Great Military Battles in History

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Eighty years ago, Allied troops stormed the beaches of Guadalcanal in the Solomon Islands.

It was the first Allied offensive in the Pacific, and it began to roll back the Japanese advance.

The Solomons are now the site of another competition between the US and its allies and China.

After a massive air and naval bombardment early on August 7, 1942, some 11,000 US Marines stormed the islands of Guadalcanal, Tulagi, and Florida in the southern part of the Solomon Islands.

While I don't really think Guadalcanal qualifies as a "great" battle, it was one of the few interesting battles of WWII.

Yeah you don't see people making movies about Guadalcanal. Whereas that battle with the 300 Spartans on the other hand...

Sorry, you are wrong, PS; you may not have seen these movies nor are these as famous as the 300, but there are movies about this battle. Do not underestimate Hollywood.

Are there any movies about Guadalcanal?
Guadalcanal Diary is a 1943 World War II war film directed by Lewis Seiler, featuring Preston Foster, Lloyd Nolan, William Bendix, Richard Conte, Anthony Quinn and the film debut of Richard Jaeckel. It is based on the book of the same name by Richard Tregaskis

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guadalcanal_Diary_(film)#:~:text=Guadalcanal%20Diary%20is%20a%201943,same%20name%20by%20Richard%20Tregaskis.

Guadalcanal was a necessary and expensive lesson for the US Marines in their Pacific battle against the Japanese. It was the start of the island hopping war which eventually led all the way to Japan's doorstep.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1989513/ 1999 movie

7: The Thin Red Line (1998, USA): It’s hell in paradise as the US Army lands on Guadalcanal – where the Japanese await them. An all-star cast deployed for ace director Terrence Malick’s return to film-making after a 20-year layoff. The plot (is there one?) gets lost, but with Nick Nolte, John Travolta, Sean Penn, George Clooney, Woody Harrelson and many another fine thesps popping up to chew the scenery for a cameo before disappearing again, who cares? While only a handful of the characters survive their own incompetence and the malice or stupidity of their officers (not to mention the enemy) there are gorgeous shots a-plenty and a superb set-piece – an assault on a Japanese-held hill. In terms of direction, this is the closest Pacific War equivalent to Francis Ford Coppola’s Vietnam War classic, Apocalypse Now.

https://asiatimes.com/2020/08/the-pacific-war-top-10-films/

The Pacific: Inside The Battle - Guadalcanal (HBO)
411,305 viewsApr 16, 2010

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8. Battle of Kadesh (1274 BC)

Battle Between: New Kingdom of Egypt and the Hittite Empire
Egyptian Leader: Ramesses II
Hittite Empire Leader: Muwatalli II
Date: May 1274 BC
Victory: Egyptian...this is unclear to me in the paragraph quoted below
Location: Orontes River near Kadesh
Hittite Army: 20,000
Egyptian Army: 23,000–50,000

The Battle of Kadesh is the oldest ever recorded military battle in history in which the details of formations and tactics are known. The battle took place in present-day Syria between the Egyptians (Ramesses II) and the Hittite Empire (Muwatalli II). Ramesses, along with his bodyguard, arrived from the north to join the Amun division and set up a fortified camp to await the Ra division who were marching from the north. They captured two Hittite spies who, after being tortured, revealed the true location of Muwatalli’s army. After learning the location, Ramesses summoned the remainder of the army and planned to attack the Ra division. When Muwatalli saw an approaching army, he sent his chariot force south of Kadesh to attack the approaching Ra division.

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8. Battle of Kadesh (1274 BC)

Battle Between: New Kingdom of Egypt and the Hittite Empire
Egyptian Leader: Ramesses II
Hittite Empire Leader: Muwatalli II
Date: May 1274 BC
Victory: Egyptian...this is unclear to me in the paragraph quoted below
Location: Orontes River near Kadesh
Hittite Army: 20,000
Egyptian Army: 23,000–50,000

The Battle of Kadesh is the oldest ever recorded military battle in history in which the details of formations and tactics are known. The battle took place in present-day Syria between the Egyptians (Ramesses II) and the Hittite Empire (Muwatalli II). Ramesses, along with his bodyguard, arrived from the north to join the Amun division and set up a fortified camp to await the Ra division who were marching from the north. They captured two Hittite spies who, after being tortured, revealed the true location of Muwatalli’s army. After learning the location, Ramesses summoned the remainder of the army and planned to attack the Ra division. When Muwatalli saw an approaching army, he sent his chariot force south of Kadesh to attack the approaching Ra division.

