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[PLAYER57832]

Here, my full answer:

LOL
Denmark happens to be among the freest thinking countries on Earth, sir. AND it is one of the most socialized, PLUS noted as one with the happiest population according to a recent survey.

Each family of 4 also owes a $500,000 share of government debt (see: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=129547).

7. Denmark - $110,216

So, either you think $500K equals $107K OR you lied.
That's without even getting into whether those figures are valid or significant.

In a matter of time the ceiling is going to come crashing down and their so-called wonderful lifestyle will be 1 doctor for every 1,000 people, ether for anesthesia, food rations, etc.

Been to the US lately? Things are not so great, even around where you live. And, that area is one of the better off areas in the country by many measures.

A nation either needs to be Marxist-Leninist or Capitalist. There is no middle ground that is workable; social-democracy is a fiction. (I choose Marxism-Leninism, but I at least respect capitalists for not being dolts living in the land of unicorns and fairy dust that democratic-socialists occupy).

Except that every nation on earth IS a mix, and every successful nation on earth has been a mixture, while it was successful. The demise came when the wealth and power migrated up with no regard to those lower down in the spectrum. More wealth to the wealthy comes with corruption, comes with ignoring infrastructre and overall weakening. Loss of intelect, loss of services and loss of real and tangible "structure"... be they military, roads, etc.

Nay, the problem is not with the mixes, it is when folks try to latch onto the extremes. We escaped that fate at the turn of the century, just barely, but also got 2 World Wars and the Great Depression. We were "saved" by extreme advances in technology. Such technologal fixes are further off now, because education is quickly being neglected.

PLUS noted as one with the happiest population according to a recent survey.

This is a straight-up lie. They're #105 out of 143. (http://www.happyplanetindex.org/public- ... ex-2-0.pdf) According to the survey you lied about, the Danish are among the most utterly miserable people on the planet, with a sky-high suicide rate. They're less happy than Ghana.

LOL Nice article, but apparently you thought I wouldn't bother reading the article?

1. That is a happy planet index, not a happy people index. It compares happiness to overall Global footprint using various factors. Its definitely not tehh study to which I referred and, since that is pretty obvious, I guess I am not the one lying here.

2. Yes, Denmark does rate below Ghana. Ghana is 100, DK is 105. However, look a bit lower and you find good ol' US of A at 114! Contrast that with the countries mentioned above -- Norway 88, Germany 51, Netherlands (Snorri's home, of course) 43. Interestingly, though, they place China at 20. That rather makes me question the validity of the entire thing, but I will have to spend more time on the article and digging into the references. Almost makes me think you posted this precisely because it supports what I am saying..but, of course, you would never do that!

Now, for the REAL study that I cited, here is part of a 60 minutes story:

Happiness is that quirky, elusive emotion that the Declaration of Independence maintains we have every right to pursue. And we do pursue it: we are suckers for an endless stream of self-help books that promise a carefree existence for a mere $24.95; and television hucksters of every kind claim they have the key to Nirvana. So the happiness business, at least, is one big smiley face.

As for the rest of us, as correspondent Morley Safer first reported last winter, the main scientific survey of international happiness carried out by Leicester University in England ranks the U.S. a distant 23rd, well behind Canada and Costa Rica. But you'll be pleased to know we beat Iraq and Pakistan.

And the winner, once again, is Denmark.

Now, as you did say, you can absolutely argue whether that measures the correct information, etc. However, to claim I "lied".. is, as you have to have known a lie itself.

Seriously, you either need to start providing a source for every single word you use, including "and" and "the", or just stop writing. Every single un-sourced comment out of your mouth is demonstrably false anytime someone takes 2 seconds to look into it. Unfortunately I seem to be the only one carrying that cross.

LOL... and yet, it seems you could not bother to even read the references you cited.

