Logic dictates that there is a God!

[Backglass]

Marajuana?

Or the much more addictive and destructive Wine?

Gay marriage?

Pedophile Pastors?

partial-birth abortions?

Nailing heads to tent floors?

assisted suicide?

Stonings? War? Crusades?

Such a wonderful, hypocritical cult.

[jay_a2j]

Backglass try making sense when "making connections" because your last post was laughable. And you need to look up the word "cult" cause you obviously don't know what one is. Your hatred for God is overridding your intelligence bud.

[Backglass]

Backglass try making sense when "making connections" because your last post was laughable. And you need to look up the word "cult" cause you obviously don't know what one is.

I find all cultists laughable.

Your hatred for God is overridding your intelligence bud.

You cant hate what doesnt exist. I also dont hate the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, The Boogey Man or Tooth Fairy.

I do hate Leprechauns however. Sneaky little bastards.

[vtmarik]

I do hate Leprechauns however. Sneaky little bastards.

Hey, don't hate on the Leprechauns, because if the Christians get their way they'll have to tithe that gold and then there will be none for us to steal and thus become the subject of a D-grade horror flick.

[jay_a2j]

You cant hate what doesnt exist. I also dont hate the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus, The Boogey Man or Tooth Fairy.

Just because you don't believe in God does not mean He does not exist. You're in a minority for a REASON!

[naktay01]

GOD
CAMCORDERS
NO MORE GOD

[vtmarik]

Just because you don't believe in God does not mean He does not exist. You're in a minority for a REASON!

Just because a bunch of people agree, that doesn't mean that the idea is the truth. It merely means that the idea is popular simply for the fact that it is popular.

Sure, you guys are in the majority, but we live in a society that also has guaranteed protections of the minority opinions too.

We're in a minority because [gasp!] we have the audacity to doubt the Christian faith. While some may argue against God's existence outright, I at least acknowledge the statistical likelihood that there may be a God or Gods somewhere (or at least a being advanced enough to be considered a God by our primitive reckoning). However, I don't consider myself a Christian because 1500 years of misinterpretation and illegitimate dogma kinda soured me on your little social club. So how about you do what Jesus would do: Get over it man. We don't believe in your little book there, so why don't you go back to your prayer circle and continue living in your magical fantasy where God gives you free will and then takes it away by guilt tripping you into driving to Church and watching those dumb televangelists, and be kind enough to leave the rest of us where we are.

Personally, I know for a fact that if Jesus ever did return to this Earth, that no one would believe him. All the evangelicals would be shouting about "The false messiah is he who claims to be Jesus" and everyone else in your club would join in and beat him with sticks.

I sure hope that when He does come back that he stops by my house first so we can hang out and play Goldeneye.

EDIT: Wow, rarely does my need to convey a message override my internal run-on sentence filter. Just excuse that grammatical error please, I'll be whipping myself (as per my Grammar Nazi beliefs) if anyone needs to reach me.

[reverend_kyle]

Just because you don't believe in God does not mean He does not exist. You're in a minority for a REASON!

Just because a bunch of people agree, that doesn't mean that the idea is the truth. I

by jay's logic a while ago the universe revolved around the earth.l.. then miraculously it all began to revolve aroun the sun..


and the earth used to be flat then miraculously got round.

[jay_a2j]

by jay's logic a while ago the universe revolved around the earth.l.. then miraculously it all began to revolve aroun the sun..


and the earth used to be flat then miraculously got round.

That was never my logic, sorry you got the wrong guy.

[2dimes]

But from our reference point the universe does revolve around the earth.

As the earth turns on it's axis daily everything outside of it seems to revolve around it.

So that idea was not wrong, it was just missinturpreted and there are more obital actions in addition to us spinning.

You can't just deny an early concept like that and make it out to be rediculas, it was how they figured out the next step in theories.

It's like saying making chariots was stupid because we have cars now. With out the advancements in carriages we wouldn't have taken the next step. The chariots were highly advanced for a long long time before the next step took place.

Yes even a crappy car blows away any horse draw device, but that doesn't mean the carriages were not way better than walking.

[reverend_kyle]

by jay's logic a while ago the universe revolved around the earth.l.. then miraculously it all began to revolve aroun the sun..


and the earth used to be flat then miraculously got round.

That was never my logic, sorry you got the wrong guy.

