Conquer Club

ObamaCare - exchanges ,report your states options!

\\OFF-TOPIC// conversations about everything that has nothing to do with Conquer Club.

Moderator: Community Team

Forum rules
Please read the Community Guidelines before posting.

Re: Overturning ObamaCare: Nov 2nd

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:32 pm

Night Strike wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:ON another side, I find it interesting that so much of the debate here has been about Obama turning our healthcare system into socialized healthcare. Yet, here we have one component that truly IS socialized and it seems Obama is moving in the other direction, privatizing. Even so, the same people are objecting.


You just don't get it do you? Do you have any clue what the proper role of the federal government is supposed to be?

I disagree with your view on the matter, but then, even the writers of the constitution disagreed. There is nothing unAmerican about having differing views.
Corporal PLAYER57832
 
Posts: 3085
Joined: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:17 am
Location: Pennsylvania

Re: Overturning ObamaCare: Nov 2nd

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:59 pm

Night Strike wrote:You just don't get it do you? Do you have any clue what the proper role of the federal government is supposed to be? The federal government is responsible for establishing and funding a standing army, which includes providing for the needs of those people who sacrifice everything to serve.

The role of a government is the will of it's people. A true government should protect it's people from all sorts of harm, because in the end, the people are the nation.There is no rule that says the government should only protect it's soldiers (ironic). FDR was a hero because he defended those inalienable rights.
I can't really see it being called "a sacrifice" to serve in this context either. The bull-work of our military isn't people who plan to serve full time for their whole lives because their families are in danger. It's made up of people who need the money or school vouchers because they got a bad draw and were born into a poor neighborhood (those neighborhoods where the voting machines don't seem to work right either). The real sacrifice is the American dream.

PLAYER57832 wrote:I disagree with your view on the matter, but then, even the writers of the constitution disagreed. There is nothing unAmerican about having differing views.

I bet they would agree about you being a commie. ;)
User avatar
Sergeant 1st Class Juan_Bottom
 
Posts: 1110
Joined: Mon May 19, 2008 4:59 pm
Location: USA RULES! WHOOO!!!!

Re: Overturning ObamaCare: Nov 2nd

Postby DangerBoy on Sat Nov 13, 2010 8:17 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:ON another side, I find it interesting that so much of the debate here has been about Obama turning our healthcare system into socialized healthcare. Yet, here we have one component that truly IS socialized and it seems Obama is moving in the other direction, privatizing. Even so, the same people are objecting.


You just don't get it do you? Do you have any clue what the proper role of the federal government is supposed to be?

I disagree with your view on the matter, but then, even the writers of the constitution disagreed. There is nothing unAmerican about having differing views.


I'd agree up to a point. It's certainly not unAmerican to have a differing view, but the problem is that differing views often to lead to actual action. Obama and the Democrats have taken actual action based on the differing view that government should overstep its role as protector and now become a provider. People in the past had different views that lead to action. Calling black slaves property, denying women the right to vote, twisting laws to deny blacks civil rights. Those actions were all based on differing views from our founding. And yes, they were unAmerican.
PLAYER57832 wrote:I hope we all become liberal drones.
User avatar
Sergeant 1st Class DangerBoy
 
Posts: 190
Joined: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:31 pm
Location: Nevada

Re: Overturning ObamaCare: Nov 2nd

Postby Phatscotty on Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:56 pm

DangerBoy wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:ON another side, I find it interesting that so much of the debate here has been about Obama turning our healthcare system into socialized healthcare. Yet, here we have one component that truly IS socialized and it seems Obama is moving in the other direction, privatizing. Even so, the same people are objecting.


You just don't get it do you? Do you have any clue what the proper role of the federal government is supposed to be?

I disagree with your view on the matter, but then, even the writers of the constitution disagreed. There is nothing unAmerican about having differing views.


