AndyDufresne wrote:I'm for more stringent voter ID laws. The following requirements must be instituted immediately to ensure the safety of our democracy from rampant and widespread illegal voting:
1. A notarized document with my photo signed by 2,000 people attesting to the validity of me being me. 2. Birth and ancestry records going back at least 4 generations, proving that I was indeed born. 3. DNA testing to prove that I am of human ancestry, and not an alien.
--Andy
4. Avoid such hassles by 'donating' $200 to your local ID Registration Department.
Phatscotty wrote:Voter ID is one of the few things that a super majority of American's agree on. And that is why it's under attack by Obama and the Democrats.
Why is it that you're such a persistently lying jackass?
...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
Juan_Bottom wrote:People do need ID to register to Vote, just like they need an ID to buy a Gun. Problem solved, nobody disenfranchised.
In Pennsylvania it was understood that as many as 750,000 people wouldn't be able to vote because of their unconstitutional voter ID laws.
According to the case I wikied, it's not unconstitutional.
Different case - yours was in Indiana.
Depending upon how the Pennsylvania law was written (i.e. if it was modeled after the Indiana law), it could also be constitutional under this case. Certainly if the law goes to court on constitutional grounds, the state will cite heavily to the Indiana case and it would be persuasive if not outright authority.
Recent rulings are that it was apparently discriminatory. However, new changes might make it OK.
Bottom line... if you live in PA, you had best get an ID, but it might not be necessary to vote.
The only time I showed ID was when I hadn't registered to avoid the poll tax. When I got a polling card for someone who had moved out months ago delivered to my door I realised how much I didn't want the Tories to win again and took it to the polling station. My X counted!
PoliticsNation with Al Sharpton wrote:Republicans use phony claims of widespread voter fraud to justify their massive voter suppression campaign, but time after time we learn that of the small amount of fraud that's out there -- they're often the ones behind it.
That's happened again in Florida, where a GOP-paid firm is being investigated for registering dead people as Republicans. http://nbcnews.to/SiMj8r
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The State Supreme Court has refused to hear the voter ID case before the 2012 election -- meaning the law stays *off* the books for now. http://oshko.sh/NVGTTW
That's especially good news for the 300,000+ eligible voters in Wisconsin who lack ID.
Symmetry wrote: You're really out on the fringe with this stuff, no?
Is that what the scoreboard suggests to you? Fringe?
Sure, fringe- you've abandoned all attempts at making an argument for small government, and are proposing an expensive government tracking system for all citizens.
I don't know what you mean by scoreboard, but I know you've deteriorated from Tea Party idealist to Republican party hack.
Perhaps fringe was the wrong term- maybe you simply got absorbed, as many people predicted of TPers.
the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
Symmetry wrote: You're really out on the fringe with this stuff, no?
Is that what the scoreboard suggests to you? Fringe?
Sure, fringe- you've abandoned all attempts at making an argument for small government, and are proposing an expensive government tracking system for all citizens.
I don't know what you mean by scoreboard, but I know you've deteriorated from Tea Party idealist to Republican party hack.
Perhaps fringe was the wrong term- maybe you simply got absorbed, as many people predicted of TPers.
Have I? All attempts? Based on this one single issue? The projections are that this will pay for itself, in my state, so your information is from your ass and your leap to stretch this from a common sense issue and a legitimate function of gov't into a big government issue is pathetic
A government tracking system? wtf are you talking about? sounding a little fringe yourself there...
Scoreboard = poll
Tea Party? Again...wtf are you talking about?
Contradict yourself in the same post much? Notice your are admitting flat out that it is you yourself that got absorbed.
Your responses are as nutty as ever. Perhaps you should relax a little bit, and absorb yourself in some accurate information
Captain Robert McWhite is a Minnesota WWII veteran, former POW and a decorated war hero. When someone cheats in our elections, they rob legitimate voters of their sacred right to vote. Captain McWhite urges Minnesota voters to protect this sacred right by voting YES on Minnesota Voter ID Amendment. You can learn more about Captain McWhite's service to our nation at http://www.captainmcwhite.com/.
Symmetry wrote: You're really out on the fringe with this stuff, no?
Is that what the scoreboard suggests to you? Fringe?
Sure, fringe- you've abandoned all attempts at making an argument for small government, and are proposing an expensive government tracking system for all citizens.
I don't know what you mean by scoreboard, but I know you've deteriorated from Tea Party idealist to Republican party hack.
Perhaps fringe was the wrong term- maybe you simply got absorbed, as many people predicted of TPers.