Did you or did you not say that christianity is true because most people believe it..

oh wait you did..

jay flip flops CONFIRMED!

[jay_a2j]

by jay's logic a while ago the universe revolved around the earth.l.. then miraculously it all began to revolve aroun the sun..


and the earth used to be flat then miraculously got round.

That was never my logic, sorry you got the wrong guy.

Did you or did you not say that christianity is true because most people believe it..

oh wait you did..

jay flip flops CONFIRMED!

No, I didn't. Pay attention kyle. I said "There is a reason you are in a MINORITY!" Do not draw conclusions from my posts please. When you assume we all know what happens.

[reverend_kyle]

by jay's logic a while ago the universe revolved around the earth.l.. then miraculously it all began to revolve aroun the sun..


and the earth used to be flat then miraculously got round.

That was never my logic, sorry you got the wrong guy.

Did you or did you not say that christianity is true because most people believe it..

oh wait you did..

jay flip flops CONFIRMED!

No, I didn't. Pay attention kyle. I said "There is a reason you are in a MINORITY!" Do not draw conclusions from my posts please. When you assume we all know what happens.

Ok explain to me how there is a reason you are in the minority doesnt mean.. more people support it it must be true...


jay I do give you the balls award very people stay in their own thread for 86 pages.

[jay_a2j]

Ok explain to me how there is a reason you are in the minority doesnt mean.. more people support it it must be true...

Minority..... people who do not belive in God vs. the majority... people who do believe in God. Nothing was mentioned about what I believe or the Christian religion in general.


And I still don't get where you got this from.... Rev_kyle wrote: "by jay's logic a while ago the universe revolved around the earth.l.. then miraculously it all began to revolve aroun the sun.."


and the earth used to be flat then miraculously got round.

[vtmarik]

The minority opinion that God doesn't exist doesn't prove that He doesn't exist. That's what you said.

The inverse of that statement is that the majority opinion that God does exist proves that He does exist (this inverse is implied by your somewhat agressive "You're in the minority for a reason" statement). EDIT: I don't know if that's what you intended, but that's what happened.

Now Kyle's statement about the whole Earth becoming round and the orbits and stuff is based on the fact that for a time the majority believed that the earth was flat and was the center of the universe. This was the only accepted truth at the time and it got Copernicus in a lot of trouble when he questioned it. Majority opinion has shifted, and so the truth has also shifted (hence the metaphorical "miraculous" roundness of the earth and the "miraculous" heliocentric solar model). He's making fun of your statement that those that disbelieve in God are in the minority and so their opinion doesn't matter. The whole "Truth by Consensus" concept is laughable at best and that's what he's making fun of.

This clarification was brought to you by VTMarik and this bottle of Hornsby's hard cider.

[jay_a2j]

The minority opinion that God doesn't exist doesn't prove that He doesn't exist. That's what you said.

The inverse of that statement is that the majority opinion that God does exist proves that He does exist (this inverse is implied by your somewhat agressive "You're in the minority for a reason" statement). EDIT: I don't know if that's what you intended, but that's what happened.

Now Kyle's statement about the whole Earth becoming round and the orbits and stuff is based on the fact that for a time the majority believed that the earth was flat and was the center of the universe. This was the only accepted truth at the time and it got Copernicus in a lot of trouble when he questioned it. Majority opinion has shifted, and so the truth has also shifted (hence the metaphorical "miraculous" roundness of the earth and the "miraculous" heliocentric solar model). He's making fun of your statement that those that disbelieve in God are in the minority and so their opinion doesn't matter. The whole "Truth by Consensus" concept is laughable at best and that's what he's making fun of.

This clarification was brought to you by VTMarik and this bottle of Hornsby's hard cider.

No, you too are drawing conclusions. "You're in a MINORITY for a reason" suggests that your belief is not held by most people so stop comming off as a know it all, stommping your feet and throughing tantrums. Then saying things like, "I don't believe in Santa, easter bunny or tooth fairy either". (Keep in mind the "file cabinet" seen in Bruce Almighty)

[vtmarik]

Yes, i'm drawing conclusions. Why? Because that's what an argument is, it's a series of premises that lead to a conclusion, however you didn't formulate a conclusion. You just gave us a bunch of premises. Until you start completing your thoughts, we're gonna keep right on with the drawing conclusions.

