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Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
Army of GOD wrote:I joined this game because it's so similar to Call of Duty.
warmonger1981 wrote:Creeperweiner if you ever get attacked I want you to take the beating until the cops show. And I have a God given right to hunt for my food not to be a servent of some corporation so that they pay me then I go to the store. If I can eat for free I will. Its called being self sufficient . People can feed themselves with guns and protect themselves with guns.
warmonger1981 wrote:You do know that almost all law abiding citizens almost never do these things. Its the people who are NOT law abiding that usually commit murder. So what happens when all guns are confiscated from law abiding citizens and the criminals who don't care about the laws make their own guns? Yes you can make a single shot for about 50 bucks. I call cops it takes 5 -10 minutes to save me. Looks like I'm already dead. If I had a gun I shoot intruder call cops and make a pot of coffee and wait. Guess what? IM STILL ALIVE!!!
Army of GOD wrote:I joined this game because it's so similar to Call of Duty.
Morgan Freeman wrote:"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.
It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed
people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.
CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.
You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."
warmonger1981 wrote:Gun control has done nothing.we need to start getting strict on criminals who break the law. We can check our guns out of a locker like the library but the criminal who doesn't pay attention to the law doesn't give a shit about gun control if anything they will welcome it as they know there are no guns in your house and they have one.
Army of GOD wrote:I joined this game because it's so similar to Call of Duty.
Phatscotty wrote:Woodruff wrote:Phatscotty wrote:crispybits wrote:Come on PS, common sense?
A reclusive, painfully shy kid with Aspergers and Autism, no friends that anyone knew of, and who spent most of his time at home with his mother.
Would he have had any access to guns if there were no gun shops and his mother did not own any? Would he have had black market connections?
(I also agree with Woodruff on the healthcare angle, but he's doing fine arguing that by himself.)
I understand what you are saying. I'm asking you to understand that is highly unrealistic, and doesn't make sense to punish 99.99% of the population based on what .01% does.
You mean like drug-testing welfare recipients? Huh...your hypocricy is showing again.yeah, because .01% totally reflects the number of people who spend emergency government assistance money on drugs...
not even close
At least be a good troll
crispybits wrote:Saying I'm a Brit doesn't defeat my argument.
Also, that news story you posted - someone with a legal gun and ready to fire it if needed had absolutely no impact on the scale of a shooting, and if he had been more of a risk taker and shot and missed his target may have killed someone who wasn't a target of the shooter. Yep that's a strong case for more people carrying guns right there!
Phatscotty wrote:That seems highly unlikely. You really like to argue the exceptions don't ya?
Phatscotty wrote:I don't see what your point about other people possibly being shot by a stray bullet has to do with anything, other than to show the responsibility and awareness of the permitted gun holder?
Phatscotty wrote:This was a high stress, high adrenaline situation. The guy acted perfectly. For the world of me I don't how you are trying to use a situation where the permitted gun holder acted responsibly, to make an argument about how gun owners might act irresponsibly. All the evidence, and I mean all of it, is contrary to your "what if's"
HapSmo19 wrote:Woodruff wrote:HapSmo19 wrote:Woodruff wrote:Ok, I'm back but only for this one topic. I knew there would probably be some really good conversation here about it, and I frankly didn't want to miss that.
First of all, gun banning is just a silly and useless idea. It goes against our Constitution and I don't believe it would stop these sorts of incidents anyway.
I do believe it is reasonable to have a discussion on gun control. In fact, I don't think you can legitimately discuss this issue WITHOUT having a discussion about gun control as well.
The idea of putting more guns into the schools is the sort of insanity I could only expect from a hero-wannabe like Phatscotty. That is an idiotic idea, truly. And I'm trained in handling weapons, remember.
The discussion that NEEDS to happen, and sadly ISN'T happening, is the discussion regarding how mental disorders are viewed in this nation. I have no idea how it is in other countries, as I have never dealt with it even while living overseas. But here in the United States, mental disorders are viewed in such a way that there is a very serious stigma associated with them. It's very counterproductive when someone can potentially lose their job for seeking help on their own from a mental health professional (and yes, this is in fact a quite common situation). It's ludicrous. THIS discussion is the one that absolutely CAN make a difference in preventing these sorts of events. Here are some important links I gleaned from another website:
http://placer.networkofcare.org/mh/library/article.aspx?id=333
http://placer.networkofcare.org/mh/library/article.aspx?id=336
http://placer.networkofcare.org/mh/library/article.aspx?id=337
It is crazy to me that it's perfectly ok for someone with back problems to go in to a doctor and ask for (for instance) Codeine or SOMA or Flexeril yet if you are seriously depressed and have thoughts of suicide, the last thing you want to do is go in to a psychiatrist and ask for a prescription for anti-depressants. Asking for help of this nature is routinely viewed as a bad thing. That's fucked up.
Just go get the help you need, dude. Losing your job is a small price to pay when it comes to the safety of the rest of us. God speed.
Yeah, I didn't think you actually gave a f*ck about those children either.
Interesting. When did you start caring about them cuz, if I remember correctly, you would be all for drilling holes in their heads and scrambling their brains if they were a few years younger?
warmonger1981 wrote:Sorry to say but the day we give up our guns is the day we become servants of the state. We have the right to own guns to protect ourselves from the government.
warmonger1981 wrote:If America wasn't such a Pussey and started to actually give out REAL HARSH sentences then MORE, NOT ALL, people might think twice before doing such things.
Phatscotty wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:I joined this game because it's so similar to Call of Duty.
Juan_Bottom wrote:Morgan Freeman wrote:"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.
It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed
people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.
CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.
You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."
warmonger1981 wrote:Gun control has done nothing.we need to start getting strict on criminals who break the law.
CreepersWiener wrote:Phatscotty wrote:
Ron Paul in disguise...
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