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[BigBallinStalin]

You're the media man for ObamaCare. You tell us, Phatscotty.

We aren't getting Obamacare anymore though, rendering me basically useless

Oh... In that case...

[Juan_Bottom]

Personally I don't like the multiple revisions, I don't like the original plan, I don't like a lot of this.

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I'm still being told by my insurance that I have a pre-existing condition and that my questions can't be answered until the law takes effect, or someone there reads it. So yeah, I'm still dying over here and it doesn't feel like there's a lot of hope in sight.

[BigBallinStalin]

Personally I don't like the multiple revisions, I don't like the original plan, I don't like a lot of this.

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I'm still being told by my insurance that I have a pre-existing condition and that my questions can't be answered until the law takes effect, or someone there reads it. So yeah, I'm still dying over here and it doesn't feel like there's a lot of hope in sight.

You can check into the hospital and have them foot the bill..... DOES THAT LOOK BAD ON YOUR CREDIT SCORE?

[Phatscotty]

Personally I don't like the multiple revisions, I don't like the original plan, I don't like a lot of this.

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I'm still being told by my insurance that I have a pre-existing condition and that my questions can't be answered until the law takes effect, or someone there reads it. So yeah, I'm still dying over here and it doesn't feel like there's a lot of hope in sight.

We are all going to die someday

[john9blue]

Personally I don't like the multiple revisions, I don't like the original plan, I don't like a lot of this.

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I'm still being told by my insurance that I have a pre-existing condition and that my questions can't be answered until the law takes effect, or someone there reads it. So yeah, I'm still dying over here and it doesn't feel like there's a lot of hope in sight.

wait, so you have a terminal illness??

[notyou2]

Personally I don't like the multiple revisions, I don't like the original plan, I don't like a lot of this.

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I'm still being told by my insurance that I have a pre-existing condition and that my questions can't be answered until the law takes effect, or someone there reads it. So yeah, I'm still dying over here and it doesn't feel like there's a lot of hope in sight.

So big business and the religious right wing is to blame for your death. Is that right?

[Juan_Bottom]

wait, so you have a terminal illness??

Some people here actually know this, though not as many people as I suspected though I got asked a lot about it when I first joined. I have an ultra-rare hereditary skin disease (not unsightly or anything you'd ever notice) that was only recently discovered in Canada. And by recently, I mean very recently. Unfortunately, if it's left unchecked it will kill me one day. The good news is that treatment costs around $1,200 a month. The band news is that I don't have $1,200 a month. That's about how much I make in a month. Once I found out that I do have it, and so does my mother, my insurance claimed that it was a pre-existing condition based on the fact that it is hereditary.

So big business and the religious right wing is to blame for your death. Is that right?

No, it's being born here into a country where I'm safe from everything but politicians and corporations.

[notyou2]

wait, so you have a terminal illness??

Some people here actually know this, though not as many people as I suspected though I got asked a lot about it when I first joined. I have an ultra-rare hereditary skin disease (not unsightly or anything you'd ever notice) that was only recently discovered in Canada. And by recently, I mean very recently. Unfortunately, if it's left unchecked it will kill me one day. The good news is that treatment costs around $1,200 a month. The band news is that I don't have $1,200 a month. That's about how much I make in a month. Once I found out that I do have it, and so does my mother, my insurance claimed that it was a pre-existing condition based on the fact that it is hereditary.

So big business and the religious right wing is to blame for your death. Is that right?

No, it's being born here into a country where I'm safe from everything but politicians and corporations.

Wow, that sucks. Try to marry a Canadian and emigrate, and bring your mom.

[Juan_Bottom]

Try to marry a Canadian

I got ya.
What are you doing in May?

[notyou2]

Polygamy is only legal in BC in Canada and I am on the opposite coast.

[jbrettlip]

A federal judge just struck down part of the Health Care Bill in VA. Of course this means nothing, since it is going to be appealed to the US Supreme Court regardless of rulings by lower courts.

[saxitoxin]

In Commonwealth of Virginia vs. Sebelius, a federal court today ruled Obama's recently enacted programme to compel U.S. citizens to become subsidizers / customers of the for-profit health insurance mega-corporations who bankrolled his campaign, is an unconstitutional violation of federalism.

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/ ... ruling.pdf

In their lawsuit, the Commonwealth argued the law was an "unlawful exercise of police power" by the United States and "encroached on the sovereignty of Virginia."

The court agreed ruling:

"Importantly, it is not the effect on individuals that is presently at issue - it is the authority of Congress to compel anyone to purchase health insurance. An enactment that exceeds the power of Congress to adopt adversely affects everyone in every application."

The court went on to state that good intentions are not sufficient to override the constitution.

"Salutatory goals and creative drafting have never been sufficient to offset an absence of enumerated powers."

The Court will next mull whether the provision, which is the cornerstone on which Obama's entire piece of "landmark" legislation is built, can be eviscerated from the law or the entire law must be scrapped. This sets-up the ...

Democrat-Republican Nightmare Scenario / Saxi Dream Scenario: What if the court rules the rest of the law can stand absent this one provision? This would be a nightmare scenario for Obama, the Democrats, Republicans and the mega-corporations. It would mean Americans would no longer be encumbered by restrictions on pre-existing conditions, the mega-corporations would be out billions upon billions of dollars without the revenue bonanza of an 8% increase in customer base they and Obama had counted upon.

[saxitoxin]

BEATEN!

DAMN YOU, JBRETTLIP!

[Phatscotty]

RICHMOND, Va. – A federal judge declared the foundation of President Barack Obama's health care law unconstitutional Monday, ruling that the government cannot require Americans to purchase insurance. The case is expected to end up at the Supreme Court.U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson wrote that no court had expanded the Commerce Clause of the Constitution to allow the government to regulate a person's decision not to buy a product.

"At its core, this dispute is not simply about regulating the business of insurance — or crafting a scheme of universal health insurance coverage — it's about an individual's right to choose to participate," Hudson wrote.

In his order, he said he will allow the law to remain in effect while appeals are heard, meaning there is unlikely to be any immediate impact on other provisions that have already taken effect. The insurance coverage mandate is not scheduled to begin until 2014.

"The outcome of this case has significant public policy implications," Hudson wrote. "And the final word will undoubtedly reside with a higher court."

[Phatscotty]

DAMN YOU, JBRETTLIP!

[InkL0sed]

Democrat-Republican Nightmare Scenario / Saxi Dream Scenario: What if the court rules the rest of the law can stand absent this one provision? This would be a nightmare scenario for Obama, the Democrats, Republicans and the mega-corporations. It would mean Americans would no longer be encumbered by restrictions on pre-existing conditions, the mega-corporations would be out billions upon billions of dollars without the revenue bonanza of an 8% increase in customer base they and Obama had counted upon.

That sounds nice, but wouldn't that cause health care companies to raise their rates? I thought the idea was to make it more affordable, not less so.

[saxitoxin]

Democrat-Republican Nightmare Scenario / Saxi Dream Scenario: What if the court rules the rest of the law can stand absent this one provision? This would be a nightmare scenario for Obama, the Democrats, Republicans and the mega-corporations. It would mean Americans would no longer be encumbered by restrictions on pre-existing conditions, the mega-corporations would be out billions upon billions of dollars without the revenue bonanza of an 8% increase in customer base they and Obama had counted upon.

That sounds nice, but wouldn't that cause health care companies to raise their rates? I thought the idea was to make it more affordable, not less so.

What protections in the legislation, as it was passed, exist to keep that from happening anyway?

[saxitoxin]

The good news keeps coming today.

Civil rights/free speech activist Julian Assange beat-out the man who's trying to have him murdered by drones, Barack Obama, in the TIME Man of the Year reader's poll: 382,020 votes vs. 27,478 votes!

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packa ... 36,00.html

Today's Score -

Liberty: 2 | Slavery: 0

[InkL0sed]

Democrat-Republican Nightmare Scenario / Saxi Dream Scenario: What if the court rules the rest of the law can stand absent this one provision? This would be a nightmare scenario for Obama, the Democrats, Republicans and the mega-corporations. It would mean Americans would no longer be encumbered by restrictions on pre-existing conditions, the mega-corporations would be out billions upon billions of dollars without the revenue bonanza of an 8% increase in customer base they and Obama had counted upon.

That sounds nice, but wouldn't that cause health care companies to raise their rates? I thought the idea was to make it more affordable, not less so.

What protections in the legislation, as it was passed, exist to keep that from happening anyway?

Well, the idea is that rates would lower because everybody would have healthcare. The companies could offset the fact that they have to keep and accept sick and old people with the new pool of young, healthy people getting insurance.

[saxitoxin]

Democrat-Republican Nightmare Scenario / Saxi Dream Scenario: What if the court rules the rest of the law can stand absent this one provision? This would be a nightmare scenario for Obama, the Democrats, Republicans and the mega-corporations. It would mean Americans would no longer be encumbered by restrictions on pre-existing conditions, the mega-corporations would be out billions upon billions of dollars without the revenue bonanza of an 8% increase in customer base they and Obama had counted upon.

That sounds nice, but wouldn't that cause health care companies to raise their rates? I thought the idea was to make it more affordable, not less so.

What protections in the legislation, as it was passed, exist to keep that from happening anyway?

Well, the idea is that rates would lower because everybody would have healthcare. The companies could offset the fact that they have to keep and accept sick and old people with the new pool of young, healthy people getting insurance.

Oh, so corporate goodwill is the guarantee then.

'k - thanks for the clarification

[notyou2]

Yeah, that's how insurance works.

[BigBallinStalin]

Democrat-Republican Nightmare Scenario / Saxi Dream Scenario: What if the court rules the rest of the law can stand absent this one provision? This would be a nightmare scenario for Obama, the Democrats, Republicans and the mega-corporations. It would mean Americans would no longer be encumbered by restrictions on pre-existing conditions, the mega-corporations would be out billions upon billions of dollars without the revenue bonanza of an 8% increase in customer base they and Obama had counted upon.

That sounds nice, but wouldn't that cause health care companies to raise their rates? I thought the idea was to make it more affordable, not less so.

What protections in the legislation, as it was passed, exist to keep that from happening anyway?

Well, the idea is that rates would lower because everybody would have healthcare. The companies could offset the fact that they have to keep and accept sick and old people with the new pool of young, healthy people getting insurance.

Why would rates lower?

Let's assume that companies can't deny people coverage. They'd have to accept more risks from consumers who they didn't want in the first place. That would encourage them to raise rates in order to compensate for the extra cost of taking in previously unacceptable applicants.

If the government takes those who weren't accepted by the companies, then that wouldn't affect companies. They weren't willing to take them, and now they don't. No change in rates, except for higher costs for the government, paid for by us truly.

[saxitoxin]

Yeah, that's how insurance works.

Naturally. No insurance company would ever think to convert their economy-of-scale savings into increased profit margins by sustaining prices.

But listen, if the goodwill of Obama's corporate owners like the CEO of Aetna, Inc., and his solemn Boy Scouts' oath is good enough for inkL0sed to believe he won't increase prices it's good enough to me. There's no need for legal guarantees. To the best of my knowledge there's absolutely no documented record of a CEO lying.

There are no effective cost containment or prevention measures in the bill.

The bill, if enacted, doesn’t take effect until after the presidential elections in 2013, mostly to let the drug and health insurance industries adjust, though they can scarcely believe their good fortune at being delivered all those profitable customers paid for by taxpayers with scarcely any price restraints.

http://www.nader.org/index.php?/archive ... -Care.html

[InkL0sed]

Oh, so corporate goodwill is the guarantee then.

'k - thanks for the clarification

You seem to have misunderstood. That's ok with me.

Stalin, the point I was trying to make is that the risk of taking in more sick people would be offset by the number of healthy people being added to the system. That's how I understood things, anyway.

[saxitoxin]

Oh, so corporate goodwill is the guarantee then.

'k - thanks for the clarification

You seem to have misunderstood. That's ok with me.

girlfriend, you so sassy!

So, anyway, what is the law or regulation that would prevent one of the insurance mega-corporations who financed Obama's campaign from raising or sustaining rates? Since I seem to be misunderstanding, a simple link will do. THX!