[jay_a2j]

Seriously, my family hails from Norway.... Why can't we just be more like them? What is so poisonous about that?
They have socialized health care, and the average wage is like $28 American. My cousin Einer works about 35 hours a week, and gets five weeks of vacation a year on top of all that. There are very few uber-rich people there, and even fewer poor.
Part of their good lifestyle is because their state owned oil company shares profits with the people, but on that matter, America has oil too. And coal, and copper, and gold, ect ect.

It would be the same question to "why can't they be just like us?" Because we want to be who we already are, and remain free in thought and choice and principle

LOL
Denmark happens to be among the freest thinking countries on Earth, sir. AND it is one of the most socialized, PLUS noted as one with the happiest population according to a recent survey.

Socialized ANYTHING....where is the FREE CHOICE? Try again.

[Timminz]

Socialized ANYTHING....where is the FREE CHOICE? Try again.

Could you rephrase that in the form of something coherent.

[PLAYER57832]

Socialized ANYTHING....where is the FREE CHOICE? Try again.

Here, just for you and Phattscotty:
Full story: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =123126942
Here are 2 quick excerpts. I added the blue to emphasis one pertinent part you deny.

Denmark has the highest income taxes in the world, but it also enjoys low unemployment and steady economic growth. Economists debate whether Denmark is a model economy, or just a lucky one.

Denmark has an interesting kind of hybrid economy. It has this huge welfare state, but it has also fiercely embraced a lot of free market ideas. The unemployment benefits are generous, but it's also very easy to fire people. That makes the economy nimble. Employers can get rid of workers when they dont need them and hire them back quickly when they do. Petersen says losing your job here is just not that big a deal.

Now, all countries face choices like this: How do you want to set up your economy? Those decisions shape how you live and your psychology. In Denmark, for instance, there aren't severe class distinctions because the poor get helped, the rich get taxed, so everyone gets squashed into a big, fat middle class.

One economist told me: Look, we dont have any geniuses and we dont have the best pro athletes - they leave because of the high taxes - but overall we're doing well.

NOTE, I am not saying the US should be like Denmark. One reason it works there is they have a different culture, different values. The point is that your claims about how socialism means no freedom, etc are just plain wrong... and that is NOT just "my opinion".

[PLAYER57832]

Seriously, you either need to start providing a source for every single word you use, including "and" and "the", or just stop writing. Every single un-sourced comment out of your mouth is demonstrably false anytime someone takes 2 seconds to look into it. Unfortunately I seem to be the only one carrying that cross.

I'm sorry for saying "lie" but your modus operandi is to clutter up and junk-up threads with so much made-up and patently false information you just pull out of the air that it has the effect of derailing every single conversation in which you participate. This isn't simply a question of differences of opinion or different interpretations of data, or arguments of the validity of studies. Those are all fair game. You, however, simply make up whatever it takes to support your position and a lot of people are pretty f**king sick of it.

(You also need to work on your spelling and grammar.)

You're not the only one who notices it. It's just that she's such an ideological zealot that it's useless to try to have a meaningful conversation with her. She thinks that anyone who doesn't crown her as some type of authoritative source must be totally immersed in Fox News or listening to Rush Limbaugh. They have their ears plugged and won't listen to reason, while she happens to know what the REAL issue is. Perhaps if she writes a 15 paragraph post with ALL CAPS in some parts even she'll believe it. Whatever NPR is paying her, it isn't enough.

LOL
And yet, I was not the one lying or presenting inaccurate information.

This blindly trusting folks who think alike, not bothering to verify information is THE biggest reason the Right wing is gaining ground in the US and the left is being continuously silenced to the point that even conservative views are now labeled "liberal".

[saxitoxin]

(A) Player, you said "PLUS noted as one with the happiest population according to a recent survey." Again, as usual I can barely understand your English, however, I did understand the word "recent." The Happy Planet Index came out last month. The 60 Minutes piece you dug up post-facto to cover your arse came out in early 2008.

The "recent survey" is the Happy Planet Index.

