Logic dictates that there is a God!

[jay_a2j]

Open your eyes people!

There is a verse I forget where it is located or the exact words but it says some thing like this...

"For God has put into the heart of all men, the knoledge of God"


so that when we die we cannot say "Well I didn't know, noone told me you existed!"

And here.......you Have been told.

[vtmarik]

Open your eyes people!

There is a verse, I forget where it is located or the exact words, but it says some thing like this:

"For God has put into the heart of all men, the knowledge of God"


so that when we die we cannot say "Well I didn't know, no one told me you existed!"

And here.......you have been told. ((EDITOR'S NOTE: There, i fixed your spacing, spelling, and punctuation with neat, red text.))

Or is that just what Satan wants us to think? I mean, if the Devil can quote scripture to suit his needs, then the scripture may not be so holy. Holy water hurts the Devil, why not the Holy Word?

[jay_a2j]

vtmarik..... looks like you have made your choice.

[vtmarik]

vtmarik..... looks like you have made your choice.

Have I? Really?

Because I haven't yet taken mushrooms or peyote so I'm ill-equipped to make my choice.

AND YOU DIDN'T THANK ME FOR FIXING YOUR SPELLING YOU UNGREATFUL TURD!

[Romber]

Uhh are you catholic Marik? Cause fyi the Devil was an angel before. An angel not knowing the bible is like water not being wet. He can quote it, but its not being used against him. Hes using it for his pleasure, not yours

[vtmarik]

Uhh are you catholic Marik? Cause fyi the Devil was an angel before. An angel not knowing the bible is like water not being wet. He can quote it, but its not being used against him. Hes using it for his pleasure, not yours

No, i'm not Catholic. I'm Discordian-SubGenius with Druidic features. And it just strikes me as odd that someone who can be harmed by holy water won't be harmed by holy words.

[jay_a2j]

Uhh are you catholic Marik? Cause fyi the Devil was an angel before. An angel not knowing the bible is like water not being wet. He can quote it, but its not being used against him. Hes using it for his pleasure, not yours

No, i'm not Catholic. I'm Discordian-SubGenius with Druidic features. And it just strikes me as odd that someone who can be harmed by holy water won't be harmed by holy words.

lol wow. Satan is harmed by holy words...at the mere mention of Jesus name demons flee!

marik...just give up! Throw in the towel. Its over.

[vtmarik]

lol wow. Satan is harmed by holy words...at the mere mention of Jesus name demons flee!

marik...just give up! Throw in the towel. Its over.

Wow, you managed to miss the point and at the same time proclaim your victory. That's almost a trifecta of stupidity!

Since I am an ordained minister (weren't expecting that were ya?) I have slightly more authority on this subject than you. However, I will say this:

You can believe whatever you want. But don't claim that you have some kind of proof of God's existence when such a thing cannot be proven without destroying faith. If you've proven something, you don't need faith to believe. Without faith, God dies. And since you are such a fervent believer, you will never do anything to kill God.

In other words, YOU LOSE! GOOD DAY SIR!

[jay_a2j]

lol wow. Satan is harmed by holy words...at the mere mention of Jesus name demons flee!

marik...just give up! Throw in the towel. Its over.

Wow, you managed to miss the point and at the same time proclaim your victory. That's almost a trifecta of stupidity!

Since I am an ordained minister (weren't expecting that were ya?) I have slightly more authority on this subject than you. However, I will say this:

You can believe whatever you want. But don't claim that you have some kind of proof of God's existence when such a thing cannot be proven without destroying faith. If you've proven something, you don't need faith to believe. Without faith, God dies. And since you are such a fervent believer, you will never do anything to kill God.

In other words, YOU LOSE! GOOD DAY SIR!

marik claims ( and a chuckle is heard in the background): Since I am an ordained minister (weren't expecting that were ya?) I have slightly more authority on this subject than you



ORDAINED MINISTER?????????????????? Of what religion?????? Do you think I or anyone who has a shred of Biblical knowledge would believe for a second that you are an ordained minister???

(Roaring laughter)


I have Jesus and you can't top that authority buddy! But since you claim to be an OM lets put you to the test.....


1. Who wrote the first 5 books of the Bible?

2. Who wrote Revelation?

3. When Jesus said, " Tear down this temple and I will raise it again in 3 days" what was he refering to?

4. What did the Jews do in the Old Testament to receive forgiveness of sin?

5. Why did Jesus bring and end to question #4?

6. What must a man do to inherit eternal life?



I'll be waiting......... patiently

[Semanticprison]

1. Who wrote the first 5 books of the Bible?
Well, large parts were lifted from the prebiblical Epic of Gilgamesh, but contemporary scholars assert that Genesis was assembled over a 4 century interval, circa 950 to 540 BCE by authors from a variety of traditions - with the top four being referred to commonly as J, E, D, and P (they were anonymous) and a redaction being done by another anonymous author dubbed "R". Of course, fundamentalists who believe that dinosaurs are a myth and the horse sized scorpions are coming to kill us non believers after the Rapture assert that the books are written by Moses and God.


