DANCINGMUSTARD GONE FOREVER!

[StiffMittens]

soooo loooong Mustard!

I'm disappointed with the avatar change, captain! Your last one really was much more fitting.

What are you talking about? I am DM...

No, you're lack.

wait, I'm confused... who's multi am I again?

Sarah Palin's

[joecoolfrog]

Nice attempt at trying to brighten my day.

We already ignored you once.

The last post on a page almost always gets ignored cause people who post in a thread usually go to the last page hence the re-post. I am unignorable!

You are being ignored in the same way one would ignore a 2 day old pile of vomit.

[captain.crazy]

It must suck for you guys, all bent out of shape, over the loss of your leader, and to top it off, I am loving it, so that is salt in your wounds...

But the best is yet to come. lol... when your multi hunters discover that I am no multi, hahahaha

that will be like raw fluoride on the salt in the wound.

[joecoolfrog]

It must suck for you guys, all bent out of shape, over the loss of your leader, and to top it off, I am loving it, so that is salt in your wounds...

But the best is yet to come. lol... when your multi hunters discover that I am no multi, hahahaha

that will be like raw fluoride on the salt in the wound.

Why would we care, you are off to the wilderness next Thurdsay so thats an end to you

[Simon Viavant]

f*ck off BES nobody cares about you.
Or would you prefer the_lion?

Who is BES?

got me, but apparently, when people around here don't like you, because you are conservative, they call you a multi.

Um, FYI BES you're not a conservative on this account, in case you forgot.

[bedub1]

My regards to the loss of another wonderful contribution to this site. I never liked the guy, thought his comments were terrible, but I never like to see another one bite the dust. Can't we all just get along?

/me pours out some beer

[Iliad]

This was a surprise.

Let's observe the moderator's favourite course of action after a controversial decision-hide and wait for people to forget. At best one or two mods will come in here offer cryptic posts on the lines of "a customer is always wrong, if you don't think so go away"

And they'll try and wait it out. Fucking tired of all this bullshit modding. I don't care if you need a power rush, and moderating on an online Risk site, gives you that.

[F1fth]

My regards to the loss of another wonderful contribution to this site. I never liked the guy, thought his comments were terrible, but I never like to see another one bite the dust. Can't we all just get along?

/me pours out some beer

Exactly. This place would be (even) shittier if you didn't have people you disagreed with. If any 'Pubbie (well most of them) got a permanent vacation, I would feel the same for them. I actually kinda regret saying I was glad to see Xtra go, son-of-a-bitch that he was.

And Crazy, if you think that anything you say can come close to generating the amount of displeasure many of us in the community have over the loss of DM, you are far more stupid than I had imagined. You are unimportant.

[Skittles!]

Being permabanned sucks arse. At least he has the games..

I know you're reading this DM, so good luck. See you on POA occasionally (if you still go there)

[TheProwler]

At any rate i made a thread to say my piece, and the banana loving cunt will probably ban my happy ass too - ask me if i give a flying f*ck.

Do you give a flying f*ck?




Blunt?



You there?




Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mr Changsha]

Very poor decision. However there is something deliciously ironic about perma-banning him from the forums but still allowing him to play games. I can't see that being much of a consolation...

[Frigidus]

My regards to the loss of another wonderful contribution to this site. I never liked the guy, thought his comments were terrible, but I never like to see another one bite the dust. Can't we all just get along?

/me pours out some beer

Exactly. This place would be (even) shittier if you didn't have people you disagreed with. If any 'Pubbie (well most of them) got a permanent vacation, I would feel the same for them. I actually kinda regret saying I was glad to see Xtra go, son-of-a-bitch that he was.

And Crazy, if you think that anything you say can come close to generating the amount of displeasure many of us in the community have over the loss of DM, you are far more stupid than I had imagined. You are unimportant.

I've come to the same conclusion about Xtra. It sure feels nice seeing someone banned when they piss you off, but after seeing several enjoyable posters banned over trash and exaggeration I don't think I can support the banning of anyone, ever. As someone mentioned earlier, if you don't like their posts there's a foe button for you. It's like your own little banhammer. That that isn't enough indicates to me that a) one of the mods threw a temper tantrum (and threw out any semblance of impartial judgment they might have had) and b) none of the other mods gave a shit.