(B) Again, here's your M.O.:

(1) Player hears some soundbyte or scrap of information floating out there in the ether
(2) Player inaccurately paraphrases what she heard as "common sense" that doesn't need a citation; misspells every-other-word in her paraphrase
(3) Saxi posts a link to the original information
(4) Player loudly tells everyone her kids have diarrhea and she don't have time to reply
(6) Player furiously searches for some unrelated piece of data, posts it and says that's what she meant all along - that, in fact, she was talking about an entirely different topic
(7) Player loudly screams that everyone are "idiots", "indoctrinated" or "indoctrinated idiots"

I don't know if you realize or not, but - over the vast canon of your posts - you''ve really come across as a complete loon.

[saxitoxin]

Hey at least it sent me a Christmas card, though. I guess there are no hard feelings.

[PLAYER57832]

.....

LOL Not even a good trolling attempt, just more proof that you seem to find what I say threatening.

[saxitoxin]

(A) Player, you said "PLUS noted as one with the happiest population according to a recent survey." Again, as usual I can barely understand your English, however, I did understand the word "recent." The Happy Planet Index came out last month. The 60 Minutes piece you dug up post-facto to cover your arse came out in early 2008.

The "recent survey" is the Happy Planet Index.

Your study actually doesn't refer to the happiness of the people at all. It is, rather an ratio of environmental "friendliness" as those writers define it. And, "recent" is a subjective term. Nothing wrong with saying a 2008 study is recent. It is.

You don't give up, do you?

It says, in the executive summary, it's a measure of aggregate, individual well-being and happiness. When one says "recent study" there is a colloquial implication of being "most recent." If there is a "more recent" study then the application of the word "recent" to an older study is intellectually dull.

My head is going to explode talking to you. (Or, not talking, as happens when new fantasies can't be imagined. See: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=130624#p2862512).

Yet more proof that saxi seems to find what I say threatening.

Yes, I do find you threatening. You're threatening logic and social normalcy.

It's not expected the posters on a message board are going to be the Yale Forensics Club redux, however, it's still off-putting to be subjected to the din of this lunatic noise machine:

Player: Idiot!
Player: Indoctrinated!
Player: Indoctrinated idiot!
Other Poster: stop calling people idiot
Player: OH! So you can't respond with facts, huh? Are you threatened? I guess I win!!! LOL!

edit: removed impolite things

[BigBallinStalin]

WHOA HO HO, GUYS! rar!

How bout we all sit back and take a little breather, m'kay?


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Seriously, my family hails from Norway.... Why can't we just be more like them? What is so poisonous about that?
They have socialized health care, and the average wage is like $28 American. My cousin Einer works about 35 hours a week, and gets five weeks of vacation a year on top of all that. There are very few uber-rich people there, and even fewer poor.
Part of their good lifestyle is because their state owned oil company shares profits with the people, but on that matter, America has oil too. And coal, and copper, and gold, ect ect.

That sounds good, but it's not just the state forcing the oil company to split profits with the people. I assume that Norway has higher taxes than the US, which will discourage many companies for holding operations there. It's just not as profitable.

If the US were to follow Norway's model, we'd most likely experience a huge loss in businesses, foreign direct investment, and all sorts of goodies. People's incentives to leave the US would also increase, so we might experience a brain-drain, but I may be stretching it on that one. It just depends on how high Norway's taxes are and how high the costs to doing buisness there are.

Oh, also, it feels easier to give money to a mainly homogeneous group of citizens like in Norway. However, when a large majority of a certain minority receives their welfare at the expense of another ethnic group, people tend to get pissy. So, racism and prejudice in the US most likely has something to do with negative feelings towards providing as much welfare as Norway does.

[Falkomagno]

Seriously, my family hails from Norway.... Why can't we just be more like them? What is so poisonous about that?
They have socialized health care, and the average wage is like $28 American. My cousin Einer works about 35 hours a week, and gets five weeks of vacation a year on top of all that. There are very few uber-rich people there, and even fewer poor.
Part of their good lifestyle is because their state owned oil company shares profits with the people, but on that matter, America has oil too. And coal, and copper, and gold, ect ect.

It would be the same question to "why can't they be just like us?" Because we want to be who we already are, and remain free in thought and choice and principle

What a moronic argument.

"Why can't they be just like us?" Well, because you are doing it WRONG and they are doing it RIGHT!

And taking the best choice is not giving up the freedom of choice, that argument is even most moronic. For example, u refused using music in mp3 because is a German invention?

Implying that you are not "free" just because you choose foreign ideas or systems is wrong and retarded. Definitely, your ideas suck. That ignorant "nationalism" it's only dangerous, blind and lame

[Falkomagno]

LOL
Denmark happens to be among the freest thinking countries on Earth, sir. AND it is one of the most socialized, PLUS noted as one with the happiest population according to a recent survey.

Each family of 4 also owes a $500,000 share of government debt (see: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=129547). In a matter of time the ceiling is going to come crashing down and their so-called wonderful lifestyle will be 1 doctor for every 1,000 people, ether for anesthesia, food rations, etc.

Yeah of course, manipulating statistics it’s simple, and gives the false impression to be wise and right. So, if I ate two hamburgers, and you don’t eat anything, in AVERAGE each one ate one. But the true is that I ate two and you zero. So, go to trick people with stupid averages somewhere else

A nation either needs to be Marxist-Leninist or Capitalist. There is no middle ground that is workable; social-democracy is a fiction. (I choose Marxism-Leninism, but I at least respect capitalists for not being dolts living in the land of unicorns and fairy dust that democratic-socialists occupy).

I prefer mine better:

"freedom without socialism is privilege and injustice; socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality"

Actually, I think that you are just trolling, in a not amusing way here

PLUS noted as one with the happiest population according to a recent survey.

This is a straight-up lie. They're #105 out of 143. (http://www.happyplanetindex.org/public- ... ex-2-0.pdf) According to the survey you lied about, the Danish are among the most utterly miserable people on the planet, with a sky-high suicide rate. They're less happy than Ghana.

Wow...now, Denmark is at level of Ghana and the people suicide at a "sky-high suicide rate". Hahahaha. Now you are bordering the stupidity there. Let’s check the list of suicide rates...