---------- Maybe the oldest.... Recorded battle.....But it is the 1st Peace Treaty in World History...Why would that have been left out....Not by Jp4fun....But by the resources....A copy of the treaty...Is at the U.N. for everyone to see....

------- You know what city is a few miles a way , or close by even back then....Also when Roman Emperor Crasis(I know his name is not spelt right)...He was with Pompeii and Caesar...in the Triad....Anyway...He went East to conquer and was killed the day after leaving that old city....What city???.... Don't ask Independent Gary Johnson....ALEPPO....... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

--------Not Jp4fun....But as for oldest battle.... recorded....There are older battles in The Bible..The Bible is not only a religious book....But a History book....That can be taken for real History...
------- In World War 1.... British and Ottoman forces fighting in the Holy Land....The Ottomans had the British pinned down/trapped.....A British Lt. Realized where he was...He took out his Bible...Looked at what he thought....They were fighting right at the spot....In the Old Testament where King Saul and his son Prince Johnathan were fighting the Philistines all those years before....Where Johnathan used a secret path to get behind the Philistines...The British Lt. Found the secret path...The British troops got behind the Ottomans...Like King Saul....The British were Victorious..... Unfortunately for Saul and Johnathan, they were killed, defeated in a later battle against the Philistines....But avenged by King David...
--------- Another reason, not to erase ,ban, cancel History....It comes in handy from time to time..... History always repeats......

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ConfederateSS said:

Maybe the oldest.... Recorded battle.....But it is the 1st Peace Treaty in World History...Why would that have been left out....Not by Jp4fun.

Perhaps because the source was about BATTLES and not about peace treaties. I did not write that piece and barely knew about that battle, so that is mere speculation. I did apply Occam's Razor and got a close shave and a close to valid conjecture.

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-------The Bible records a battle in early 2,000 B.C.ish..around 1880/1800 B.C.... Genesis 14...The Battle of 9 Kings...or Battle of The Valley of Siddim....This has also been proven in Archeology....There are one of the Kings....Known as The Chedorlaomer Tablets , now housed in The British Museum....
----------- I used the WW1 battle....The Bible is a recorded History book.... .... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...
------------ The British tablets... also had another tablet...When Jean Vincent Scheil(I'm guessing German) in the early 20th Century...Found in The Ottoman Museum in Istanbul....A tablet sent by Hamarrabbi to The King of Elam...Khad- lum-or in the Assyrian language....As Archeologists tried to find the Kings named in Genesis 14...

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The Bible is NOT a History book, NOR a book about History. AND it is not a Science book, either.

[ConfederateSS]

The Bible is NOT a History book, NOR a book about History. AND it is not a Science book, either.

-------------When discussing the battle of Kadesh...One would talk about the peace treaty...That is the most famous fact about the battle....

------------- Yes, The Bible is a History book...You can match time and time again.... Mankind,GOD, the History of the World, right in step with the Bible... When Joseph went to Egypt, Moses Left.... Joshua and his Manifest Destiny of the people of Canaan... The Great Flood of Noah... There are Places around The World...Southeast Asia, South America, that tell of a great flood... Speaking of which...Maybe Noah should have talked about global warming....Or, maybe the world of Today should get back to GOD...If everyone is that worried about the seas rising.... ...... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ...

------------ As for the Oldest battle....Maybe a lost city any where in the world, may tell of a battle...Maybe Atlantis will be found, a battle that sent it to Davey Jones' locker...Off the coast of Japan, there looks to be a man made structure under water, that is over 10,000 years old...You have India , The Oldest Country in the World China....Over 5,000 years old..The West ignores China's Calander....Just think of all the battles fought in Chinese History...That are 4,5 thousand years old that are never talked about in West History....As for Atlantis...As the Earth has moved around... Continents moved....The top Earth crust moves...I think Antarctica is Atlantis actually....It shifted south and was covered in ice, never sank...What if The Equator froze...The Poles warmed up...Under the melted ice of Antarctica, Atlantis and it's lost civilization is revealed... ...