If this place didn't have such a good supporting cast of posters I'd have left over the shitty moderation a long time ago. DM said it best recently:

Man, I had forgotten how much I missed this place and how much I enjoyed the semi-trolling debates that flourish in OT.

Seriously, trolled a whole load of sites while I was away and joined in a ton of very serious debates... but nowhere was quite as much fun as here. It was all either too trolly, too stupid, or too grown-up and serious, I just couldn't quite find an atmosphere that suited.

In other words, I just wanted you all to know that it feels pretty good to be back.

[jiminski]

I've come to the same conclusion about Xtra. It sure feels nice seeing someone banned when they piss you off, but after seeing several enjoyable posters banned over trash and exaggeration I don't think I can support the banning of anyone, ever. As someone mentioned earlier, if you don't like their posts there's a foe button for you. It's like your own little banhammer. That that isn't enough indicates to me that a) one of the mods threw a temper tantrum (and threw out any semblance of impartial judgment they might have had) and b) none of the other mods gave a shit.

If this place didn't have such a good supporting cast of posters I'd have left over the shitty moderation a long time ago. DM said it best recently:

Man, I had forgotten how much I missed this place and how much I enjoyed the semi-trolling debates that flourish in OT.

Seriously, trolled a whole load of sites while I was away and joined in a ton of very serious debates... but nowhere was quite as much fun as here. It was all either too trolly, too stupid, or too grown-up and serious, I just couldn't quite find an atmosphere that suited.

In other words, I just wanted you all to know that it feels pretty good to be back.

hmmmmm you open up the exact crux of the matter here Frig.

The reason Mustard bothered to grace us with his energy was due to the tone and dynamics of the site.

Give the site Mods etc their dues - their balance of authority whilst allowing for organic conversation and creativity allows what Mustard describes above. Their philosophy of action and how they perceive the sites direction is the soil and we are the flowers all vying for the light of acceptance, the synthesis of attention.

It is a fine, fine balance and one which we, the baying and derisive masses, rarely credit them for.
But our reluctant satisfaction is a part of the dynamic too. That we are one step from revolt at all times guides the tone of the site.. if we do it correctly. That we mock all aspects, and then stay anyway, should be reflection of our satisfaction. I agree that that is a subtle measure for the Site police to make.

The problem is that we now seem to be embarking on a new direction with a new tone. The ban-stick seems to be out with greater frequency. I have no problem with that but the permanent ban used to be so rare as to be almost shocking. It was the last recourse for the heinous activist; the racist, the outrageous point dumper and those who perpetually ruined the the character of the site.
Now it seems to be a tool to wave to maintain authoriteee for its own sake or to relieve the frustrations of the site civil-servants.

.. That's not enough in my opinion.. and i concede an opinion is all it is! But if we allow, unchecked, this 'new subtle direction' then the site will fall from exactly what Mustard describes above. It will become bland and easy. It will become the refuge of all the good little boys and girls who toe the party line. It is our job to make the Mods and Andy realise that the site does not actually want that. They may think they do .. but they do not.


Now specifically; Mustard was a pain in the mods arse... of course he was! He was disruptive and inventively subversive.. he was the boy who did not give a fuck about the consequences of moderation. So the leaders will say "We must show to the rest that rules have to be obeyed and actions have consequences!"

It's a compelling argument but it is also a lazy argument. It also, if you think about it, purely illustrates this new and sanitised direction we are moving in. Why do the mods have to give the ultimate sanction for small and repetitive rule infractions? In my opinion, quite from showing strength, it shows fear and weakness in the face of fun and mischief!

Banning Mustard Permanently for never-ending and frequent infraction, is like giving a petty criminal the death penalty! No modern, self-confident society does that! We, as civilised and reflective human beings, mock such weakness in a society. What we do is keep punishing.. with longer sentences surely but no one realistically forwards that the level of disruption and evil committed by stealing a TV is deserving of the ultimate recourse. It is a given that no amount of repetition of such crimes warrants such retribution.