Suicides per 100,000 people per year[2]
Position Country Male Female Total pop. Year
1 Belarus 63.3 10.3 35.1 2003
2 South Korea[3] See: Suicide in South Korea N/A N/A 31.0 2009
3 Lithuania[4] 55.9 9.1 30.7 2008
4 Kazakhstan 46.2 9.0 26.9 2007
5 Japan See: Suicide in Japan 35.8 13.7 24.4 2007
6 Russia 37.2 9.0 23.1 2010
7 Guyana 33.8 11.6 22.9 2005
8 Ukraine 40.9 7.0 22.6 2005
9 Sri Lanka[5] N/A N/A 21.6 1996
10 Hungary[4] 37.1 8.6 21.5 2008
11 Latvia 34.1 7.7 19.9 2007
12 Slovenia[6] 32.1 7.9 19.8 2008
13 Serbia and Montenegro 28.4 11.1 19.5 2006
14 Finland 28.9 9.0 18.8 2007
15 Belgium 27.2 9.5 18.2 1999
16 Croatia 26.9 9.7 18.0 2006
17 Switzerland 23.5 11.7 17.5 2006
18 France 25.5 9.0 17.0 2006
19 Uruguay 26.0 6.3 15.8 2004
20 Moldova 28.0 4.3 15.7 2007
21 Austria 23.8 7.4 15.4 2007
22 South Africa[7] 25.3 5.6 15.4 2005
23 Hong Kong 19.3 11.5 15.2 2006
24 Poland 26.8 4.4 15.2 2006
25 Suriname 23.9 4.8 14.4 2005
26 Estonia[4] 29.1 6.2 16.5 2008
27 New Zealand[8] 20.3 6.5 13.2 2008
28 Sweden 18.1 8.3 13.2 2006
29 Seychelles[9] N/A N/A 13.2 1998
30 Slovakia 22.3 3.4 12.6 2005
31 Cuba 19.6 4.9 12.3 2006
32 Trinidad and Tobago 20.4 4.0 12.0 2002
33 Czech Republic[4] 20.2 4.2 11.8 2008
34 Bosnia and Herzegovina 20.3 3.3 11.8 1991
35 Canada[10] 17.9 5.4 11.6 2005
36 Portugal 17.9 5.5 11.5 2004
37 Norway 16.8 6.0 11.4 2006
38 Romania 18.9 4.0 11.3 2007
39 Iceland[11] 17.9 4.5 11.3 2009
40 United States See: Suicide in the United States 17.7 4.5 11.1 2005
41 Luxembourg 17.7 4.3 11.0 2005
42 Denmark[4] 16.0 5.7 10.6 2006
43 India 12.2 9.1 10.6 1998
44 Australia 16.7 4.4 10.5 2004
45 Mauritius 16.0 4.8 10.4 2007
46 Singapore 12.9 7.7 10.3 2006
47 Chile 17.4 3.4 10.3 2005
48 Bulgaria[4] 15.3 4.7 9.5 2007
49 Germany[4] 14.9 4.4 9.4 2007
50 Ireland[4] 14.5 4.2 9.3 2008
51 Kyrgyzstan 14.4 3.7 9.0 2006
52 Turkmenistan 13.8 3.5 8.6 1998
53 Netherlands 11.6 5.0 8.3 2007
54 Costa Rica 13.2 2.5 8.0 2006
55 Argentina 12.7 3.4 7.9 2005
56 Zimbabwe 10.6 5.2 7.9 1990
57 Thailand 12.0 3.8 7.8 2002
58 Saint Lucia 10.4 5.0 7.7 2002
59 Belize 13.4 1.6 7.6 2001
60 Puerto Rico 13.2 2.0 7.4 2005
61 Nicaragua 11.1 3.3 7.2 2005
62 Ecuador 9.1 4.5 6.8 2006
63 El Salvador 10.2 3.7 6.8 2006
64 Republic of Macedonia 9.5 4.0 6.8 2003
65 People's Republic of China [12] 19.7 8 6.6 2008
66 United Kingdom[note 1][13] 17.7 5.4 9.2 2008
67 Malta 12.3 0.5 6.4 2007
68 Spain[4] 9.6 3.0 6.1 2007
69 Israel[14] 9.9 2.1 5.8 2007
70 Grenada 9.8 1.9 5.9 2005
71 Panama 10.4 0.8 5.7 2006
72 Italy[4] 8.4 2.3 5.2 2007
73 Colombia 7.8 2.1 4.9 2005
74 Uzbekistan 7.0 2.3 4.7 2005
75 Brazil 7.3 1.9 4.6 2005
76 Cyprus[4] 7.0 1.7 4.3 2008
77 Paraguay 5.5 2.7 4.1 2004
78 Albania[15] 4.7 3.3 4.0 2008
79 Mexico 6.8 1.3 4.0 2008
80 Turkey[16] 5.36 2.50 3.94 2008
81 Venezuela 6.1 1.4 3.8 2005
82 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 7.3 0.0 3.7 2004
83 Bahrain 4.9 0.5 3.1 1988
84 Greece[4] 4.8 1.0 2.8 2008
85 Tajikistan 2.9 2.3 2.6 2001
86 Armenia 3.9 1.0 2.4 2006
87 Guatemala 3.6 1.1 2.3 2006
88 Georgia 3.4 1.1 2.2 2001
89 Philippines 2.5 1.7 2.1 1993
90 Kuwait 2.5 1.4 2.0 2002
91 Dominican Republic 2.6 0.6 1.6 2004
92 The Bahamas 1.9 0.0 1.0 2002
93 Peru 1.1 0.6 0.9 2000
94 São Tomé and Príncipe 0.0 1.8 0.9 1987
95 Barbados 1.4 0.0 0.7 2001
96 Azerbaijan 1.0 0.3 0.6 2007
97 Maldives 0.7 0.0 0.3 2005
98 Iran 0.3 0.1 0.2 1991
99 Jamaica 0.3 0.0 0.1 1990
100 Syria 0.2 0.0 0.1 1985
101 Egypt 0.1 0.0 0.0 1987
102 Honduras 0.0 0.0 0.0 1978
103 Jordan 0.0 0.0 0.0 1979
104 Saint Kitts and Nevis 0.0 0.0 0.0 1995
105 Antigua and Barbuda 0.0 0.0 0.0 1995
106 Haiti 0.0 0.0 0.0 2003


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^ a b c d e f g h i j k l "Death Due To Suicide". Eurostat. European Commission. 2009. Retrieved 2010-01-10.
^ Only the combined rate for both genders is available for 1996. Full statistics for both genders were last available for 1991 when the rate was men: 44.6, women: 16.8
^ "Death Due To Suicide". IVZ/STAT. Stat.si. 2009. Retrieved 2010-01-28.
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LOL.

Having a population 55 times greater and still having a higher suicide level tells that in usa the people is way to more depressive, unhappy and stressed than in Denmark.



Go rest saxi, and try to re-evaluate your new right wing bigot yourself. And live PLAYER alone, she is always respectful and coherent, and by all means fair on her appreciations

[PLAYER57832]

WHOA HO HO, GUYS! rar!

How bout we all sit back and take a little breather, m'kay?


________________________________________________________________

Seriously, my family hails from Norway.... Why can't we just be more like them? What is so poisonous about that?
They have socialized health care, and the average wage is like $28 American. My cousin Einer works about 35 hours a week, and gets five weeks of vacation a year on top of all that. There are very few uber-rich people there, and even fewer poor.
Part of their good lifestyle is because their state owned oil company shares profits with the people, but on that matter, America has oil too. And coal, and copper, and gold, ect ect.

That sounds good, but it's not just the state forcing the oil company to split profits with the people. I assume that Norway has higher taxes than the US, which will discourage many companies for holding operations there. It's just not as profitable.

If the US were to follow Norway's model, we'd most likely experience a huge loss in businesses, foreign direct investment, and all sorts of goodies. People's incentives to leave the US would also increase, so we might experience a brain-drain, but I may be stretching it on that one. It just depends on how high Norway's taxes are and how high the costs to doing buisness there are.

Oh, also, it feels easier to give money to a mainly homogeneous group of citizens like in Norway. However, when a large majority of a certain minority receives their welfare at the expense of another ethnic group, people tend to get pissy. So, racism and prejudice in the US most likely has something to do with negative feelings towards providing as much welfare as Norway does.

You raise valid points. Denmark, at least is experiencing a "brain drain", loss of some business, etc. To contrast, the US is experiencing a decrease in the education level of its citizens, particularly in sciences (university science programs are more and more filled with folks from other countries). I think I would rather have an educated population that goes elsewhere than one without any such options at all.

The Point isn't that the US really should be just like Norway, (at least for me), the point is that we could move a lot closer to them and not, as Phattscotty et al seem to imply, wind up with a totalitarian communist regime here.

AND, for every ill brought up about "socialized medicine", etc, there are several equally serious or more serious issues here.

[saxitoxin]

LOL
Denmark happens to be among the freest thinking countries on Earth, sir. AND it is one of the most socialized, PLUS noted as one with the happiest population according to a recent survey.

Each family of 4 also owes a $500,000 share of government debt (see: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=129547). In a matter of time the ceiling is going to come crashing down and their so-called wonderful lifestyle will be 1 doctor for every 1,000 people, ether for anesthesia, food rations, etc.

Yeah of course, manipulating statistics it’s simple, and gives the false impression to be wise and right. So, if I ate two hamburgers, and you don’t eat anything, in AVERAGE each one ate one. But the true is that I ate two and you zero. So, go to trick people with stupid averages somewhere else

I would be happy to address whatever point it is you're attempting to make but I regret we don't speak a common language.

[PLAYER57832]

Yeah of course, manipulating statistics it’s simple, and gives the false impression to be wise and right. So, if I ate two hamburgers, and you don’t eat anything, in AVERAGE each one ate one. But the true is that I ate two and you zero. So, go to trick people with stupid averages somewhere else

This is true, but in this case he did not even copy his own information correctly. The link he cited said 107K, not 500K.

I would be happy to address whatever point it is you're attempting to make but I regret we don't speak a common language.

It's called English. Try googling a dictionary.

[saxitoxin]

Yeah of course, manipulating statistics it’s simple, and gives the false impression to be wise and right. So, if I ate two hamburgers, and you don’t eat anything, in AVERAGE each one ate one. But the true is that I ate two and you zero. So, go to trick people with stupid averages somewhere else

This is true, but in this case he did not even copy his own information correctly. The link he cited said 107K, not 500K.

Uh, Player ... the link I cited said $107,000 per person. If you multiply $107,000 x 4 ("family of four", as I said) you get $428,000, or, colloquially, "$500,000."

You are a hilarious nutcase. But it's not just that. You don't even understand simple math. The threads in which you post devolve into complete train wrecks as a result. I shouldn't look but it's too intoxicating and I simply can't avert my gaze. It's even more delightful that you now made a new little friend; one, in fact, who was just censured for using anti-gay slurs (the "F" word) against other posters and whose spelling and grammar mirrors your own. I'm about to explode in a rainbow of delight at the utter hilarity that is compounding upon itself here!

[Falkomagno]

LOL
Denmark happens to be among the freest thinking countries on Earth, sir. AND it is one of the most socialized, PLUS noted as one with the happiest population according to a recent survey.

Each family of 4 also owes a $500,000 share of government debt (see: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=129547). In a matter of time the ceiling is going to come crashing down and their so-called wonderful lifestyle will be 1 doctor for every 1,000 people, ether for anesthesia, food rations, etc.

Yeah of course, manipulating statistics it’s simple, and gives the false impression to be wise and right. So, if I ate two hamburgers, and you don’t eat anything, in AVERAGE each one ate one. But the true is that I ate two and you zero. So, go to trick people with stupid averages somewhere else

I would be happy to address whatever point it is you're attempting to make but I regret we don't speak a common language.

hahaha....yeah...to see your stupid arguments destroyed should be kind of depressive. Try to acknowledge your mistakes, then you will feel better and you will increase your knowledge. And yes, I’m too fucking banned, I don't even know how can I write this . Hahaha. what a sore loser!

[saxitoxin]

LOL
Denmark happens to be among the freest thinking countries on Earth, sir. AND it is one of the most socialized, PLUS noted as one with the happiest population according to a recent survey.

Each family of 4 also owes a $500,000 share of government debt (see: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=129547). In a matter of time the ceiling is going to come crashing down and their so-called wonderful lifestyle will be 1 doctor for every 1,000 people, ether for anesthesia, food rations, etc.

Yeah of course, manipulating statistics it’s simple, and gives the false impression to be wise and right. So, if I ate two hamburgers, and you don’t eat anything, in AVERAGE each one ate one. But the true is that I ate two and you zero. So, go to trick people with stupid averages somewhere else

I would be happy to address whatever point it is you're attempting to make but I regret we don't speak a common language.

hahaha....yeah...to see your stupid arguments destroyed should be kind of depressive. Try to acknowledge your mistakes, then you will feel better and you will increase your knowledge. And yes, I’m too fucking banned, I don't even know how can I write this . Hahaha. what a sore loser!

sorry, I've no clue what you just said

[Falkomagno]

what a fairy marikita have you become. I'm dissapointed son

[saxitoxin]

what a fairy marikita have you become. I'm dissapointed son

You seem upset.

[john9blue]

[PLAYER57832]

Yeah of course, manipulating statistics it’s simple, and gives the false impression to be wise and right. So, if I ate two hamburgers, and you don’t eat anything, in AVERAGE each one ate one. But the true is that I ate two and you zero. So, go to trick people with stupid averages somewhere else

This is true, but in this case he did not even copy his own information correctly. The link he cited said 107K, not 500K.

Uh, Player ... the link I cited said $107,000 per person. If you multiply $107,000 x 4 ("family of four", as I said) you get $428,000, or, colloquially, "$500,000."

ah. well.. at least I know how to round numbers.

[Phatscotty]

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[saxitoxin]

Yeah of course, manipulating statistics it’s simple, and gives the false impression to be wise and right. So, if I ate two hamburgers, and you don’t eat anything, in AVERAGE each one ate one. But the true is that I ate two and you zero. So, go to trick people with stupid averages somewhere else

This is true, but in this case he did not even copy his own information correctly. The link he cited said 107K, not 500K.

Uh, Player ... the link I cited said $107,000 per person. If you multiply $107,000 x 4 ("family of four", as I said) you get $428,000, or, colloquially, "$500,000."

ah. well.. at least I know how to round numbers.

not sure you do, buttercup: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=130624#p2863517

not sure you know what "colloquial" means, either

colloquial: refers to a style used in the oral exchange of ideas, opinions, etc.: an easy conversational style
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/colloquial

[BigBallinStalin]

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How bout we all sit back and take a little breather, m'kay?


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Seriously, my family hails from Norway.... Why can't we just be more like them? What is so poisonous about that?
They have socialized health care, and the average wage is like $28 American. My cousin Einer works about 35 hours a week, and gets five weeks of vacation a year on top of all that. There are very few uber-rich people there, and even fewer poor.
Part of their good lifestyle is because their state owned oil company shares profits with the people, but on that matter, America has oil too. And coal, and copper, and gold, ect ect.

That sounds good, but it's not just the state forcing the oil company to split profits with the people. I assume that Norway has higher taxes than the US, which will discourage many companies for holding operations there. It's just not as profitable.

If the US were to follow Norway's model, we'd most likely experience a huge loss in businesses, foreign direct investment, and all sorts of goodies. People's incentives to leave the US would also increase, so we might experience a brain-drain, but I may be stretching it on that one. It just depends on how high Norway's taxes are and how high the costs to doing buisness there are.

Oh, also, it feels easier to give money to a mainly homogeneous group of citizens like in Norway. However, when a large majority of a certain minority receives their welfare at the expense of another ethnic group, people tend to get pissy. So, racism and prejudice in the US most likely has something to do with negative feelings towards providing as much welfare as Norway does.

You raise valid points. Denmark, at least is experiencing a "brain drain", loss of some business, etc. To contrast, the US is experiencing a decrease in the education level of its citizens, particularly in sciences (university science programs are more and more filled with folks from other countries). I think I would rather have an educated population that goes elsewhere than one without any such options at all.

The Point isn't that the US really should be just like Norway, (at least for me), the point is that we could move a lot closer to them and not, as Phattscotty et al seem to imply, wind up with a totalitarian communist regime here.

AND, for every ill brought up about "socialized medicine", etc, there are several equally serious or more serious issues here.

But such a move towards expanding welfare similar to Norway's comes at a huge, unseen cost. The US will definitely lose business with higher taxes in order to raise more revenue to support such an ambitious and expensive program like the so-called Obamacare.

In my humble opinion, regarding healthcare the US wasn't in enough of a "crisis" to justify such a huge expansion in state welfare. It's unnecessary, and not at all the best of available options.

I agree that there are some benefits in "socialized medicine," but the right regulations and limitations are never properly put in place to maximize its efficiency, which ultimately is much more limited with state control.