answers.

heres another left-Wing article on the subject at hand
http://www.marxist.com/counterrevolutio ... 010607.htm

after all you cant look at one sides arguement without atleast hearing the other

I assure you marxist.com has nothing to teach me.

I'd find more truth in the National Enquirer.

Have you even read it?

Don't need to, i'd consider it a waste of time. It's called "Marxist.com" and i know what it's about without actually viewing it.

Would you have to view BigHairyV*ginas.com to know what on that site?

how about you actually go on the site and read it if you want to debate. Otherwise you are just forfeiting your debate

[got tonkaed]

thats cause kss cant completely debate a subject without asking Rush Limbaugh for answers.

heres another left-Wing article on the subject at hand
http://www.marxist.com/counterrevolutio ... 010607.htm

after all you cant look at one sides arguement without atleast hearing the other

I assure you marxist.com has nothing to teach me.

I'd find more truth in the National Enquirer.

i find that to be surely false. Even if...and id disagree clearly, they never had anything that was true in their midst....you could at least continue to learn lessons about how to continue a website without ever having posted any truth.

Cups half full mate.

It was a G E N E R A L I Z A T I O N

consider it part of my project to get you to be a bit more refined in the form of the post debate....im well aware of what it was.

[ksslemp]

I'd like to make a prediction:......... Hugo will wake up tomorrow and decide to wear his RED shirt!!!!

[reminisco]

QUESTION: Why is Venezuelan food so yummy?

[Nataki Yiro]

I simply hate them because they are below the equator...

[reminisco]

QUESTION: Why would the rest of the world LIKE Venezuela?