Now with greater relevance to this particular case - Mustard was more akin to a surrealist comedian with an activists agenda. By banning the inconveniently intellectual, who have an alternative slant on life, we once more show our weakness.
If our little, loosely combined group can not retain its most elaborate yet ultimately passive dissenters then we are doomed to mediocrity and stagnation.

If, merely by the repetition of minor rule infraction, we are to be punished by death? ... then we need to call for the adjustment of this new site philosophy.

The site is a good deal less without such characters.

[InkL0sed]

A very Danton-esque speech, jiminski.

But this happens at every execution, and it does no good. Robespierre will have all of our heads.

[xelabale]

DM - you were witty and annoying, idiotic and clever, sophisticated and blunt. You were an ass that got their ass handed to them, by asses.

Sad to see you go - good luck in your next multi.

[jiminski]

A very Danton-esque speech, jiminski.

But this happens at every execution, and it does no good. Robespierre will have all of our heads.

true enough Ink .. but they no longer use the guillotine in France

[Pedronicus]

This sucks. I for one will miss DM and his witty posts.
I agree 100% with Jim's long post

[captain.crazy]

f*ck off BES nobody cares about you.
Or would you prefer the_lion?

Who is BES?

got me, but apparently, when people around here don't like you, because you are conservative, they call you a multi.

Um, FYI BES you're not a conservative on this account, in case you forgot.

what complete nonsense! I am a conservative. Libertarians are true conservatives, you ought to know that.

[thegreekdog]

f*ck off BES nobody cares about you.
Or would you prefer the_lion?

Who is BES?

got me, but apparently, when people around here don't like you, because you are conservative, they call you a multi.

Um, FYI BES you're not a conservative on this account, in case you forgot.

what complete nonsense! I am a conservative. Libertarians are true conservatives, you ought to know that.

Libertarians are not conservative. Libertarians are socially LIBERAL and fiscally CONSERVATIVE.

[captain.crazy]

Libertarians are not conservative. Libertarians are socially LIBERAL and fiscally CONSERVATIVE.

Maybe I am wrong about that. I used to be liberal. Very liberal, but then I grew up. My understanding is that Libertarians are what real old school republicans are supposed to stand for. Ron Paul, a republican, would fit more into the libertarian party, but he will not leave his party, even though his party left him. I stand with Ron Paul.

[thegreekdog]

Libertarians are not conservative. Libertarians are socially LIBERAL and fiscally CONSERVATIVE.

Maybe I am wrong about that. I used to be liberal. Very liberal, but then I grew up. My understanding is that Libertarians are what real old school republicans are supposed to stand for. Ron Paul, a republican, would fit more into the libertarian party, but he will not leave his party, even though his party left him. I stand with Ron Paul.

Ron Paul has some very non-Libertarian planks. He's also a borderline fascist, and Libertarians are the antithesis of fascists.

[jiminski]

Libertarians are not conservative. Libertarians are socially LIBERAL and fiscally CONSERVATIVE.

Maybe I am wrong about that. I used to be liberal. Very liberal, but then I grew up. My understanding is that Libertarians are what real old school republicans are supposed to stand for. Ron Paul, a republican, would fit more into the libertarian party, but he will not leave his party, even though his party left him. I stand with Ron Paul.

Ron Paul has some very non-Libertarian planks. He's also a borderline fascist, and Libertarians are the antithesis of fascists.

heh would've been a crime not to have mention of 'Ron Paul' and 'Libertarian' in a Mustard Ban thread. ..
...and in the spirit of things; neither of you have a frigging clue what you are talking about, which is your only redeeming feature!

[TheProwler]

Every good Libertarian is an expert of the Dewey Decimal System.

[jiminski]

Every good Libertarian is an expert of the Dewey Decimal System.

I have a Dewey Seminal System if that helps!?

[thegreekdog]

...and in the spirit of things; neither of you have a frigging clue what you are talking about, which is your only redeeming feature!

Of course not. I'm only a registered Libertarian. Check yourself before you reck yourself fool!

And here, for the third time on CC, is the Libertarian website...

http://www.lp.org/

Here is a relevant (to this discussion) platform of the party:

3.4 Free Trade and Migration

We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a threat to security, health or property.