Chik-Fil-A 2.0 (D.C. Shooting)

[MeDeFe]

How are they physically throwing anything in "their" face? Surely you're ok with people kissing in a restaurant?

"Peck on the cheek/lips", I'm ok with. Making out...I'm not ok with in a restaurant, whether they're homosexual or heterosexual.

What about prolonged lip contact but no tongue?

[Symmetry]

How are they physically throwing anything in "their" face? Surely you're ok with people kissing in a restaurant?

"Peck on the cheek/lips", I'm ok with. Making out...I'm not ok with in a restaurant, whether they're homosexual or heterosexual.

The advert that got Scotty so sexually confused was just advocating a kiss, to be fair.

[Woodruff]

How are they physically throwing anything in "their" face? Surely you're ok with people kissing in a restaurant?

"Peck on the cheek/lips", I'm ok with. Making out...I'm not ok with in a restaurant, whether they're homosexual or heterosexual.

What about prolonged lip contact but no tongue?

It helps if I can tell that, but I'd still they rather not.

[Woodruff]

How are they physically throwing anything in "their" face? Surely you're ok with people kissing in a restaurant?

"Peck on the cheek/lips", I'm ok with. Making out...I'm not ok with in a restaurant, whether they're homosexual or heterosexual.

The advert that got Scotty so sexually confused was just advocating a kiss, to be fair.

Understood. I was simply clarifying (for anyone that cares, probably nobody) where my particular line is.

[Symmetry]

How are they physically throwing anything in "their" face? Surely you're ok with people kissing in a restaurant?

"Peck on the cheek/lips", I'm ok with. Making out...I'm not ok with in a restaurant, whether they're homosexual or heterosexual.

The advert that got Scotty so sexually confused was just advocating a kiss, to be fair.

Understood. I was simply clarifying (for anyone that cares, probably nobody) where my particular line is.

Fair enough, and straight kisses were encouraged too.

[Woodruff]

How are they physically throwing anything in "their" face? Surely you're ok with people kissing in a restaurant?

"Peck on the cheek/lips", I'm ok with. Making out...I'm not ok with in a restaurant, whether they're homosexual or heterosexual.

The advert that got Scotty so sexually confused was just advocating a kiss, to be fair.

Understood. I was simply clarifying (for anyone that cares, probably nobody) where my particular line is.

Fair enough, and straight kisses were encouraged too.

Right...I did mention I find that just as distasteful in a place like a restaurant.

[Lootifer]

Oh on topic public displays of affection can gtfo I seriously hate that shit

[Symmetry]

A kiss is just a kiss:

[BigBallinStalin]

PLAYER makes two common assertions which are important but are mistaken.

One major caveat: initiating violence against others is impermissible. Is Chick-Fil-A initiating violence against gays for funding organizations which seek to prevent gays from marrying? This does cause them harm, but are the means violent? They seem non-violent to me. Is their goal violent? I'm undecided. Violence typically entails physical harm, so it depends on how you construe physical harm...

Most people draw the line well short of physical violance.

Also, the idea that people truly are able to fight big corporations by "fighting with their feet" is belied by corporations like Walmart. In many communities, people just don't have any other option.

How many communities? I'd argue that the benefits of competition by Wal-Mart offset the costs for nearly all Americans.

I would disagree 100%. Outsourcing to China does not benefit us in the long run.

Sure, it does. It frees up labor for other uses. Think of it this way: let's stop trading with everyone, and instead build everything in the US--even the stuff which we produce less efficiently (thus more costly) (also, there's opportunity costs involved--i.e. since X is now more costly to produce, we'll produce less of it compared to trading, and we have less labor and capital for devoting to producing other goods). Would this be better than trading? Of course not.

The accumulation of wealth across all brackets of income-earners has risen as the means to trade have expanded in choices and have lowered in costs.

Besides, that's one minor aspect. The most important for me is the cost-savings experienced by millions of Americans. If you want to alleviate poverty, Wal-Mart has been doing a tremendous job with that. People who hate on Wal-Mart tend to forget about instances when consumers actually benefit.

The acceptable balance of price and quality is determined by the consumers through trial-and-error and by consumer reports and relevant information by word-of-mouth and other means. If Wal-Mart loses this balance, its consumers will shop elsewhere, thus providing a profit motive for other grocers, farmers, farmers' markets, etc., which still operate in many areas nearby Wal-Marts.

The problem with your assertion is that we should only care about "price and quality" and nothing else. I would assert that is poor logic.

No, I'm not saying that. Try re-reading it, and tell me what it means.

[BigBallinStalin]

Oh on topic public displays of affection can gtfo I seriously hate that shit

You're just jealous, aren't you.

[Woodruff]

PLAYER makes two common assertions which are important but are mistaken.