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The Bible is NOT a History book, NOR a book about History. AND it is not a Science book, either.

-------------When discussing the battle of Kadesh...One would talk about the peace treaty...That is the most famous fact about the battle....

I disagree.

I doubt more than 2% of the world even know of this battle. To say the peace treaty is the most famous fact after the battle puts the cart in front of the horse. There would be no peace treaty without the battle (or the war) of which this battle is part of, between the Egyptians and the Hittites. Without further reading, I cannot tell you ONE fact about the resulting peace treaty.

Further, there is some confusion between the Hittites of Turkey and the Hittites mentioned in the Bible. You can read on that matter.

------------- Yes, The Bible is a History book...You can match time and time again.... Mankind,GOD, the History of the World, right in step with the Bible... When Joseph went to Egypt, Moses Left.... Joshua and his Manifest Destiny of the people of Canaan... The Great Flood of Noah... There are Places around The World...Southeast Asia, South America, that tell of a great flood... Speaking of which...Maybe Noah should have talked about global warming....Or, maybe the world of Today should get back to GOD...If everyone is that worried about the seas rising.... ...[/size]... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ...

There is no geological evidence of a SIMULTANEOUS world-wide FLOOD. Yes, many parts of the world has been under water, but that is OVER many millions and even billions of years. Study Geology and that will be apparent. {WARNING: My speculation here:} And realize that the story of the Flood that impacted Noah COULD have originated when the Jewish people were captured and sent into exile into Babylon. There they encountered the story of Gilgamesh.

------------ As for the Oldest battle....Maybe a lost city any where in the world, may tell of a battle...Maybe Atlantis will be found, a battle that sent it to Davey Jones' locker...Off the coast of Japan, there looks to be a man made structure under water, that is over 10,000 years old...You have India , The Oldest Country in the World China....Over 5,000 years old..The West ignores China's Calander....Just think of all the battles fought in Chinese History...That are 4,5 thousand years old that are never talked about in West History....As for Atlantis...As the Earth has moved around... Continents moved....The top Earth crust moves...I think Antarctica is Atlantis actually....It shifted south and was covered in ice, never sank...What if The Equator froze...The Poles warmed up...Under the melted ice of Antarctica, Atlantis and it's lost civilization is revealed... ...

I did not say (only the) OLDEST battle; I said oldest

recorded military battle in history in which the details of formations and tactics are known

You did not read and cite the entire sentence. ALSO, All of your posts in that paragraph are merely speculation and much or nearly all is not supported by real evidence. Your points are mostly moot.

ConfedSS: Rather than saying anything significant on this matter (and battle), you want to nit-pick what I said (and further, you misquote me); most of your points are really unimportant. You spin this narrative of "what ifs" and hope to make a valid point when in reality, you merely post speculation that is mostly not supported by facts. I tend to agree with some of what you say, but your approach makes it difficult to validate and support your ideas.

You have offered no significant rebuttal to my statement that the Bible is not a book of Science and not a book of History.

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I want to expand on this point: the Bible is not a book of Science and not a book of History.

The Old Testament of the Bible is the recordings of the oral traditions of the nomadic Jewish people. Much of the oldest stories were not put into actual writing until many years after such events were to have taken place. Some of our oldest actual written and surviving records are the Dead Sea Scrolls and they date ONLY to some 2,000 years. We have few surviving records before that time.

The good news is that Dead Sea Scrolls match very well to other records of the Old Testament from other sources. The Jews valued oral testimony over written documents 2,000 years ago and before. One can question a person giving testimony; one cannot ask a document a question to which it can respond. Makes sense; our legal system agrees. With our ability to record and preserve documents, we now put a great deal of credence in many "official" documents, such as legal contracts.

Even the 4 Gospels of the canon and the New Testament were not written until many years after Jesus Christ was crucified. The early Christians expected Christ to return before most of the Apostles were dead. They missed that prediction of the End of the World, along with many many other thinkers throughout History.