I'd agree up to a point. It's certainly not unAmerican to have a differing view, but the problem is that differing views often to lead to actual action. Obama and the Democrats have taken actual action based on the differing view that government should overstep its role as protector and now become a provider. People in the past had different views that lead to action. Calling black slaves property, denying women the right to vote, twisting laws to deny blacks civil rights. Those actions were all based on differing views from our founding. And yes, they were unAmerican.


This is getting good
User avatar
Major Phatscotty
 
Posts: 3714
Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:50 pm

Re: Overturning ObamaCare: Nov 2nd

Postby GreecePwns on Sat Nov 13, 2010 10:57 pm

DangerBoy wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:ON another side, I find it interesting that so much of the debate here has been about Obama turning our healthcare system into socialized healthcare. Yet, here we have one component that truly IS socialized and it seems Obama is moving in the other direction, privatizing. Even so, the same people are objecting.


You just don't get it do you? Do you have any clue what the proper role of the federal government is supposed to be?

I disagree with your view on the matter, but then, even the writers of the constitution disagreed. There is nothing unAmerican about having differing views.


I'd agree up to a point. It's certainly not unAmerican to have a differing view, but the problem is that differing views often to lead to actual action. Obama and the Democrats have taken actual action based on the differing view that government should overstep its role as protector and now become a provider. People in the past had different views that lead to action. Calling black slaves property, denying women the right to vote, twisting laws to deny blacks civil rights. Those actions were all based on differing views from our founding. And yes, they were unAmerican.


Well if you're under the assumption that Democrats then are the same as Democrats now OR that they two parties aren't the equivalent of shit looking at itself in the mirror, then yes, Democrats are unamerican. But both those claims are false.

Two can play that game though. And I'll use recent politics as an example.

Because willingly shutting down the government, which would sent government employees home without pay, stop Social Security and Medicare payments, excuse the powers that be from once again dealing with the problems facing the average American person - not that they would anyway, all they care about is whichever corporation or think tank their campaign funding comes from - is unamerican unless you seriously believe that's how the government should be run.

Supporting these two parties* while telling those who have opinions outside of the two parties' positions on the role of government that they aren't worth listening to simply because they were not the opinions of our founders is simply unamerican. Those same founders you defend believed in the idea of free speech. I'm not accusing you of this, just stating something that is prevalent in our society. These boards are no exception.

*That is, unless you are an insurance industry executive, CEO of a large corporation or bank, a politician looking to sellout yourself, or a K Street lobbyist. Then its exercising freedom of speech the right way - in a way that helps you become rich.
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.

Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
User avatar
Corporal GreecePwns
 
Posts: 2656
Joined: Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:19 pm
Location: Lawn Guy Lint

Re: Overturning ObamaCare: Nov 2nd

Postby Night Strike on Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:40 am

GreecePwns wrote:Because willingly shutting down the government, which would sent government employees home without pay, stop Social Security and Medicare payments, excuse the powers that be from once again dealing with the problems facing the average American person - not that they would anyway, all they care about is whichever corporation or think tank their campaign funding comes from - is unamerican unless you seriously believe that's how the government should be run.


When their only solution to "dealing with the problems facing the average American person" involves growing the government to give handouts, then no, that's not actually dealing with anything. Decreasing the size of the government will take care of people's problems, not growing it.
Image
User avatar
Major Night Strike
 
Posts: 8512
Joined: Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:52 pm

Re: Overturning ObamaCare: Nov 2nd

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sun Nov 14, 2010 9:55 am

Night Strike wrote:
GreecePwns wrote:Because willingly shutting down the government, which would sent government employees home without pay, stop Social Security and Medicare payments, excuse the powers that be from once again dealing with the problems facing the average American person - not that they would anyway, all they care about is whichever corporation or think tank their campaign funding comes from - is unamerican unless you seriously believe that's how the government should be run.