One major caveat: initiating violence against others is impermissible. Is Chick-Fil-A initiating violence against gays for funding organizations which seek to prevent gays from marrying? This does cause them harm, but are the means violent? They seem non-violent to me. Is their goal violent? I'm undecided. Violence typically entails physical harm, so it depends on how you construe physical harm...

Most people draw the line well short of physical violance.

Also, the idea that people truly are able to fight big corporations by "fighting with their feet" is belied by corporations like Walmart. In many communities, people just don't have any other option.

How many communities? I'd argue that the benefits of competition by Wal-Mart offset the costs for nearly all Americans.

I would disagree 100%. Outsourcing to China does not benefit us in the long run.

Sure, it does. It frees up labor for other uses.

Such as not working for pay. I guess it frees up more time for community service work.

Think of it this way: let's stop trading with everyone, and instead build everything in the US--even the stuff which we produce less efficiently (thus more costly) (also, there's opportunity costs involved--i.e. since X is now more costly to produce, we'll produce less of it compared to trading, and we have less labor and capital for devoting to producing other goods). Would this be better than trading? Of course not.
The accumulation of wealth across all brackets of income-earners has risen as the means to trade have expanded in choices and have lowered in costs.

Our poor are reasonably well off, I won't argue that. And yet, many of our poor are having difficulty finding jobs. This is not a good time for us to be outsourcing.

Besides, that's one minor aspect. The most important for me is the cost-savings experienced by millions of Americans. If you want to alleviate poverty, Wal-Mart has been doing a tremendous job with that. People who hate on Wal-Mart tend to forget about instances when consumers actually benefit.

I don't. I have no problem at all with those in tough economic circumstances shopping at Wal-Mart. Those that need to shop there should shop there - to expect otherwise isn't rational. If I were in those circumstances, I would shop at Wal-Mart, despite my distaste for the company and my (in much better circumstances, thank you pension) current boycott of the company.

The acceptable balance of price and quality is determined by the consumers through trial-and-error and by consumer reports and relevant information by word-of-mouth and other means. If Wal-Mart loses this balance, its consumers will shop elsewhere, thus providing a profit motive for other grocers, farmers, farmers' markets, etc., which still operate in many areas nearby Wal-Marts.

The problem with your assertion is that we should only care about "price and quality" and nothing else. I would assert that is poor logic.

No, I'm not saying that. Try re-reading it, and tell me what it means.

I believe you are, though you're trying to couch it in terms of "if enough people don't like how they do business, then they'll go out of business". The problem with that theory is that most people aren't going to bother to look behind the scenes to see what the company is actually doing. Hell, I don't even do it with every company I deal with, and I try to be socially conscious about it. Your presumption that people will do so is a false one, in my view, leading to a false conclusion. The other aspect is that many people really don't care what "goes on behind the scenes" even when they know, so long as they get the low prices they want. While you may see that as a perfectly acceptable balance of the market, I see it as a reason why these companies should not be allowed to use most egregious of the business practices that they do.

[Phatscotty]

This is a repost of a video that is circulating the internet. The guy in the video is named Adam M. Smith and he has tried to pull this video off the internet since posting it. I am simply posting it to keep it around and show people what is going on.

Update: Mr. Smith has been fired today.

http://www.businessinsider.com/vante-cf ... -it-2012-8

Adam Smith, former CFO and treasurer of medical supplies manufacturer Vante, caused quite a stir when he put up a video of himself bullying a Chick-fil-A drive-thru employee in Tucson on YouTube.

Smith berates the worker about her company in the video, which was initially titled ”Reduce $’s to Chick-Fil-A’s Hate Groups.” It has since been taken down (though others have uploaded it too).

"I don't know how you live with yourself and work here," he tells the employee at the window. "I don't understand it. This is a horrible corporation with horrible values. You deserve better."

”I’m a nice guy, by the way … totally heterosexual," he continues. "Not a gay in me, I just can’t stand the hate.”


Mayors slammed Chick-fil-A's stance on the issue and Jim Henson Co. pulled its toys from kids meals. Meanwhile, Mike Huckabee declared Wednesday "Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day," prompting crowds of supporters around the country to pack the restaurants. Chick-fil-A even set a one-day sales record that day.

Watch the video:

Vante didn't approve of Smith's behavior, and he's no longer working there.

Here's the press release from Vante announcing that Smith is "no longer an employee of our company," effective immediately:

TUCSON, AZ--(Marketwire - Aug 2, 2012) - The following is a statement from Vante:

Vante regrets the unfortunate events that transpired yesterday in Tucson between our former CFO/Treasurer Adam Smith and an employee at Chick-fil-A. Effective immediately, Mr. Smith is no longer an employee of our company.

The actions of Mr. Smith do not reflect our corporate values in any manner. Vante is an equal opportunity company with a diverse workforce, which holds diverse opinions. We respect the right of our employees and all Americans to hold and express their personal opinions, however, we also expect our company officers to behave in a manner commensurate with their position and in a respectful fashion that conveys these values of civility with others.

We hope that the general population does not hold Mr. Smith's actions against Vante and its employees.

[kentington]

This is a repost of a video that is circulating the internet. The guy in the video is named Adam M. Smith and he has tried to pull this video off the internet since posting it. I am simply posting it to keep it around and show people what is going on.

Update: Mr. Smith has been fired today.

http://www.businessinsider.com/vante-cf ... -it-2012-8

Adam Smith, former CFO and treasurer of medical supplies manufacturer Vante, caused quite a stir when he put up a video of himself bullying a Chick-fil-A drive-thru employee in Tucson on YouTube.

Smith berates the worker about her company in the video, which was initially titled ”Reduce $’s to Chick-Fil-A’s Hate Groups.” It has since been taken down (though others have uploaded it too).

"I don't know how you live with yourself and work here," he tells the employee at the window. "I don't understand it. This is a horrible corporation with horrible values. You deserve better."

”I’m a nice guy, by the way … totally heterosexual," he continues. "Not a gay in me, I just can’t stand the hate.”

Chick-fil-A is currently in the middle of a controversy sparked by president and COO Dan Cathy's comments about gay marriage. He said that going against the Biblical definition of marriage is "inviting God's judgment on our nation."

Mayors slammed Chick-fil-A's stance on the issue and Jim Henson Co. pulled its toys from kids meals. Meanwhile, Mike Huckabee declared Wednesday "Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day," prompting crowds of supporters around the country to pack the restaurants. Chick-fil-A even set a one-day sales record that day.

Watch the video:

Vante didn't approve of Smith's behavior, and he's no longer working there.

Here's the press release from Vante announcing that Smith is "no longer an employee of our company," effective immediately:

TUCSON, AZ--(Marketwire - Aug 2, 2012) - The following is a statement from Vante:

Vante regrets the unfortunate events that transpired yesterday in Tucson between our former CFO/Treasurer Adam Smith and an employee at Chick-fil-A. Effective immediately, Mr. Smith is no longer an employee of our company.

The actions of Mr. Smith do not reflect our corporate values in any manner. Vante is an equal opportunity company with a diverse workforce, which holds diverse opinions. We respect the right of our employees and all Americans to hold and express their personal opinions, however, we also expect our company officers to behave in a manner commensurate with their position and in a respectful fashion that conveys these values of civility with others.

We hope that the general population does not hold Mr. Smith's actions against Vante and its employees.

Congratulations, Mr. Smith you can get a girl upset and almost bring her to tears. Let's pat you on the back for the Douche of the Day award.

I didn't watch with audio, I am at work.

[jonesthecurl]

I think we should have an anti-chick day. NObody in the whole of America buys the stuff.
I suggest this Sunday. I'm expecting complete success.

[BigBallinStalin]

@woodruff,

I see where you're going with this, and I'll take the time to respond later. My internet connection is frustratingly slow, so until then!


#woodruffloveswalmart

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[yang guize]

LOL.

'free speech - the freedom of others to do or say anything that i approve of'

i do not approve of divorce. maybe i should organise hate campaigns against any restaurant that employs divorced people? their world view is clearly incompatible with mine, and this compromises their ability to serve delicious meals.

[Symmetry]

LOL.

'free speech - the freedom of others to do or say anything that i approve of'

i do not approve of divorce. maybe i should organise hate campaigns against any restaurant that employs divorced people? their world view is clearly incompatible with mine, and this compromises their ability to serve delicious meals.

Ah, you haven't visited a Chick-Fil-A restaurant. Delicious isn't the word you want to employ. Adequate, perhaps, if you have exceptionally low standards.

[yang guize]

Our poor are reasonably well off, I won't argue that. And yet, many of our poor are having difficulty finding jobs. This is not a good time for us to be outsourcing.

maybe your poor should lower their price tag. it is what people in the rest of the world have to do (and are in fact compelled to do by international trade law).

[Symmetry]

Our poor are reasonably well off, I won't argue that. And yet, many of our poor are having difficulty finding jobs. This is not a good time for us to be outsourcing.

maybe your poor should lower their price tag. it is what people in the rest of the world have to do (and are in fact compelled to do by international trade law).

Is this the point where you troll too far? You really have no posts that contribute anything beyond angry demands and outright unreasonable hate.

What are you hoping to gain if Woody responds? It seems like you're fishing for an angry reply.

[yang guize]

i am interested in his view on a subject i find interesting. if you have nothing to say about it then no one is forcing your response.

the reason 'so many' of 'your' jobs get outsourced to a country like china is because labour is far more expensive in usa. in a world of world trade, it is obvious that unskilled labour (which is the only kind that gets outsourced, it is worth noting) would be move abroad to a cheaper country. it seems unwise to blame the company for moving the jobs. that is like blaming a shopper for shopping in the cheapest store.

[Symmetry]

i am interested in his view on a subject i find interesting. if you have nothing to say about it then no one is forcing your response.

the reason 'so many' of 'your' jobs get outsourced to a country like china is because labour is far more expensive in usa. in a world of world trade, it is obvious that unskilled labour (which is the only kind that gets outsourced, it is worth noting) would be move abroad to a cheaper country. it seems unwise to blame the company for moving the jobs. that is like blaming a shopper for shopping in the cheapest store.

I'm not American, and I doubt that Woody's job in the US military will be outsourced to China. Perhaps you'll get a better view of your subject when you start reading what people say. I'll be interested in seeing you agree with a poster for once, instead of trolling.

[Phatscotty]

LOL.

'free speech - the freedom of others to do or say anything that i approve of'

i do not approve of divorce. maybe i should organise hate campaigns against any restaurant that employs divorced people? their world view is clearly incompatible with mine, and this compromises their ability to serve delicious meals.

Ah, you haven't visited a Chick-Fil-A restaurant. Delicious isn't the word you want to employ. Adequate, perhaps, if you have exceptionally low standards.

"Chik-Fil-A is so delicious, I would still eat there, even if they supported slavery"

Detroit Lions Linebacker Justin Durant

[Phatscotty]

This is a repost of a video that is circulating the internet. The guy in the video is named Adam M. Smith and he has tried to pull this video off the internet since posting it. I am simply posting it to keep it around and show people what is going on.

Update: Mr. Smith has been fired today.

http://www.businessinsider.com/vante-cf ... -it-2012-8

Adam Smith, former CFO and treasurer of medical supplies manufacturer Vante, caused quite a stir when he put up a video of himself bullying a Chick-fil-A drive-thru employee in Tucson on YouTube.

Smith berates the worker about her company in the video, which was initially titled ”Reduce $’s to Chick-Fil-A’s Hate Groups.” It has since been taken down (though others have uploaded it too).

"I don't know how you live with yourself and work here," he tells the employee at the window. "I don't understand it. This is a horrible corporation with horrible values. You deserve better."

”I’m a nice guy, by the way … totally heterosexual," he continues. "Not a gay in me, I just can’t stand the hate.”

Chick-fil-A is currently in the middle of a controversy sparked by president and COO Dan Cathy's comments about gay marriage. He said that going against the Biblical definition of marriage is "inviting God's judgment on our nation."

Mayors slammed Chick-fil-A's stance on the issue and Jim Henson Co. pulled its toys from kids meals. Meanwhile, Mike Huckabee declared Wednesday "Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day," prompting crowds of supporters around the country to pack the restaurants. Chick-fil-A even set a one-day sales record that day.

Watch the video:

Vante didn't approve of Smith's behavior, and he's no longer working there.

Here's the press release from Vante announcing that Smith is "no longer an employee of our company," effective immediately:

TUCSON, AZ--(Marketwire - Aug 2, 2012) - The following is a statement from Vante:

Vante regrets the unfortunate events that transpired yesterday in Tucson between our former CFO/Treasurer Adam Smith and an employee at Chick-fil-A. Effective immediately, Mr. Smith is no longer an employee of our company.

The actions of Mr. Smith do not reflect our corporate values in any manner. Vante is an equal opportunity company with a diverse workforce, which holds diverse opinions. We respect the right of our employees and all Americans to hold and express their personal opinions, however, we also expect our company officers to behave in a manner commensurate with their position and in a respectful fashion that conveys these values of civility with others.

We hope that the general population does not hold Mr. Smith's actions against Vante and its employees.

Congratulations, Mr. Smith you can get a girl upset and almost bring her to tears. Let's pat you on the back for the Douche of the Day award.

I didn't watch with audio, I am at work.

I think he is delusional about the "30" college kids, a couple stores down...It looked like about 8 people to me, patronizing another restaurant. It's show this guy is not thinking clearly and suppressing his fantasies upon the reality of the situation, pretending that other people down the street are with him or something....twas very sad

I think he's gay

[Woodruff]

@woodruff,

I see where you're going with this, and I'll take the time to respond later. My internet connection is frustratingly slow, so until then!


#woodruffloveswalmart

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I may have a thread around here somewhere on the subject...though it's been a long time.

[Woodruff]

LOL.

'free speech - the freedom of others to do or say anything that i approve of'

i do not approve of divorce. maybe i should organise hate campaigns against any restaurant that employs divorced people? their world view is clearly incompatible with mine, and this compromises their ability to serve delicious meals.

Ah, you haven't visited a Chick-Fil-A restaurant. Delicious isn't the word you want to employ. Adequate, perhaps, if you have exceptionally low standards.

You lie!