2. Who wrote Revelation?
Well, it says it was written by a John, but apparently there is some disagreement whether it was John the Apostle, John the Evangelist, or John of Patmos

3. When Jesus said, " Tear down this temple and I will raise it again in 3 days" what was he refering to?
The Temple he was pointing at. Jesus was real big on practical jokes, and he could talk his followers into anything.


4. What did the Jews do in the Old Testament to receive forgiveness of sin?
Plotted to take over Hollywood and make sin fashionable via influencing American society into admiring Paris Hilton and Brittney Spears.

5. Why did Jesus bring and end to question #4?
Because Paris and Brittney are white trash, worthless sacks of flesh.

6. What must a man do to inherit eternal life?
Stop the Second Law of Thermodynamics, possibly with the help of Bill and Ted, who havent had an excellent adventure in awhile and would surely be game for an attempt.

[jay_a2j]

2 out of 6..... now lets see if marik can do better.


by the way the dinos are no myth.

[Romber]

marik, being an ordained minister means you preach the word. Doesn't mean you have more authority over the bible (i guess, or whatever you use) [/i]

[philbert]

And it just strikes me as odd that someone who can be harmed by holy water won't be harmed by holy words.

I think you've been watching too many movies. Holy water isn't holy. It's just water.

[philbert]

AND YOU DIDN'T THANK ME FOR FIXING YOUR SPELLING YOU UNGRATEFUL TURD!

LOL

[jay_a2j]

I think we may have seen the last of vtmarik... after making such a claim I don't blame him. He lost all credibility. Unless......... Semanticprison
is vtmarik! In which case he obviously is not an ordained minister.

[vtmarik]

I think we may have seen the last of vtmarik... after making such a claim I don't blame him. He lost all credibility. Unless......... Semanticprison
is vtmarik! In which case he obviously is not an ordained minister.

Do you think i'd make that claim falsely? I am an ordained minister in the Universal Life Church (http://www.ulc.org)

EDIT: I SAID GOOD DAY!

[jay_a2j]

I think we may have seen the last of vtmarik... after making such a claim I don't blame him. He lost all credibility. Unless......... Semanticprison
is vtmarik! In which case he obviously is not an ordained minister.

Do you think i'd make that claim falsely? I am an ordained minister in the Universal Life Church (http://www.ulc.org)

Never heard of it...anything like the Unitarian Church? Do they teach the Bible? Cause ya never answered the questions. hmmmm

[vtmarik]

Oh right questions, i'm sorry. I was trying to ignore you but I see that I cannot.

1. Who wrote the first 5 books of the Bible?

Are you talking about the inspiration or the actual human author? Because technically God was the author, but the guy who actually put pen to paper was Moses.

2. Who wrote Revelation?

Well, technically it's the book of Revelations but that's just a typo.

The author is John according to the book itself. However, there is some dispute as to which John wrote it:
http://www.abu.nb.ca/Courses/NTIntro/Rev.htm

3. When Jesus said, " Tear down this temple and I will raise it again in 3 days" what was he refering to?

Ok, so you're asking my opinion of this, right? Well, according to the Bible he was most likely referring to himself and his death and resurrection. However, at the same time, he may have been referring to the actual temple that he was standing in. We'll never know because that temple wasn't torn down and rebuilt in 3 days. So we must rely on the logical process of post hoc ergo propter hoc which means 'After, therefore, because of it." In this case, Jesus said "tear down this temple and I will raise it again in three days" and then he was crucified and resurrected, therefore that was what he was talking about.

The only way to know for certain what he meant would be to ask him directly.

4. What did the Jews do in the Old Testament to receive forgiveness of sin?

Honestly, i'm not sure. I'm reading through the Old Testament and I can't get a clear answer. From what I can extrapolate they had to pray to God to forgive them directly.

5. Why did Jesus bring and end to question #4?

Because he died on the Cross as a way of bringing atonement for the sins of the Jews and of Man in general.

6. What must a man do to inherit eternal life?

Ugh, here comes the old answer that everyone knows. One must accept Christ's sacrifice for us on the cross and accept him into our hearts and live without sin as Jesus would live, and blah blah blah.

I got one question for you buddy

If we love Jesus so much, and accept Him, and et cetera; why do you wear crosses around your neck and around your church rather than just have a picture of Jesus. Isn't He the symbol and not the cross?

[Romber]

So marik, do you believe there is a God?

[vtmarik]

So marik, do you believe there is a God?

It would be stupid to claim that there isn't a God or Gods or Goddesses given the extremely limited amount information that science has unlocked.

So yes, I believe that it is entirely possible that a God, or multiple Gods, do exist. I choose not to believe in any specific Pantheon or single God because that's far too limiting. And that wouldn't be fair to any other potential God(s) in the realm of Time and Space.

Spiritual Equality! I support it!

[jay_a2j]

Oh right questions, i'm sorry. I was trying to ignore you but I see that I cannot.