Have I? All attempts? Based on this one single issue? The projections are that this will pay for itself, in my state, so your information is from your ass and your leap to stretch this from a common sense issue and a legitimate function of gov't into a big government issue is pathetic
A government tracking system? wtf are you talking about? sounding a little fringe yourself there...
Scoreboard = poll
Tea Party? Again...wtf are you talking about?
Contradict yourself in the same post much? Notice your are admitting flat out that it is you yourself that got absorbed.
Your responses are as nutty as ever. Perhaps you should relax a little bit, and absorb yourself in some accurate information
Captain Robert McWhite is a Minnesota WWII veteran, former POW and a decorated war hero. When someone cheats in our elections, they rob legitimate voters of their sacred right to vote. Captain McWhite urges Minnesota voters to protect this sacred right by voting YES on Minnesota Voter ID Amendment. You can learn more about Captain McWhite's service to our nation at http://www.captainmcwhite.com/.
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A sad response from a sadly declining mind. Maybe you're best off sticking with comic books.
the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
Symmetry wrote:Or trolling youtube videos without explanation.
the explanation is in the video.
Symmetry, it's a lot like a book. You like to read the title and say "meh.....". You should actually open the book, read it, gain knowledge, especially when it's on the issues you seem to care to deeply about.
If you continue to ignore the information, all that means is you admit you are willfully ignorant, as opposed to just ignorant.
Symmetry wrote:Or trolling youtube videos without explanation.
the explanation is in the video.
Symmetry, it's a lot like a book. You like to read the title and say "meh.....". You should actually open the book, read it, gain knowledge, especially when it's on the issues you seem to care to deeply about.
If you continue to ignore the information, all that means is you admit you are willfully ignorant, as opposed to just ignorant.
WHoa whoa whoa, Symmetry is not here to have a rational debate. He's only here to reinforce his limited worldview.
Symmetry wrote:Or trolling youtube videos without explanation.
the explanation is in the video.
Symmetry, it's a lot like a book. You like to read the title and say "meh.....". You should actually open the book, read it, gain knowledge, especially when it's on the issues you seem to care to deeply about.
If you continue to ignore the information, all that means is you admit you are willfully ignorant, as opposed to just ignorant.
WHoa whoa whoa, Symmetry is not here to have a rational debate. He's only here to reinforce his limited worldview.
the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
Symmetry wrote:Or trolling youtube videos without explanation.
the explanation is in the video.
Symmetry, it's a lot like a book. You like to read the title and say "meh.....". You should actually open the book, read it, gain knowledge, especially when it's on the issues you seem to care to deeply about.
If you continue to ignore the information, all that means is you admit you are willfully ignorant, as opposed to just ignorant.
WHoa whoa whoa, Symmetry is not here to have a rational debate. He's only here to reinforce his limited worldview.
Symmetry wrote:Or trolling youtube videos without explanation.
the explanation is in the video.
Symmetry, it's a lot like a book. You like to read the title and say "meh.....". You should actually open the book, read it, gain knowledge, especially when it's on the issues you seem to care to deeply about.
If you continue to ignore the information, all that means is you admit you are willfully ignorant, as opposed to just ignorant.
WHoa whoa whoa, Symmetry is not here to have a rational debate. He's only here to reinforce his limited worldview.
the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
Phatscotty wrote: Symmetry, it's a lot like a book. You like to read the title and say "meh.....". You should actually open the book, read it, gain knowledge, especially when it's on the issues you seem to care to deeply about.
If you continue to ignore the information, all that means is you admit you are willfully ignorant, as opposed to just ignorant.
WHoa whoa whoa, Symmetry is not here to have a rational debate. He's only here to reinforce his limited worldview.
Phatscotty wrote:Have I? All attempts? Based on this one single issue? The projections are that this will pay for itself
You keep saying this, yet it makes absolutely no sense at all. Both thegreekdog and I have asked you to back up this claim and how it can possibly save money, and you keep refusing to provide that information. I think you're just making shit up out of desperation, frankly.
Phatscotty wrote:Contradict yourself in the same post much? Notice your are admitting flat out that it is you yourself that got absorbed.
He's done no such thing, Mr Paul. I guess when you change a last name for a first name, they look the same to you?
...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
Phatscotty wrote:If you continue to ignore the information, all that means is you admit you are willfully ignorant, as opposed to just ignorant.
This is good stuff, coming from someone without the capability for self-reflection.
...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
Phatscotty wrote:If you continue to ignore the information, all that means is you admit you are willfully ignorant, as opposed to just ignorant.
This is good stuff, coming from someone without the capability for self-reflection.
I'm sorry you are still feeling so pissy, Woodruff.
I'm sorry you're still without the capability for self-reflection, never mind the desire to continue making statements that have zero support for them.
...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