When their only solution to "dealing with the problems facing the average American person" involves growing the government to give handouts, then no, that's not actually dealing with anything. Decreasing the size of the government will take care of people's problems, not growing it.

Those are not the "only solutions", but they are what the Right wing likes to claim. The same right wing that tries to equate our duly elected President with socialism and/or being Hitler.
Corporal PLAYER57832
 
Posts: 3085
Joined: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:17 am
Location: Pennsylvania

Re: Overturning ObamaCare: Nov 2nd

Postby GreecePwns on Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:28 am

Night Strike wrote:
GreecePwns wrote:Because willingly shutting down the government, which would sent government employees home without pay, stop Social Security and Medicare payments, excuse the powers that be from once again dealing with the problems facing the average American person - not that they would anyway, all they care about is whichever corporation or think tank their campaign funding comes from - is unamerican unless you seriously believe that's how the government should be run.


When their only solution to "dealing with the problems facing the average American person" involves growing the government to give handouts, then no, that's not actually dealing with anything. Decreasing the size of the government will take care of people's problems, not growing it.


A lot of things have to happen before this government even begins to resemble one of the people. The first is proportional representation, which is already a pipe dream but something I'm sure you would agree too. Another thing I would add as an electoral reform measure is preferential voting where you mark first choice, second choice, etc (I'm not sure what the technical name is for it). One would assume this would lead to less attacking in campaigns and more presentation of ideas. Going further, I would say full public financing of campaigns takes money out of the question in elections and makes politicians more accountable for what they say since their opinions are not tied down by the donations of others.

We'll start with taxation. A more progressive tax system would lower taxes for the poor and middle class, which would be good for the economy since these people spend a much higher percentage of their money than they do save it. Raising taxes on the rich, who tend to have money just sitting there accumulating and not contributing to the economy, would help the government balance the budget. History has shown us that cutting taxes and spending creates large income disparities and shrinks the middle class. These two effect are near perfect indicators of an oncoming recession or depression.

Even though Social Security as it stands is stable for at least the next 25 years, it can do better. Currently, a cap on Social Security taxes is essentially saying the poor should help aid the poor. Extending Social Security taxes to all Americans would not only increase the profits Social Security is making - which could then be passed on to the taxpayers, something you would support - it would free up the $2.5 trillion dollar trust fund we have in the program, which could serve the same purpose. Heck, with that sweet deal we could even afford to lower the retirement age.

People can come on here and talk about government takeovers or what have you, but the fact is that Medicare is more efficient than private insurance. I really strongly suggest, if you really want to hear the jist of this argument, you should see the arugment made by my congressional hero Anthony Weiner on the subject which left (admittedly a punching bag) Fox and Friends contradicting themselves, Joe Scarborough "speechless", Keith Varney absolutely FOOLISH (and once again yelling socialist, a point he was proven wrong on as well), Neil Cavuto asking why he didn't run for New York City Mayor, among other examples.

You cannot beat Anthony Weiner. He has too much intellect and dignity, and even gets Republicans to like him for this alone.

Medicare requires a 1 to 4 percent overhead, while private companies often take 30 percent of overhead and profits. Just by this fact alone, one can state with certainty that public insurance lowers costs to the consumer since the company isn't in it for the profit. Extending Medicare to all Americans may take away your "choice" of to have insurance or not or to have private insurance or not. But when your choice is a clear drain on the nation's economy as a whole, whether it is through going to taxpayer funded emergency rooms for care or having a company pocket the profits which would alternatively be passed entirely on to taxpayers, you shouldn't really have that choice. I could extend this argument to the government-approved local energy monopolies and oil companies and banks too (and a communist would extend it to anything really), but let's stay on topic.

And simply put, end the warfare. Shut down our international military bases. This is something you and I can agree is wasteful I would hope.

Another simply put argument, legalize marijuana. Increasing the tax base can lower taxes from other areas, like the middle class.

The point is this: you can't cut your way out of this problem. These measures alone would produce government profits (which would tackle the growing deficits in this nation), use excess revenues to lower taxes or the national debt, and get our nation focusing on the myriad of social issues in our nation. If that's not what you want in the first place, then I don't know what to tell you.
Last edited by GreecePwns on Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:55 am, edited 1 time in total.
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.

Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
User avatar
Corporal GreecePwns
 
Posts: 2656
Joined: Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:19 pm
Location: Lawn Guy Lint

Re: Overturning ObamaCare: Nov 2nd

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sun Nov 14, 2010 10:50 am

GreecePwns wrote:The point is this: you can't cut your way out of this problem. These measures alone would produce government profits (which would tackle the growing deficits in this nation), use excess revenues to lower taxes or the national debt, and get our nation focusing on the myriad of social issues in our nation. If that's not what you want in the first place, then I don't know what to tell you.

I would vote for you.
User avatar
Sergeant 1st Class Juan_Bottom
 
Posts: 1110
Joined: Mon May 19, 2008 4:59 pm
Location: USA RULES! WHOOO!!!!

Re: Overturning ObamaCare: Nov 2nd

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:07 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:
GreecePwns wrote:The point is this: you can't cut your way out of this problem. These measures alone would produce government profits (which would tackle the growing deficits in this nation), use excess revenues to lower taxes or the national debt, and get our nation focusing on the myriad of social issues in our nation. If that's not what you want in the first place, then I don't know what to tell you.

I would vote for you.


Well, if the gov't did not have such a long track record of projects/programs ending up costing double what they initially proposed, you might have a point...

When Medicare was enacted in 1965, official government projections foresaw hospital spending — the program’s largest component — reaching only $9 billion in 1990. Actual Medicare spending on hospital care in that year was $66 billion, or over seven times as high. One result is that Medicare’s payroll tax is now nearly double what its sponsors said would be necessary (having been raised most recently in 1994), and Congress increasingly relies on other revenue sources to meet Medicare’s obligations.


Do not ignore history, embrace it and let it help guide you

not even mentioning Medicare only pays about 60 something cents on the dollars it receives
User avatar
Major Phatscotty
 
Posts: 3714
Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:50 pm

Re: Overturning ObamaCare: Nov 2nd

Postby GreecePwns on Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:17 am

Phatscotty wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:
GreecePwns wrote:The point is this: you can't cut your way out of this problem. These measures alone would produce government profits (which would tackle the growing deficits in this nation), use excess revenues to lower taxes or the national debt, and get our nation focusing on the myriad of social issues in our nation. If that's not what you want in the first place, then I don't know what to tell you.

I would vote for you.


Well, if the gov't did not have such a long track record of projects/programs ending up costing double what they initially proposed, you might have a point...

When Medicare was enacted in 1965, official government projections foresaw hospital spending — the program’s largest component — reaching only $9 billion in 1990. Actual Medicare spending on hospital care in that year was $66 billion, or over seven times as high. One result is that Medicare’s payroll tax is now nearly double what its sponsors said would be necessary (having been raised most recently in 1994), and Congress increasingly relies on other revenue sources to meet Medicare’s obligations.


Do not ignore history, embrace it and let it help guide you

not even mentioning Medicare only pays about 60 something cents on the dollars it receives


This is selective use of history. Do you know why Medicare costs more? Because life expectancy increased faster than the makers of Medicare expected. That is the ultimate goal of the health care system correct? Proof positive Medicare has helped get results. On top of that, since the making of medicare, poverty among seniors has decreased from 33 percent to 10 percent. If you watch the end of the video of Varney interviewing Weiner in my last post, you would see this point debunked.

The point is yes, Medicare has a financing problem, but it is clearly more efficient than private insurance as its rise in rates is much slower than private insurance. Health care is not a commodity and our current system treats it as such.
Last edited by GreecePwns on Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:22 am, edited 3 times in total.
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.

Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
User avatar
Corporal GreecePwns
 
Posts: 2656
Joined: Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:19 pm
Location: Lawn Guy Lint

Re: Overturning ObamaCare: Nov 2nd

Postby GreecePwns on Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:17 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:
GreecePwns wrote:The point is this: you can't cut your way out of this problem. These measures alone would produce government profits (which would tackle the growing deficits in this nation), use excess revenues to lower taxes or the national debt, and get our nation focusing on the myriad of social issues in our nation. If that's not what you want in the first place, then I don't know what to tell you.

I would vote for you.

I appreciate it, but considering I'm a little less than 17 years shy of the age I can run for President, you'll just have to vote for Weiner in 2016.
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.

Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
User avatar
Corporal GreecePwns
 
Posts: 2656
Joined: Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:19 pm
Location: Lawn Guy Lint

Re: Overturning ObamaCare: Nov 2nd

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:37 am

GreecePwns wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:
GreecePwns wrote:The point is this: you can't cut your way out of this problem. These measures alone would produce government profits (which would tackle the growing deficits in this nation), use excess revenues to lower taxes or the national debt, and get our nation focusing on the myriad of social issues in our nation. If that's not what you want in the first place, then I don't know what to tell you.

I would vote for you.

I appreciate it, but considering I'm a little less than 17 years shy of the age I can run for President, you'll just have to vote for Weiner in 2016.


http://www.weinerfacts.com

What will Weiner do?
User avatar
Major Phatscotty
 
Posts: 3714
Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:50 pm

Re: Overturning ObamaCare: Nov 2nd

Postby Juan_Bottom on Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:42 am

I thought that Anthony Weiner answered the Medicare question fairly well in the limited amount of time that whats-his-face gave him on Fox News. (Greecepwns posted this)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH1OT6P4 ... re=channel
User avatar
Sergeant 1st Class Juan_Bottom
 
Posts: 1110
Joined: Mon May 19, 2008 4:59 pm
Location: USA RULES! WHOOO!!!!

Re: Overturning ObamaCare: Nov 2nd

Postby GreecePwns on Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:46 am

Phatscotty wrote:
GreecePwns wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:
GreecePwns wrote:The point is this: you can't cut your way out of this problem. These measures alone would produce government profits (which would tackle the growing deficits in this nation), use excess revenues to lower taxes or the national debt, and get our nation focusing on the myriad of social issues in our nation. If that's not what you want in the first place, then I don't know what to tell you.

I would vote for you.

I appreciate it, but considering I'm a little less than 17 years shy of the age I can run for President, you'll just have to vote for Weiner in 2016.


http://www.weinerfacts.com

What will Weiner do?


So instead of disproving anything, you're going on personal feuds between him and Glenn Beck. For the third time, you really have nothing of substance to say. First you went to Greece's problems simply because I'm Greek, and tried to tell me about my country's society. Then you went to attacking Player over my positions. Now you're going on a personal feud between a politician and a commentator on a network which the politician time and again proves their claims to be complete and utter lies and point to a Glenn Beck site.

Just admit it. You have nothing to say other than blindly cutting spending and taxes. Please Night Strike, give me something to talk about.

In other news, Weiner will be running for NYC Mayor in 2013. So juan_bottom, if you live in New York, you can vote for him then.
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.

Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
User avatar
Corporal GreecePwns
 
Posts: 2656
Joined: Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:19 pm
Location: Lawn Guy Lint

Re: Overturning ObamaCare: Nov 2nd

Postby HapSmo19 on Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:20 pm

User avatar
Lieutenant HapSmo19
 
Posts: 119
Joined: Sun May 11, 2008 4:30 pm
Location: Willamette Valley

Re: Overturning ObamaCare: Nov 2nd

Postby GreecePwns on Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:25 pm

We shouldn't hand out waivers to insurance companies. We should really deal with the problem: the existence of such companies.
Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.

Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.
User avatar
Corporal GreecePwns
 
Posts: 2656
Joined: Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:19 pm
Location: Lawn Guy Lint

Re: Overturning ObamaCare: Nov 2nd

Postby DangerBoy on Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:19 pm

GreecePwns wrote:Well if you're under the assumption that Democrats then are the same as Democrats now OR that they two parties aren't the equivalent of shit looking at itself in the mirror, then yes, Democrats are unamerican. But both those claims are false.


Never even came close to making that claim. But in the respect that in both periods of history they tried to take us away from the principles of the founding, then they would be. In the former, it was trying to convince the country that black slaves weren't humans worthy of equal status under the law. In the latter, it has been trying to force people to engage in commerce under penalty of criminal consequences.

GreecePwns wrote:Two can play that game though. And I'll use recent politics as an example.

Because willingly shutting down the government, which would sent government employees home without pay, stop Social Security and Medicare payments, excuse the powers that be from once again dealing with the problems facing the average American person


But that's the whole conflict. Government should not be in the business of self perpetuation. This is actually a perfect example of what's wrong. Government creates an entitlement program or two. Then when it can't be sustained and there are calls to either completely defund it or scale it back, those who have grown dependent on it say that it's unethical to take it away from them because they feel they are now entitled to it. Social security and Medicare are perfect examples of that.

GreecePwns wrote:not that they would anyway, all they care about is whichever corporation or think tank their campaign funding comes from - is unamerican unless you seriously believe that's how the government should be run.


You don't know that for sure, but the sentiment is understood. It's frustrating to watch the parties take huge donations. There's another way to look at it though, and that's the point of view that they must spend that amount of money to one or the other to protect themselves from legislation which would harm them to the point of being forced to shut down. Regulation to a point is fine, but when it's overly burdomesome it can do more harm than intended.

GreecePwns wrote:Supporting these two parties* while telling those who have opinions outside of the two parties' positions on the role of government that they aren't worth listening to simply because they were not the opinions of our founders is simply unamerican. Those same founders you defend believed in the idea of free speech. I'm not accusing you of this, just stating something that is prevalent in our society. These boards are no exception.


Point taken
PLAYER57832 wrote:I hope we all become liberal drones.
User avatar
Sergeant 1st Class DangerBoy
 
Posts: 190
Joined: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:31 pm
Location: Nevada

Re: Overturning ObamaCare: Nov 2nd

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:37 pm

Weiner? Oh Jesus ... is this the same guy who bashes any academic who dares criticize Israel, who voted for war on Iraq, who introduced a bill (on the orders of his Zionist bosses at AIPAC) to bar the Palestinian refugee delegation from entering New York for the UN General Assembly, whose only job since graduating university has been as an elected politician or an aide to an elected politician, who gobbles up literally hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations from the real estate industry (and we all know what "donations from the real estate industry" means in New York/New Jersey *wink wink*)?

Talk about someone who has the corporate cock planted firmly in his mouth. A man who has lived, perhaps, the most bland, formulaic, unremarkable life of any member in the already unremarkable U.S. Congress: (1) Park Slope upper class, social register family, to (2) University to (3) Law School to (4) Legislative Aide to (5) Monarchical Succession to the Congressional Seat whose retiring occupant for whom he was legislative aide to (6) arranged, political marriage to a party boss. Fin. :| Never once put it on the line. Never risked sit. A life spent sitting comfortably on his biscuit. This guy's inspiring?
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=241668&start=200#p5349880
User avatar
Corporal saxitoxin
 
Posts: 13398
Joined: Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:01 am

Re: Overturning ObamaCare: Nov 2nd

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Nov 14, 2010 5:02 pm

BTW - it should be noted that FOX News (via NewsCorp) has donated the maximum allowable amount to Weiner's last 3 campaigns. The militant, warmongering Zionism of a man who has never once seen the stock of an assault rifle apparently is inspiring to some, at least.

Let's call Weiner staff when we need someone to cut a ribbon or gratuitously wave a flag and leave real decisions to someone who isn't such a cookie-cutter sycophant.

ImageImage
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=241668&start=200#p5349880
User avatar
Corporal saxitoxin
 
Posts: 13398
Joined: Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:01 am

Re: Overturning ObamaCare: Nov 2nd

Postby saxitoxin on Sun Nov 14, 2010 5:30 pm

Solution to health: get rid of all the Anglo men, give nietzsche Hearst Castle to live in and then bring him all the women he desires with which to repopulate the country.

The report, released in October, found that Latinos in this country outlive both whites and blacks, with a life expectancy of 80.6 years, compared with 77.7 for the nation as a whole.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/edi ... Stories%29
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=241668&start=200#p5349880
User avatar
Corporal saxitoxin
 
Posts: 13398
Joined: Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:01 am

Re: Overturning ObamaCare: Nov 2nd

Postby jbrettlip on Sun Nov 14, 2010 9:12 pm

saxitoxin wrote:Solution to health: get rid of all the Anglo men, give nietzsche Hearst Castle to live in and then bring him all the women he desires with which to repopulate the country.

The report, released in October, found that Latinos in this country outlive both whites and blacks, with a life expectancy of 80.6 years, compared with 77.7 for the nation as a whole.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/edi ... Stories%29


That just proves evolution. The weak latinos die in the desert, and the strongest survive to get here.
Image
nothing wrong with a little bit of man on dog love.
User avatar
Sergeant 1st Class jbrettlip
 
Posts: 1182
Joined: Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:30 pm
Location: Ft. Worth, TX

Re: Overturning ObamaCare: Nov 2nd

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Nov 14, 2010 9:18 pm

GreecePwns wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
Juan_Bottom wrote:
GreecePwns wrote:The point is this: you can't cut your way out of this problem. These measures alone would produce government profits (which would tackle the growing deficits in this nation), use excess revenues to lower taxes or the national debt, and get our nation focusing on the myriad of social issues in our nation. If that's not what you want in the first place, then I don't know what to tell you.

I would vote for you.


Well, if the gov't did not have such a long track record of projects/programs ending up costing double what they initially proposed, you might have a point...

When Medicare was enacted in 1965, official government projections foresaw hospital spending — the program’s largest component — reaching only $9 billion in 1990. Actual Medicare spending on hospital care in that year was $66 billion, or over seven times as high. One result is that Medicare’s payroll tax is now nearly double what its sponsors said would be necessary (having been raised most recently in 1994), and Congress increasingly relies on other revenue sources to meet Medicare’s obligations.


Do not ignore history, embrace it and let it help guide you

not even mentioning Medicare only pays about 60 something cents on the dollars it receives


This is selective use of history. Do you know why Medicare costs more? ...


Okay, and you have a valid point. However, my point was not why is cost more, simply that it costed way more than they said it would . And it's not selective history. That was merely the most simple example to prove. I have never heard of my state coming in under budget, it always always always costs more, for anything. You say you are 17? I think that's what you said...if that is true there is much experience awaiting you and you will eventually know this to be the truth and you will think back to this post and be like "dangggggg"
User avatar
Major Phatscotty
 
Posts: 3714
Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:50 pm

111 new health care waivers granted from Obamacare bill

Postby DangerBoy on Sun Nov 14, 2010 9:41 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:I hope we all become liberal drones.
User avatar
Sergeant 1st Class DangerBoy
 
Posts: 190
Joined: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:31 pm
Location: Nevada

Re: 111 new health care waivers granted from Obamacare bill

Postby Night Strike on Mon Nov 15, 2010 12:04 am

I posted this in the big thread.
Image
User avatar
Major Night Strike
 
Posts: 8512
Joined: Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:52 pm

PreviousNext

Return to Acceptable Content

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users