Archeological evidence offers some support of Biblical accounts, BUT not COMPLETE affirmation of all Bible stories. The "Science" in the Bible is mostly in Genesis. Many Christians believe that the world, according to Genesis, is only THOUSANDS of year old, perhaps around 6,000 years old. Science does not support that timeline. There are many parallels between Genesis and the Cosmology based on Physics. The ONLY real discrepancy is the TIME. Physics says the universe is about 13.7 billion years old vs. about 6,000 years for some Bible Scholars and many Christians.

People can and do draw different conclusions from the same set of data and facts. Some even make bad and incorrect conclusions.

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Battle of Megiddo (15th century BC)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Battle of Megiddo (fought 15th century BC) was fought between Egyptian forces under the command of Pharaoh Thutmose III and a large rebellious coalition of Canaanite vassal states led by the king of Kadesh.[4] It is the first battle to have been recorded in what is accepted as relatively reliable detail. Megiddo is also the first recorded use of the composite bow and the first body count.[5] All details of the battle come from Egyptian sources—primarily the hieroglyphic writings on the Hall of Annals in the Temple of Amun-Re at Karnak, Thebes (now Luxor), by the military scribe Tjaneni.

The ancient Egyptian account gives the date of the battle as the 21st day of the first month of the third season, of Year 23 of the reign of Thutmose III. It has been claimed that this was April 16, 1457 BC, according to the Middle Chronology, although other publications place the battle in 1482 BC or 1479 BC. The Egyptians routed the Canaanite forces, which fled to safety in the city of Megiddo. Their action resulted in the lengthy Siege of Megiddo.

By reestablishing Egyptian dominance in the Levant, Thutmose III began a reign in which the Egyptian Empire reached its greatest expanse.

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Results
Egypt's realm was expanded by this campaign. As Paul K. Davis wrote, "By reestablishing Egyptian dominance in Canaan, Thutmose began a reign in which Egypt reached its greatest expanse as an empire."[12] Thutmose III required from the defeated kings that they each send a son to the Egyptian court. There, they received an Egyptian education. When they returned to their homelands, they governed with Egyptian sympathies. Nevertheless, the victory at Megiddo was only the beginning of the pacification of the Levant. Only after several further campaigns, conducted almost annually, was the unrest cooled. One unanticipated result came in the form of the word Armageddon, which took its root from Megiddo's name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Megiddo_(15th_century_BC)

[jimboston]

“You sank my battleship!”

Personally I always preferred Risk.

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jimmie-boi has never won a game of Battleship; it is much too complex for him to figure out.

Hint: use the JFK strategy, but be successful with it so you do not write messages on coconuts.

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Now I will nit-pick; ConfedSS made TWO mistakes:

Also when Roman Emperor Crasis(I know his name is not spelt right)

Crassus was not an Emperor of Rome or anywhere. His death led to Julius Ceasar later becoming the first Roman Emperor.

Marcus Licinius Crassus (115 – 53 BC) was a Roman general and statesman who played a key role in the transformation of the Roman Republic into the Roman Empire. He is often called "the richest man in Rome."[3][4]

Crassus began his public career as a military commander under Lucius Cornelius Sulla during his civil war. Following Sulla's assumption of the dictatorship, Crassus amassed an enormous fortune through real estate speculation. Crassus rose to political prominence following his victory over the slave revolt led by Spartacus, sharing the consulship with his rival Pompey the Great.

A political and financial patron of Julius Caesar, Crassus joined Caesar and Pompey in the unofficial political alliance known as the First Triumvirate. Together, the three men dominated the Roman political system, but the alliance did not last long, due to the ambitions, egos, and jealousies of the three men. While Caesar and Crassus were lifelong allies, Crassus and Pompey disliked each other and Pompey grew increasingly envious of Caesar's spectacular successes in the Gallic Wars. The alliance was restabilized at the Lucca Conference in 56 BC, after which Crassus and Pompey again served jointly as consuls. Following his second consulship, Crassus was appointed as the governor of Roman Syria. Crassus used Syria as the launchpad for a military campaign against the Parthian Empire, Rome's long-time eastern enemy. Crassus' campaign was a disastrous failure, ending in his defeat and death at the Battle of Carrhae.