1. Who wrote the first 5 books of the Bible?

Are you talking about the inspiration or the actual human author? Because technically God was the author, but the guy who actually put pen to paper was Moses.

2. Who wrote Revelation?

Well, technically it's the book of Revelations but that's just a typo.

The author is John according to the book itself. However, there is some dispute as to which John wrote it:
http://www.abu.nb.ca/Courses/NTIntro/Rev.htm

3. When Jesus said, " Tear down this temple and I will raise it again in 3 days" what was he refering to?

Ok, so you're asking my opinion of this, right? Well, according to the Bible he was most likely referring to himself and his death and resurrection. However, at the same time, he may have been referring to the actual temple that he was standing in. We'll never know because that temple wasn't torn down and rebuilt in 3 days. So we must rely on the logical process of post hoc ergo propter hoc which means 'After, therefore, because of it." In this case, Jesus said "tear down this temple and I will raise it again in three days" and then he was crucified and resurrected, therefore that was what he was talking about.

The only way to know for certain what he meant would be to ask him directly.

4. What did the Jews do in the Old Testament to receive forgiveness of sin?

Honestly, i'm not sure. I'm reading through the Old Testament and I can't get a clear answer. From what I can extrapolate they had to pray to God to forgive them directly.

5. Why did Jesus bring and end to question #4?

Because he died on the Cross as a way of bringing atonement for the sins of the Jews and of Man in general.

6. What must a man do to inherit eternal life?

Ugh, here comes the old answer that everyone knows. One must accept Christ's sacrifice for us on the cross and accept him into our hearts and live without sin as Jesus would live, and blah blah blah.

I got one question for you buddy

If we love Jesus so much, and accept Him, and et cetera; why do you wear crosses around your neck and around your church rather than just have a picture of Jesus. Isn't He the symbol and not the cross?

You are no OM. You wrote " Well, technically it's the book of Revelations but that's just a typo." Grab a Bible will ya? Its Revelation. No "S". Typical error if one is not fimiliar with the Bible.

Question 4 What did the Jews do in the OT to receive forgiveness of sin? They sacrificed unblemished lamb or sheep. This would be common sense to the Ordainded minister.

Question 5... to be more specific.... "There can be no forgiveness of sin without the shedding of blood" Thus Jesus was the final sacrifice for man to receive forgiveness of sin.

Question 6 What must a man do to inherit eternal life?
You wrote, "One must accept Christ's sacrifice for us on the cross and accept him into our hearts and live without sin as Jesus would live, and blah blah blah." We can not "live without sin"...for we are mere men. We can do our best not to sin and when we do repent of it.........and the good part! ..... "and blah, blah, blah" <<< this it truly the mark of an ordained minister.


As for your question...the cross simply is a reminder to us of what Jesus did for us...and that we must "pick up our own cross". As for a picture of Jesus? Do you know what he looks like? No one living does...we have some "accepted" pitures of Jesus but no one really knows. Some pictures have Jesus with Blue eyes...but he was Hebrew and most likely would have brown eyes and olive color skin". Some pics long hair some with short hair.

[vtmarik]

See the amazing Jay_a2j! See him miss the point in every single post! Step right up folks! See his amazingly narrow views on what constitutes qualification as a Minister.

*shrugs* When my credentials arrive, i'll post pictures.

[jay_a2j]

See the amazing Jay_a2j! See him miss the point in every single post! Step right up folks! See his amazingly narrow views on what constitutes qualification as a Minister.

*shrugs* When my credentials arrive, i'll post pictures.

THIS could be a long wait! (passes out Snickers)


*** and I've missed nothing. I called your bluff. You don't have a point outside of making up stuff to look "cool" . You look like a fool. I'd advise ..when you find yourself in a hole... STOP DIGGING!

[vtmarik]

THIS could be a long wait! (passes out Snickers)


*** and I've missed nothing. I called your bluff. You don't have a point outside of making up stuff to look "cool" . You look like a fool. I'd advise ..when you find yourself in a hole... STOP DIGGING!

Why would I lie about something that can be researched and fact checked? That's like saying that I'm a multimillionare, rock star, actor.

Are you accusing me of bearing false witness? Need I remind you of casting stones and judging? Is your house made of glass?

[jay_a2j]

THIS could be a long wait! (passes out Snickers)


*** and I've missed nothing. I called your bluff. You don't have a point outside of making up stuff to look "cool" . You look like a fool. I'd advise ..when you find yourself in a hole... STOP DIGGING!

Why would I lie about something that can be researched and fact checked? That's like saying that I'm a multimillionare, rock star, actor.

Are you accusing me of bearing false witness? Need I remind you of casting stones and judging? Is your house made of glass?

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It can't be "fact checked"! No one on here knows who you really are! Give me you real name , address and social security number and I'll "fact check"! I can't take much more of this ignorance!


I am not accusing you of anything...you have given testimony to your lie!
If I said I was an auto mechanic but did not know what an engine was...YOU COULD DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSION!