OBAMA

[got tonkaed]

You guys have a policy?

lol its rumored that there is one. In as far as i can tell you, look for mr. Napoleon, as he seems to have complied all the requisite numbers about the candidate, or at least he claims so.

[nesterdude]

Mixed race kids often "choose a side" so as to fit in with their peers. Peer pressure is a huge force when one is in grade school and high school. Kids search for an identity, a group of peers they can belong to. For kids of mixed heritage, they often choose the side they most physically resemble, and even then sometimes they are just outcasts. So, if I'm of mixed heritage, and appear black, which group do you think I will fall into? Maybe not as big as an issue today, but it certainly was back when Obama was a kid. So it's not a matter of denouncing anything, but simply of a kid trying to fit in, like all kids do.

LOL where did you do your sociology study at Wicked?
Or did you hear that on CNN or Newsweek
LOL

[got tonkaed]

while its probably irrelevant...

there is probably sociological theory that would hold wickeds point to be more or less true, when abstracted out. Id search for some, if it really was an issue.

[suggs]

Mixed race kids often "choose a side" so as to fit in with their peers. Peer pressure is a huge force when one is in grade school and high school. Kids search for an identity, a group of peers they can belong to. For kids of mixed heritage, they often choose the side they most physically resemble, and even then sometimes they are just outcasts. So, if I'm of mixed heritage, and appear black, which group do you think I will fall into? Maybe not as big as an issue today, but it certainly was back when Obama was a kid. So it's not a matter of denouncing anything, but simply of a kid trying to fit in, like all kids do.

LOL where did you do your sociology study at Wicked?
Or did you hear that on CNN or Newsweek
LOL

I don't see your point. What Wicked said is clearly true.
You don't need to support every point you make with a Phd or a massive statistical study.
The fact that kids want to fit in is simply true.
Lovely of you to join the discussion tho'

[nesterdude]

Mixed race kids often "choose a side" so as to fit in with their peers. Peer pressure is a huge force when one is in grade school and high school. Kids search for an identity, a group of peers they can belong to. For kids of mixed heritage, they often choose the side they most physically resemble, and even then sometimes they are just outcasts. So, if I'm of mixed heritage, and appear black, which group do you think I will fall into? Maybe not as big as an issue today, but it certainly was back when Obama was a kid. So it's not a matter of denouncing anything, but simply of a kid trying to fit in, like all kids do.

LOL where did you do your sociology study at Wicked?
Or did you hear that on CNN or Newsweek
LOL

I don't see your point. What Wicked said is clearly true.
You don't need to support every point you make with a Phd or a massive statistical study.
The fact that kids want to fit in is simply true.
Lovely of you to join the discussion tho'

LOL oh yes, "every" kid wants to fit in, and "every" bi racial kid goes to one side or the other....
That's a trendy thought, and quite myopic

[wicked]

lol obviously not an expert, just what I've seen and experienced firsthand. I've always considered real life to be a better teacher in some regards. For example, I'm half Spanish, half Irish, so what do I check on forms? I'm forced to choose either Hispanic or White most of the time, although some newer forms I see have "White, Hispanic" and "White, non-Hispanic". So if I'm in high school trying to get into college, or applying for a job, if I check Hispanic I get accused of trying to use my race to "help" me along since these places have quotas. Or I get looks if I check Hispanic because I appear white. I've gotten to where I choose Hispanic on medical forms since that is relevant there, but "white" everywhere else. So did I "choose" my white side? Not really. I still identify with my mom's side of the family (the hispanic side) and haven't "denounced" that part of my heritage.

[wicked]

LOL oh yes, "every" kid wants to fit in, and "every" bi racial kid goes to one side or the other....
That's a trendy thought, and quite myopic

Where did I say "every"???

[suggs]

Its lucky for you nesterdude I've had a recent warning for flaming

So, dear CC-er, old chum, bestest bud, and super intelligent being, I merely say, to no -one in particular:

POOP.

I assume you are a Sixth Former (16-18 year old) or something? That was the sort of cool "Ah, but everyone is different comment i thought was clever at that age".

*sigh* no, not EVERY single child in the universe wants to fit in.
But most do, the vast majority do.

But it would be great if you could pop back in ant some point, when we are going off - base and remind us "Not all human beings like music, Suggs" or some other earth shattering comment.

God, I like you so much

[nesterdude]

lol obviously not an expert, just what I've seen and experienced firsthand. I've always considered real life to be a better teacher in some regards. For example, I'm half Spanish, half Irish, so what do I check on forms? I'm forced to choose either Hispanic or White most of the time, although some newer forms I see have "White, Hispanic" and "White, non-Hispanic". So if I'm in high school trying to get into college, or applying for a job, if I check Hispanic I get accused of trying to use my race to "help" me along since these places have quotas. Or I get looks if I check Hispanic because I appear white. I've gotten to where I choose Hispanic on medical forms since that is relevant there, but "white" everywhere else. So did I "choose" my white side? Not really. I still identify with my mom's side of the family (the hispanic side) and haven't "denounced" that part of my heritage.

Here here, I'll agree with the Real Life experience...
Well said and supported.

OH and Suggs, if I could wend my way through that dribble, I could respond, but I am neither young, nor of low education...that should suffice.

[wicked]

So what I'm getting at.... eventually.... did Obama actually say "I DENOUNCE WHITES!" ??????? Or is it just the spin doctors propogating this because he <gasp> married a black woman?

[Napoleon Ier]

You guys have a policy?

lol its rumored that there is one. In as far as i can tell you, look for mr. Napoleon, as he seems to have complied all the requisite numbers about the candidate, or at least he claims so.

S'far as I can tell, the Cato Institute is estimating Obama's programmes at a cost of $800bn, whilst the NTU is saying he'll raise yearly federal tax by $300bn, but Laffer curve enthusiasts such as I would say he's going to have to raise the tax rate higher and higher each year to levy that same amount extra as time progresses. I guess the rest of the funds will come from issuing bonds or getting state and local to increase tax.

[Napoleon Ier]

K jay,,you want to insert something I didnt say into my post..a little silly but whatever

So funny that its the Obama supporters who bring up the race card,you dont have to point out the obvious by saying hes black,because hes a half-breed is what he actually is,God made us all so I dont hate him just dont like the idea of a man who has little to no experience,who strays so far from my beliefs,he says YES!WE CAN!,,we can what? look forward to a closet socialist who may very well take down the flag and pass out the Koran?we can look forward to someone who wont know there ass from a hole in the ground but lets elect him because hes black oh yes lets make a point and elect the first black man to be president even though he has no military background whatsoever,no loyalties to Israel ,no plan to deal with the immigrants that continue to flood us and take jobs and pay no taxes and send the $$$ home so more illegals can invade us and take more jobs and the people that do what they are supposed to do and are from here pay taxes to support them.Yes!We can!No I cant! I WONT! McCain isnt Bush,its that simple,and I am praying all the Hilary supporters will change parties,hoping all the women will see that by electing Obama it wont be long before we are walking 3 steps behind covering ourselves head to toe,sound crazy?IT IS crazy beyond wacked,the man spent his life listening to hate,listening to how the white man has done his people wrong
being told that jews are bad,been told we can overcome,OK well what happens to the rest of us when he does?He has denounced the other half of his heritage,the white side,he chose to marry a darky,go to a black church,embrace that life,so I am not allowed to embrace my heritage?I am also a half breed if you will hell we all are in some form,so for now,until he is elected I have the right to voice my opinion,and we can look at it this way noone has an excuse to complain,we all vote see what happens and deal with it then thats all we can do,someones gonna be happy and then the other half can complain for 4 years,I only want whats best for this country and my children who have to grow up here,I dont care if the bastard is purple I just want someone who is looking out our best interest not someone who is loved by our enemies,I may wrong on this but when you have Islam Extremist backing you and for all we know funneling $$$ thats not a good thing.you got one thing right jay Im honest and I wont be voting for Obama because hes black and not to keen on white folk.middle america who wants to cling to there guns?OK that works,hes anti-American that works too,he wont know what the frak hes doing,another reason,hes not my choice is all,if he is yours go out and vote,VOTE VOTE VOTE AND SAY NO TO OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I look forward to Fireside Poet defending this redneck rant

yeah me too lolol

DIXIE thats leik racist lolol

!!!!11ONE!!!1!

[InkL0sed]

K jay,,you want to insert something I didnt say into my post..a little silly but whatever

So funny that its the Obama supporters who bring up the race card,you dont have to point out the obvious by saying hes black,because hes a half-breed is what he actually is,God made us all so I dont hate him just dont like the idea of a man who has little to no experience,who strays so far from my beliefs,he says YES!WE CAN!,,we can what? look forward to a closet socialist who may very well take down the flag and pass out the Koran?we can look forward to someone who wont know there ass from a hole in the ground but lets elect him because hes black oh yes lets make a point and elect the first black man to be president even though he has no military background whatsoever,no loyalties to Israel ,no plan to deal with the immigrants that continue to flood us and take jobs and pay no taxes and send the $$$ home so more illegals can invade us and take more jobs and the people that do what they are supposed to do and are from here pay taxes to support them.Yes!We can!No I cant! I WONT! McCain isnt Bush,its that simple,and I am praying all the Hilary supporters will change parties,hoping all the women will see that by electing Obama it wont be long before we are walking 3 steps behind covering ourselves head to toe,sound crazy?IT IS crazy beyond wacked,the man spent his life listening to hate,listening to how the white man has done his people wrong
being told that jews are bad,been told we can overcome,OK well what happens to the rest of us when he does?He has denounced the other half of his heritage,the white side,he chose to marry a darky,go to a black church,embrace that life,so I am not allowed to embrace my heritage?I am also a half breed if you will hell we all are in some form,so for now,until he is elected I have the right to voice my opinion,and we can look at it this way noone has an excuse to complain,we all vote see what happens and deal with it then thats all we can do,someones gonna be happy and then the other half can complain for 4 years,I only want whats best for this country and my children who have to grow up here,I dont care if the bastard is purple I just want someone who is looking out our best interest not someone who is loved by our enemies,I may wrong on this but when you have Islam Extremist backing you and for all we know funneling $$$ thats not a good thing.you got one thing right jay Im honest and I wont be voting for Obama because hes black and not to keen on white folk.middle america who wants to cling to there guns?OK that works,hes anti-American that works too,he wont know what the frak hes doing,another reason,hes not my choice is all,if he is yours go out and vote,VOTE VOTE VOTE AND SAY NO TO OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe if you'd actually listened to the speech, rather than listen to the sound-bite on FOX News, you'd know how to finish the "Yes, we can!" sentence.

I couldn't get myself through the rest of this -- you're obviously quite deluded as to Obama's experience and motivations.

[nesterdude]

I couldn't get myself through the rest of this -- you're obviously quite deluded as to Obama's experience and motivations.

OK, I'd like to know one thing, and if anyone can explain that would be great.

Why, during his term as an Illinois State Senator did he vote "present" more than 130 times on bills that discussed crime, guns and abortion instead of taking a stand by voting "yes" or "no"?

How does someone who not only doesn't vote and only sponsored one bill through the Senate be an advocate for change when he didn't use his terms to effect change?

[InkL0sed]

I couldn't get myself through the rest of this -- you're obviously quite deluded as to Obama's experience and motivations.

OK, I'd like to know one thing, and if anyone can explain that would be great.

Why, during his term as an Illinois State Senator did he vote "present" more than 130 times on bills that discussed crime, guns and abortion instead of taking a stand by voting "yes" or "no"?

How does someone who not only doesn't vote and only sponsored one bill through the Senate be an advocate for change when he didn't use his terms to effect change?

I don't know, but I can't comment on something which I don't know all about. Senate politics, for one. Maybe those bills had earmarks. Politics is muddy and convoluted; that's all I can say about that.

[Napoleon Ier]

DIXIE: you're points are by and large good, and coherently expressed, but I'd be a little careful calling Obama an anti-american muslim sleeper agent, it does tend to lower the tone of an otherwise excellent post.

Carry on.

[DIXIE]

K jay,,you want to insert something I didnt say into my post..a little silly but whatever

So funny that its the Obama supporters who bring up the race card,you dont have to point out the obvious by saying hes black,because hes a half-breed is what he actually is,God made us all so I dont hate him just dont like the idea of a man who has little to no experience,who strays so far from my beliefs,he says YES!WE CAN!,,we can what? look forward to a closet socialist who may very well take down the flag and pass out the Koran?we can look forward to someone who wont know there ass from a hole in the ground but lets elect him because hes black oh yes lets make a point and elect the first black man to be president even though he has no military background whatsoever,no loyalties to Israel ,no plan to deal with the immigrants that continue to flood us and take jobs and pay no taxes and send the $$$ home so more illegals can invade us and take more jobs and the people that do what they are supposed to do and are from here pay taxes to support them.Yes!We can!No I cant! I WONT! McCain isnt Bush,its that simple,and I am praying all the Hilary supporters will change parties,hoping all the women will see that by electing Obama it wont be long before we are walking 3 steps behind covering ourselves head to toe,sound crazy?IT IS crazy beyond wacked,the man spent his life listening to hate,listening to how the white man has done his people wrong
being told that jews are bad,been told we can overcome,OK well what happens to the rest of us when he does?He has denounced the other half of his heritage,the white side,he chose to marry a darky,go to a black church,embrace that life,so I am not allowed to embrace my heritage?I am also a half breed if you will hell we all are in some form,so for now,until he is elected I have the right to voice my opinion,and we can look at it this way noone has an excuse to complain,we all vote see what happens and deal with it then thats all we can do,someones gonna be happy and then the other half can complain for 4 years,I only want whats best for this country and my children who have to grow up here,I dont care if the bastard is purple I just want someone who is looking out our best interest not someone who is loved by our enemies,I may wrong on this but when you have Islam Extremist backing you and for all we know funneling $$$ thats not a good thing.you got one thing right jay Im honest and I wont be voting for Obama because hes black and not to keen on white folk.middle america who wants to cling to there guns?OK that works,hes anti-American that works too,he wont know what the frak hes doing,another reason,hes not my choice is all,if he is yours go out and vote,VOTE VOTE VOTE AND SAY NO TO OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe if you'd actually listened to the speech, rather than listen to the sound-bite on FOX News, you'd know how to finish the "Yes, we can!" sentence.

I couldn't get myself through the rest of this -- you're obviously quite deluded as to Obama's experience and motivations.

LOL You Obamalovers sure hate FOX
OK SO.. Obama's experience lets get to it... Elected to the Illinois Senate in 1996,then actively In the Senate since 2005..1 year of foreign policy experience,so thats on the job training for him once you wackos elect him,he has a fundamental misunderstanding of history and a basic lack of knowledge about the military.

As for his motivation I will choose my words carefully.He is motivated by(in my opinion only!!)his Muslim upbringing I know he had at least 4 years in Muslim school in Jakarta in his book that he wrote himself he says he wasnt raised in a religious household,I am not making this stuff up
and FYI I did listen to the speech and I know the finish to Yes!WE CAN! its not good at all. I am not not calling him a muslim or saying muslims are bad people,just the ones that hate America's very existence! I think it would be a bad thing for the US to have anyone no matter who in the position of President who was motivated by Muslim beliefs .

[Napoleon Ier]

Oh but DIXIE, you don't need experience to be the President. Just look at George W. Berr...I mean, Abraham Lincoln....

[InkL0sed]

LOL You Obamalovers sure hate FOX

Indeed, I hate most TV news, FOX being the worst. They're all incredibly biased.

OK SO.. Obama's experience lets get to it... Elected to the Illinois Senate in 1996,then actively In the Senate since 2005..1 year of foreign policy experience,so thats on the job training for him once you wackos elect him,he has a fundamental misunderstanding of history and a basic lack of knowledge about the military.

Let's see... how many good Presidents had much foreign policy experience? Not many, I assure you.

He has a fundamental misunderstanding of history? Where do you get this from? Somehow I doubt a guy who used to teach Constitutional Law is so ignorant of history...

And he may not know much of the military (though somehow I think he knows more than most) -- but that's why one has advisors. Obama has the kind of personality that will listen to people (unlike some recent Presidents), so this really shouldn't be an issue.

As for his motivation I will choose my words carefully.He is motivated by(in my opinion only!!)his Muslim upbringing I know he had at least 4 years in Muslim school in Jakarta in his book that he wrote himself he says he wasnt raised in a religious household,I am not making this stuff up
and FYI I did listen to the speech and I know the finish to Yes!WE CAN! its not good at all. I am not not calling him a muslim or saying muslims are bad people,just the ones that hate America's very existence! I think it would be a bad thing for the US to have anyone no matter who in the position of President who was motivated by Muslim beliefs .

Well obviously you have no idea what you're talking about.

Oh but DIXIE, you don't need experience to be the President. Just look at George W. Berr...I mean, Abraham Lincoln....

Well yes, exactly!

Or maybe Teddy Roosevelt or JFK...

Examples of bad Presidents with plenty of experience: Hoover, Nixon... the list goes on.

[suggs]

I don't think you do need that much experience. After all, no matter what experience you may have had, nothing will adequately prepare you for the greatest job in the world.
Truman and Johnson had prior WhiteHouse experience, and few people would claim they rank amongst the great Presidents.

Thats why the President has advisors and experts -frankly I would be more worried if some one like Colin Powell (well, he seems cool, but i mean an ex-military man) got the job, because specialists tend to enjoy their specialities, and also not to know too much about anything else.

The President is meant to give GENERAL direction, an overall impetus to policy making, and to hopefully inspire those around him. Some coherent ideological drive is also probably a good idea, to prevent aimlessness, fudge and confusion.

I could't give a rats arse whether Obam has had 20 or 2 years Senatorial experience -as long as he is intelligent, hard working, inspirational and decisive, I'm sure he'll do a grand job.

[InkL0sed]

I don't think you do need that much experience. After all, no matter what experience you may have had, nothing will adequately prepare you for the greatest job in the world.
Truman and Johnson had prior WhiteHouse experience, and few people would claim they rank amongst the great Presidents.

Thats why the President has advisors and experts -frankly I would be more worried if some one like Colin Powell (well, he seems cool, but i mean an ex-military man) got the job, because specialists tend to enjoy their specialities, and also not to know too much about anything else.

The President is meant to give GENERAL direction, an overall impetus to policy making, and to hopefully inspire those around him. Some coherent ideological drive is also probably a good idea, to prevent aimlessness, fudge and confusion.

I could't give a rats arse whether Obam has had 20 or 2 years Senatorial experience -as long as he is intelligent, hard working, inspirational and decisive, I'm sure he'll do a grand job.

Well said.

[nesterdude]

I'm still awaiting an answer to how his track record has been as an agent for change, or whether he's actually proven quite the opposite

[Snorri1234]

As for his motivation I will choose my words carefully.He is motivated by(in my opinion only!!)his Muslim upbringing I know he had at least 4 years in Muslim school in Jakarta in his book that he wrote himself he says he wasnt raised in a religious household,I am not making this stuff up

AWESOME! He's a muslim because he had education in a "muslim" school, even though it's probably hard to find a non-muslim school in jakarta?
Didn't you assert that the america-hating christian preacher was a bad influence and obviously means he hates jews and stuff?

I am not not calling him a muslim or saying muslims are bad people,just the ones that hate America's very existence!

Well I gathered you didn't call him not a muslim. However, you are pretty quick to call almost all muslims (at least the black ones running for president who aren't actually muslims) america-haters, so I can't help but feeling that you're calling all of them bad people.



Honestly, how do you come up with this shit? Do you just blindly repeat what Fox-news tells you? Is there even a shred of reasoning ability in you?

[danvoy9787]

As for his motivation I will choose my words carefully.He is motivated by(in my opinion only!!)his Muslim upbringing I know he had at least 4 years in Muslim school in Jakarta in his book that he wrote himself he says he wasnt raised in a religious household,I am not making this stuff up

AWESOME! He's a muslim because he had education in a "muslim" school, even though it's probably hard to find a non-muslim school in jakarta?
Didn't you assert that the america-hating christian preacher was a bad influence and obviously means he hates jews and stuff?

I am not not calling him a muslim or saying muslims are bad people,just the ones that hate America's very existence!

Well I gathered you didn't call him not a muslim. However, you are pretty quick to call almost all muslims (at least the black ones running for president who aren't actually muslims) america-haters, so I can't help but feeling that you're calling all of them bad people.



Honestly, how do you come up with this shit? Do you just blindly repeat what Fox-news tells you? Is there even a shred of reasoning ability in you?

I dont really call this an argument but--- your wrong. I was unsure about obama till all the "church" issues he had. Plus, i stronly believe he only took on christianity only so he could run for presidency. I mean come on, if he stayed muslim, people would have LAUGHED at him! And i also hate all muslim america haters, but that is NOT to say i hate alll muslims!!

[Juan_Bottom]

Muslims aren't America haters. People are America haters. You all make it sound like it is an us and them issue.