Crassus' death permanently unraveled the alliance between Caesar and Pompey, since his political influence and wealth had been a counterbalance to the two greater militarists. Within four years of Crassus' death, Caesar crossed the Rubicon and began a civil war against Pompey and the optimates.[5]

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jimmie-boi has never won a game of Battleship; it is much too complex for him to figure out.

Hint: use the JFK strategy, but be successful with it so you do not write messages on coconuts.

Your “HINT” makes no sense…. I mean it’s nonsensical in so many ways I don;t know where to begin breaking it down.

Your opening sentence is almost funny, and had you left it there you could’ve been proud about hitting me with a little zinger… but then you continued and just ended with a big FAIL.

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jimmie-boi has never won a game of Battleship; it is much too complex for him to figure out.

Hint: use the JFK strategy, but be successful with it so you do not write messages on coconuts.

Your “HINT” makes no sense…. I mean it’s nonsensical in so many ways I don;t know where to begin breaking it down.

Your opening sentence is almost funny, and had you left it there you could’ve been proud about hitting me with a little zinger… but then you continued and just ended with a big FAIL.

To jimmie-boi the Hint is

nonsensical

because it is obvious that jimmie-boi:

1) Does not understand the role of a PT boat in the game Battleship;
2) Does not know much about President Kennedy (JFK, for those who may not be aware);
3) Does not know the story of the message on a coconut as it relates to JFK.

BTW: besides reading LOTS on JFK, (including Profiles in Courage when in grade school, at the recommendation of one of my teachers) I recently finished reading Killing Kennedy by Bill O'Reilly and Martin Dugard.

[jimboston]

The role of the PT boat in the game is obvious and has absolutely NOTHING to do with JFK and is not related to JFK in anyway.
The game of Battleship was played with pen & paper since the 1930’s and predates WW2 and JFK.

Maybe you’re confusing it with this game?



As for JFK and his “heroic” adventures….

You do realize my profile name contains the word “Boston” and I am from Massachusetts, right?
John Fitzgerald Kennedy is basically a demi-god to most of the fools in this state. You basically have to be illiterate, bury your head in the sand on Chappaquiddick, and have a sub-90 IQ to grow up in this area and not know about JFK and his fuckin’ coconut.

The coconut idea worked out, so good for him… but he’s really not a hero. His bad decisions in the first place is what cause the PT Boat accident… and if it wasn’t for his fast-thinking and well-connected daddy he may very well have been court-marshaled. At the very least he would’ve been reprimanded and lost his command.

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You, jimmie-boi said

nonsensical

not me. NOW jimmie-boi tries to back track his ignorance.

Run along and play on the freeway, jimmie-boi.

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Says a sage:

What is too sublime for you, seek not,

into things beyond your strength search not.

[jimboston]

Good you’re truly a fuckin’ idiot.

Done.

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Good you’re truly a fuckin’ idiot.

Done.

At least I engage with sex with someone I love. You are an incel who (very, very likely) has never BEEN with a naked woman.

And NO, I am not an idiot. Those who KNOW me know in RL know that I am ignorant of a few things, like how to sell nuts, bolts, and washers. But, unlike your knowledge base, those things of which I am ignorant are not important to 99.9% of humans who live or lived or will live. You are STOOPID, jimmie boi.

jimmie boi = incel = MORON

I will get back on topic. Send more Battleships and more coconuts.

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Armageddon, sometimes rendered “Har–​Magedon” (Hebrew Har Meghiddohnʹ), means “Mountain of Megiddo.” Megiddo was once a city in the territory of ancient Israel. History tells of decisive battles that were fought in its vicinity, including some that are recorded in the Bible. (Judges 5:​19, 20; 2 Kings 9:​27; 23:29) However, Armageddon cannot refer to the literal area near ancient Megiddo. There is no large mountain there, and even the entire adjoining Low Plain of Jezreel could not contain all those who will fight against God.

and what about the Vikings and the Norse myths?

In Norse mythology, Ragnarök which in Old Norse translates to "Doom of the Gods" is the battle at the end of the world. It is to be fought between the gods or Æsir, led by Odin; and the fire giants, the Jötnar and other monsters, led by Loki and Surtr. Not only will most of the gods, giants, and monsters die in this battle, but almost everything in the universe will be destroyed.

Unlike most religions, Buddhism teaches that the universe never begins or ends. ''The cosmos we live in is only one of an infinite number,'' said Frank Reynolds, a professor at the University of Chicago. ''There definitely is an apocalyptic end to our world, by wind, fire or water.'' But there is no date attached to the destruction of the world, many Buddhists believe, and the universe endures.

https://www.nytimes.com/1999/04/03/arts/apocalyptic-meditations-every-faith-has-a-view.html#:~:text=we%20all%20awaken.-,'',by%20wind%2C%20fire%20or%20water.

Kalkin, also called Kalki, final avatar (incarnation) of the Hindu god Vishnu, who is yet to appear. At the end of the present Kali yuga (age), when virtue and dharma have disappeared and the world is ruled by the unjust, Kalkin will appear to destroy the wicked and to usher in a new age. He will be seated on a white horse with a naked sword in his hand, blazing like a comet. He is less commonly represented in painting and sculpture than the other avatars of Vishnu and is shown either on horseback or accompanied by his horse. According to some legends of the end of the world, Kalkin’s horse will stamp the earth with its right foot, causing the tortoise which supports the world to drop into the deep. Then the gods will restore the earth once again to its former purity.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Kalkin

Where are those CoCoNuts, besides my friend, jimmie-boi?

[jimboston]

ok karen

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This battlefield is near my home:

Hanover County, VA | May 31 - Jun 12, 1864
As Union forces advanced toward Richmond in the spring of 1864, Gen. Robert E. Lee’s Confederate army repulsed and outmaneuvered Gen. Ulysses S. Grant’s troops at Cold Harbor in a devastating two-week action that cost more than 17,000 lives.

How it ended
Confederate victory. The Union failed to penetrate Confederate defenses in a fierce fight. Despite the staggering losses at Cold Harbor, Grant managed to withdraw his troops and then deceive the Confederates for days as his army stealthily crossed the James River and marched towards Petersburg.

In context
In the summer of 1864, the Union Army of the Potomac was fighting its way south toward Richmond, Virginia. In a series of battles collectively known as the Overland Campaign, the Federals had suffered more than 50,000 casualties but had also forced Robert E. Lee’s Confederate veterans to abandon much of northern Virginia. The small crossroads of Cold Harbor, just 10 miles north of Richmond, became the focal point of the action in late May. From May 31–June 3, Ulysses S. Grant ordered repeated attacks against entrenched Confederate positions, culminating in an enormously bloody repulse on June 3. Both armies held their ground and kept up a withering fire between the lines until June 12, at which point Grant withdrew but continued to move east and south. The Army of the Potomac crossed the James River and, by June 16, was in position to directly threaten the manufacturing and rail center of Petersburg—a critical gateway to Richmond.

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/civil-war/battles/cold-harbor

As a result of this battle, the nearby High School was called Lee-Davis and the mascot was the Confederates. Of course, both changed. So did the mascot of Douglas S. Freeman High School, from the Rebels to the Mavericks.

Douglas S. Freeman High School
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Part of Henrico County Public Schools system,[3] the institution is named for Pulitzer Prize-winning Virginia author, newspaper editor, historian and pioneering radio broadcaster Douglas Southall Freeman (1886–1953).[4] It opened in 1954,[4] slightly more than one year after Freeman's death.

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The school colors are blue and gray and the teams are nicknamed the "Mavericks".[8] The colors and mascot were devised as a tribute to Douglas Freeman's extensive study of the Civil War.

I wrote about D. S. Freeman elsewhere:
https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=236280&start=75

[HitRed]

7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

— Revelation 12:7–10 (NIV)

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7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

— Revelation 12:7–10 (NIV)

The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a heav’n of hell, a hell of heav’n. What matter where, if I be still the same, And what I should be, all but less than he Whom thunder hath made greater? Here at least We shall be free: th’Almighty hath not built Here for his envy, will not drive us hence: Here we may reign secure, and in my choice To reign is worth ambition, though in hell; Better to reign in hell than serve in heav’n.

–Paradise Lost, Book One, lines 254-263

(by John Milton)