Sorry, but if this is a debate, you need to either relearn your skills or just stop it.

[Outline]
Premises: You don't complete your thoughts, leaving us with a pile of premises by no conclusions
Premise: You've done this a great number of times in this thread
Premise: It is necessary in any debate or argument to conclude your statements after the premises are stated.
Conclusion: "Sorry, but if this is a debate, you need to either relearn your skills or just stop it."


There, just in case you weren't certain. That plus I'm practicing for my job as a professional heckler.

Oh, and the idle threats about the "file cabinet" in Bruce Almighty don't do much for your credibility.

[2dimes]

I'm looking for the foot stomping and tantrums. I'll update when I find one.

[heavycola]

Can you imagine living in a world where there is a Santa Claus?

i think this thread swallowed its own tail when Jay posted this. i dont' know whether to laugh or cry.

[jay_a2j]

Can you imagine living in a world where there is a Santa Claus?

i think this thread swallowed its own tail when Jay posted this. i dont' know whether to laugh or cry.

You'd have to read backglass's post to understant it. Simply exchange the words "Santa Claus" with "God". Glad you all are finding this amusing. But when a person compares God with non-existent things that only children believe in there is a problem.

[heavycola]

Glad you all are finding this amusing. But when a person compares God with non-existent things that only children believe in there is a problem.

Simply exchange the word "god" with "santa claus"

[vtmarik]

You'd have to read backglass's post to understant it. Simply exchange the words "Santa Claus" with "God". Glad you all are finding this amusing. But when a person compares God with non-existent things that only children believe in there is a problem.

Is there? Really? The concept that Santa Claus doesn't exist (while its perfectly alright to lie to the kids and then crush them when you reveal the lie) is easier to swallow than God not existing? Imagine that you're 5 and all your life you've been told that there is a guy named Santa and he gives you stuff. Then imagine that your parents tell you that Santa isn't real, they just made it up. How mortified would you be? How long would it take you to accept it?

It's the same thing, only you've been believing in God for longer, so the indoctrination goes real deep. That's why when someone comes around with some evidence and yells "God does not exist" you immediately go into attack mode and begin browbeating that guy with biblical quotes and dogma hoping that he'll stop challenging the defining strand of your life and leave you alone.

However, on the grand scale of things, IT'S THE SAME DAMN THING! The belief in Santa is as real to a 5 year old as God is to you so stop trivializing widely held beliefs just because you don't happen to share them. It may seem like bunk to you, but to a child it's as real as Jesus and the Crucifixion so shaddap already.

[2dimes]

NO it isn't. If you belive in God until you're dead then there is nothing you won't be upset at all how could you be.

[vtmarik]

NO it isn't. If you belive in God until you're dead then there is nothing you won't be upset at all how could you be.

A belief in God is no different than a belief in Santa, the only possible difference being that no one has ever been shunned, fired, or publicly ridiculed for not believing in Santa Claus.

The tooth fairy, The easter bunny, and Santa are all fictional characters created through either commercialization, the gentle warping of an icon (St. Nicholas into Santa) or a misappropriation of pagan imagery by early Christians eager to convert heathens ("Bunnies are for shagging, eggs are for fertility, it's the spring festival"). Christian God is a mishmash of incoherent concepts that are adjusted slightly to suit the needs of the defender.

I believe that Christian God is not God. Christian God (C-God to his homies) seems to be too open to interpretation and too incompetent to be considered a God. At the very best He's an egregore [a magickal device/servitor created by a group rather than an individual, further information here.) and at the very least He's fiction. Real God doesn't want or need money, prayer, devotion, or followers. The disciples followed Jesus around because A) Jesus had a lot of good ideas and was a groovy cat to hang with and B) They didn't have the guts to admit to themselves that they had no original ideas.

Jesus wasn't the Son of God, but he was far beyond his (or even our) time. Until Christians can stop using Jesus as an excuse for whatever they say or do then I will continue to consider Christian God as a group creation rather than an immutable force. Forgive me for having a mind crafted from the dual crucibles of Atheism and Catholicism before venturing out and finding my own truth for myself. There should be as many religions as there are people, but some are unwilling to trust themselves and so they turn to C-God, Allah, YHVH, or some other hive mind creation.

[heavycola]

^^^^^

::round of applause::