Evolution vs Creation-Comparing each View

[PLAYER57832]

Just remember, you can't blame car mechanics or bankers o even an actor if our kids don't know good science from bad. That this stuff has legs means scientists have failed to teach what they know well enough.

[The Neon Peon]

May I ask a quick question to any person who believes in creation? I am sure this has been brought up before.

How come all our cures/vaccines for diseases stop working after a certain period of time?
Evolution explains this in that the organisms have evolved defenses. What is your explanation?

[Frigidus]

May I ask a quick question to any person who believes in creation? I am sure this has been brought up before.

How come all our cures/vaccines for diseases stop working after a certain period of time?
Evolution explains this in that the organisms have evolved defenses. What is your explanation?

That's microevolution. Evolution would be like us using vaccines and the diseases turning into small mammals. Evolution can only be proven once we find the fabled crocoduck.



That mans face embodies anti-evolution skepticism.

[The Neon Peon]

May I ask a quick question to any person who believes in creation? I am sure this has been brought up before.

How come all our cures/vaccines for diseases stop working after a certain period of time?
Evolution explains this in that the organisms have evolved defenses. What is your explanation?

That's microevolution. Evolution would be like us using vaccines and the diseases turning into small mammals.

Who ever said that? Microevolution is still evolution by definition.

I fail to comprehend how you can think that evolution has to involve bacteria turning into animals by our own vaccines.

[PLAYER57832]

Who ever said that? Microevolution is still evolution by definition.

I fail to comprehend how you can think that evolution has to involve bacteria turning into animals by our own vaccines.

Creationists do!

Link:
http://www.icr.org

and Creationists impact school systems across the US

[Frigidus]

May I ask a quick question to any person who believes in creation? I am sure this has been brought up before.

How come all our cures/vaccines for diseases stop working after a certain period of time?
Evolution explains this in that the organisms have evolved defenses. What is your explanation?

That's microevolution. Evolution would be like us using vaccines and the diseases turning into small mammals.

Who ever said that? Microevolution is still evolution by definition.

I fail to comprehend how you can think that evolution has to involve bacteria turning into animals by our own vaccines.

I MAKE THE RULES HERE, SINNER! I WANT A GUINEA PIG TO GIVE BIRTH TO A UNICORN OR IT DOESN'T COUNT!

[The Weird One]

May I ask a quick question to any person who believes in creation? I am sure this has been brought up before.

How come all our cures/vaccines for diseases stop working after a certain period of time?
Evolution explains this in that the organisms have evolved defenses. What is your explanation?

That's microevolution. Evolution would be like us using vaccines and the diseases turning into small mammals.

Who ever said that? Microevolution is still evolution by definition.

I fail to comprehend how you can think that evolution has to involve bacteria turning into animals by our own vaccines.

I MAKE THE RULES HERE, SINNER! I WANT A GUINEA PIG TO GIVE BIRTH TO A UNICORN OR IT DOESN'T COUNT!

What if it's a wombat that thinks it's a guinea pig?

[Frigidus]

May I ask a quick question to any person who believes in creation? I am sure this has been brought up before.

How come all our cures/vaccines for diseases stop working after a certain period of time?
Evolution explains this in that the organisms have evolved defenses. What is your explanation?

That's microevolution. Evolution would be like us using vaccines and the diseases turning into small mammals.

Who ever said that? Microevolution is still evolution by definition.

I fail to comprehend how you can think that evolution has to involve bacteria turning into animals by our own vaccines.

I MAKE THE RULES HERE, SINNER! I WANT A GUINEA PIG TO GIVE BIRTH TO A UNICORN OR IT DOESN'T COUNT!

What if it's a wombat that thinks it's a guinea pig?

That would prove Buddhism.

[porkenbeans]

May I ask a quick question to any person who believes in creation? I am sure this has been brought up before.

How come all our cures/vaccines for diseases stop working after a certain period of time?
Evolution explains this in that the organisms have evolved defenses. What is your explanation?

Yes, This is a simple example of basic evolution. It is survival of the fittest. You see, when you take an antibiotic, Not 100% of the disease cells are killed. There are always mutations that are not killed off because of a chance resistance to the medicine. They are more fit to thrive in the environment. As their non-resistant brethren are killed off, it makes room for the mutant cell to divide and spread. Wallah, You have just witnessed a living organism evolve into something different than it was. The simple fact that science has proven the theory of Mutation, They have actually proven the theory of Evolution. The whole thing boils down to that one simple truth. You see as all living cells divide, They are actually making copies of themselves. Not all copies are perfect. they are kind of like a mistake, and usually do not stand much of a chance at survival. Picture an African gazelle that is born white. This is a mutation, and its chances are not very good that i will live long enough to have offspring. Its white coat just stands out to much and is easily spotted by every predator around. Now imagine that the earths axis shifted or something happened that suddenly changed the weather in Africa. Now there is snow on the ground. it is not the white gazelle that is going to get eaten. its mutation will allow it to hide in plain site. While its non-mutant brethren are eventually replaced by white gazelles. Because the white ones are the only ones that live long enough to have offspring.

[MeDeFe]

Unicorns can not be born head first. Or do they only get the full-size horn once they're older? In that case it might work.

[The Neon Peon]

May I ask a quick question to any person who believes in creation? I am sure this has been brought up before.

How come all our cures/vaccines for diseases stop working after a certain period of time?
Evolution explains this in that the organisms have evolved defenses. What is your explanation?

Yes, This is a simple example of basic evolution. It is survival of the fittest. You see, when you take an antibiotic, Not 100% of the disease cells are killed. There are always mutations that are not killed off because of a chance resistance to the medicine. They are more fit to thrive in the environment. As their non-resistant brethren are killed off, it makes room for the mutant cell to divide and spread. Wallah, You have just witnessed a living organism evolve into something different than it was. The simple fact that science has proven the theory of Mutation, They have actually proven the theory of Evolution. The whole thing boils down to that one simple truth. You see as all living cells divide, They are actually making copies of themselves. Not all copies are perfect. they are kind of like a mistake, and usually do not stand much of a chance at survival. Picture an African gazelle that is born white. This is a mutation, and its chances are not very good that i will live long enough to have offspring. Its white coat just stands out to much and is easily spotted by every predator around. Now imagine that the earths axis shifted or something happened that suddenly changed the weather in Africa. Now there is snow on the ground. it is not the white gazelle that is going to get eaten. its mutation will allow it to hide in plain site. While its non-mutant brethren are eventually replaced by white gazelles. Because the white ones are the only ones that live long enough to have offspring.

Next time please read my post so you will not waste your time. (Unless you were explaining that to someone else.)

[porkenbeans]

May I ask a quick question to any person who believes in creation? I am sure this has been brought up before.

How come all our cures/vaccines for diseases stop working after a certain period of time?
Evolution explains this in that the organisms have evolved defenses. What is your explanation?

Yes, This is a simple example of basic evolution. It is survival of the fittest. You see, when you take an antibiotic, Not 100% of the disease cells are killed. There are always mutations that are not killed off because of a chance resistance to the medicine. They are more fit to thrive in the environment. As their non-resistant brethren are killed off, it makes room for the mutant cell to divide and spread. Wallah, You have just witnessed a living organism evolve into something different than it was. The simple fact that science has proven the theory of Mutation, They have actually proven the theory of Evolution. The whole thing boils down to that one simple truth. You see as all living cells divide, They are actually making copies of themselves. Not all copies are perfect. they are kind of like a mistake, and usually do not stand much of a chance at survival. Picture an African gazelle that is born white. This is a mutation, and its chances are not very good that i will live long enough to have offspring. Its white coat just stands out to much and is easily spotted by every predator around. Now imagine that the earths axis shifted or something happened that suddenly changed the weather in Africa. Now there is snow on the ground. it is not the white gazelle that is going to get eaten. its mutation will allow it to hide in plain site. While its non-mutant brethren are eventually replaced by white gazelles. Because the white ones are the only ones that live long enough to have offspring.

Next time please read my post so you will not waste your time. (Unless you were explaining that to someone else.)

I read your post. Just commenting is all. Why do you think it was a waist of time ?

[MeDeFe]

May I ask a quick question to any person who believes in creation? I am sure this has been brought up before.

How come all our cures/vaccines for diseases stop working after a certain period of time?
Evolution explains this in that the organisms have evolved defenses. What is your explanation?

Yes, This is a simple example of basic evolution. It is survival of the fittest. You see, when you take an antibiotic, Not 100% of the disease cells are killed. There are always mutations that are not killed off because of a chance resistance to the medicine. They are more fit to thrive in the environment. As their non-resistant brethren are killed off, it makes room for the mutant cell to divide and spread. Wallah, You have just witnessed a living organism evolve into something different than it was. The simple fact that science has proven the theory of Mutation, They have actually proven the theory of Evolution. The whole thing boils down to that one simple truth. You see as all living cells divide, They are actually making copies of themselves. Not all copies are perfect. they are kind of like a mistake, and usually do not stand much of a chance at survival. Picture an African gazelle that is born white. This is a mutation, and its chances are not very good that i will live long enough to have offspring. Its white coat just stands out to much and is easily spotted by every predator around. Now imagine that the earths axis shifted or something happened that suddenly changed the weather in Africa. Now there is snow on the ground. it is not the white gazelle that is going to get eaten. its mutation will allow it to hide in plain site. While its non-mutant brethren are eventually replaced by white gazelles. Because the white ones are the only ones that live long enough to have offspring.

Next time please read my post so you will not waste your time. (Unless you were explaining that to someone else.)

I read your post. Just commenting is all. Why do you think it was a waist of time ?

Are you a creationist?

[The Neon Peon]

May I ask a quick question to any person who believes in creation? I am sure this has been brought up before.

How come all our cures/vaccines for diseases stop working after a certain period of time?
Evolution explains this in that the organisms have evolved defenses. What is your explanation?

Yes, This is a simple example of basic evolution. It is survival of the fittest. You see, when you take an antibiotic, Not 100% of the disease cells are killed. There are always mutations that are not killed off because of a chance resistance to the medicine. They are more fit to thrive in the environment. As their non-resistant brethren are killed off, it makes room for the mutant cell to divide and spread. Wallah, You have just witnessed a living organism evolve into something different than it was. The simple fact that science has proven the theory of Mutation, They have actually proven the theory of Evolution. The whole thing boils down to that one simple truth. You see as all living cells divide, They are actually making copies of themselves. Not all copies are perfect. they are kind of like a mistake, and usually do not stand much of a chance at survival. Picture an African gazelle that is born white. This is a mutation, and its chances are not very good that i will live long enough to have offspring. Its white coat just stands out to much and is easily spotted by every predator around. Now imagine that the earths axis shifted or something happened that suddenly changed the weather in Africa. Now there is snow on the ground. it is not the white gazelle that is going to get eaten. its mutation will allow it to hide in plain site. While its non-mutant brethren are eventually replaced by white gazelles. Because the white ones are the only ones that live long enough to have offspring.

Next time please read my post so you will not waste your time. (Unless you were explaining that to someone else.)

I read your post. Just commenting is all. Why do you think it was a waist of time ?

Because I was asking for the other side. I already know the correct answer.

[porkenbeans]

May I ask a quick question to any person who believes in creation? I am sure this has been brought up before.

How come all our cures/vaccines for diseases stop working after a certain period of time?
Evolution explains this in that the organisms have evolved defenses. What is your explanation?

Yes, This is a simple example of basic evolution. It is survival of the fittest. You see, when you take an antibiotic, Not 100% of the disease cells are killed. There are always mutations that are not killed off because of a chance resistance to the medicine. They are more fit to thrive in the environment. As their non-resistant brethren are killed off, it makes room for the mutant cell to divide and spread. Wallah, You have just witnessed a living organism evolve into something different than it was. The simple fact that science has proven the theory of Mutation, They have actually proven the theory of Evolution. The whole thing boils down to that one simple truth. You see as all living cells divide, They are actually making copies of themselves. Not all copies are perfect. they are kind of like a mistake, and usually do not stand much of a chance at survival. Picture an African gazelle that is born white. This is a mutation, and its chances are not very good that i will live long enough to have offspring. Its white coat just stands out to much and is easily spotted by every predator around. Now imagine that the earths axis shifted or something happened that suddenly changed the weather in Africa. Now there is snow on the ground. it is not the white gazelle that is going to get eaten. its mutation will allow it to hide in plain site. While its non-mutant brethren are eventually replaced by white gazelles. Because the white ones are the only ones that live long enough to have offspring.

Next time please read my post so you will not waste your time. (Unless you were explaining that to someone else.)

I read your post. Just commenting is all. Why do you think it was a waist of time ?

Because I was asking for the other side. I already know the correct answer.

I was not trying to explain it to you. Just backing your view, and trying as best I could to paint a picture that even a dolt could follow and understand.

[luns101]

Eventually, everyone's CC avatar will evolve into a pic of a character from LOST. We can already see the process taking place with porkenbeans.

[porkenbeans]

[MeDeFe]

porkenbeans wasted his time, it is official

[Jennybh]

I have not read all of the more that 2000 posts up to this point, so forgive me if somebody already brought this up. I am a Biblical creationist. I believe that Genesis should be interpreted literally. I also think the the Big Bang is true. In ancient Hebrew (the original language of Genisis) the word used for "day" can also mean "age". I'm not sure if there was another word for "age", but I could be wrong. In other words, I think it is biblical for the universe to be billions of years old. In the big bang theory, the universe (matter, energy, time, dimensions, and the laws of physics) rapidly expanded from an infinately small (zero dimensional) point. Just after the explosion, the area is filled with light and energy. Very shortly after, the light starts to separate, and stars are formed. This is what I think it means in the Bible when light was created first, and then the light was separated from the darkness. The order of everything else fits as well. But even with what I believe to be the strong theory of the Big Bang, the origin of the universe is not explained at all. The Big Bang created nothing! It just explains the process by which everything came to be set up the way it is. You still are left with the question as to where the infinitely small point containing everything in the universe came from. According the our laws of physics, something cannot be made from nothing. Also, everything must have a cause. You are left with the question of "What caused the original cause?" Using only our laws of physics, nothing should exist at all! The answer, then, must be from a source that does not follow the laws of physics; a source from outside our universe. A source from which everything (the laws of physics included) came.
As for evolution, I don't think it is true. The evidence just is not strong enough for large scale evolution. As for small scale "evolution" within a species, I think that is just common sense. Traits do not get passed on well if they result in the early death of those who have them. Anyway, evolutionary scientists have no working theory as to how life began in the first place. There is a widely varying range of theories on this area, none of which are more than guesses. Here is a quote from best-selling author and physicist Paul Davies on this topic.

When I set out to write this book, I was convinced that science was close to wrapping up the mystery of life's origin.... Having spent a year or two researching the field, I am now of the opinion that there remains a huge gulf in our understanding....This gulf in understanding is not merely ignorance about certain technical details; it is a major conceptual lacuna.

Many investigators feel uneasy about stating in public that the origin of life is a mystery, even though behind closed doors they freely admit that they are baffled. There seems to be two reasons for their unease. First, they feel it opens the door to religious fundamentalists and their god-of-the-gaps pseudoexplanations. Second, they worry that a frank admission of ignorance will undermine funding.

As for the biblical evidence regarding evolution, I have not thoroughly researched it because I disagree with it regardless. However, from what I have seen in the Bible about creation, evolution does not seem to be the case. I believe that the Bible and science will never contradict. Both are absolutely true. I believe that both are given to us from God, and He does not contradict Himself.

[comic boy]

I have not read all of the more that 2000 posts up to this point, so forgive me if somebody already brought this up. I am a Biblical creationist. I believe that Genesis should be interpreted literally. I also think the the Big Bang is true. In ancient Hebrew (the original language of Genisis) the word used for "day" can also mean "age". I'm not sure if there was another word for "age", but I could be wrong. In other words, I think it is biblical for the universe to be billions of years old. In the big bang theory, the universe (matter, energy, time, dimensions, and the laws of physics) rapidly expanded from an infinately small (zero dimensional) point. Just after the explosion, the area is filled with light and energy. Very shortly after, the light starts to separate, and stars are formed. This is what I think it means in the Bible when light was created first, and then the light was separated from the darkness. The order of everything else fits as well. But even with what I believe to be the strong theory of the Big Bang, the origin of the universe is not explained at all. The Big Bang created nothing! It just explains the process by which everything came to be set up the way it is. You still are left with the question as to where the infinitely small point containing everything in the universe came from. According the our laws of physics, something cannot be made from nothing. Also, everything must have a cause. You are left with the question of "What caused the original cause?" Using only our laws of physics, nothing should exist at all! The answer, then, must be from a source that does not follow the laws of physics; a source from outside our universe. A source from which everything (the laws of physics included) came.
As for evolution, I don't think it is true. The evidence just is not strong enough for large scale evolution. As for small scale "evolution" within a species, I think that is just common sense. Traits do not get passed on well if they result in the early death of those who have them. Anyway, evolutionary scientists have no working theory as to how life began in the first place. There is a widely varying range of theories on this area, none of which are more than guesses. Here is a quote from best-selling author and physicist Paul Davies on this topic.

When I set out to write this book, I was convinced that science was close to wrapping up the mystery of life's origin.... Having spent a year or two researching the field, I am now of the opinion that there remains a huge gulf in our understanding....This gulf in understanding is not merely ignorance about certain technical details; it is a major conceptual lacuna.

Many investigators feel uneasy about stating in public that the origin of life is a mystery, even though behind closed doors they freely admit that they are baffled. There seems to be two reasons for their unease. First, they feel it opens the door to religious fundamentalists and their god-of-the-gaps pseudoexplanations. Second, they worry that a frank admission of ignorance will undermine funding.

As for the biblical evidence regarding evolution, I have not thoroughly researched it because I disagree with it regardless. However, from what I have seen in the Bible about creation, evolution does not seem to be the case. I believe that the Bible and science will never contradict. Both are absolutely true. I believe that both are given to us from God, and He does not contradict Himself.

I disagree with everything you say but you are at least trying to reconcile your faith with science and thats fine with me. What most of us find intolerable is the utterly blinkered fools ( lets not mince words for fools they are) who insist the earth is literaly 6000 years old and was created in literaly 7 days. In itself being foolish is no great crime, but by brainwashing their children and encouraging ignorance ( via controlled home schooling) they are nothing short of criminal.....they are as far from being 'Christian' as it is possible to be.

[AAFitz]

Very good post Jennybh. I dont even agree with alot of it, but its nice to see someone just posting their beliefs, and not trying to push them off as fact. ((comic fast posted me here...i didnt read his until I posted mine...comical really))

As fas as my belief on why we have not been able to provide the evidence needed to prove to all the beginnings of life, and the evolution of species, is simply because we cannot reproduce the experiment. I believe that when considering it happening naturally, one must give all weight to millions of years, more than anything else. I believe this is the only reason why science has failed to prove to some, and provide concrete examples of not only evolution, but also of life starting itself. We are in the experiment so to speak, so we simply cant recreate the earth as it was, pre-life. And we certainly cant reproduce the passing of millions of years, in which time it is impossible to witness the minute changes, that may occur leading up to life.

Only our imaginations and intellect can fill in the blanks, and admittedly, it is still a theory. But it is hardly a theory without evidence. It may not be conclusive to all, but it certainly is to some. In any case, thats how I can justify the possibility of life without a creator, and evolution.

As far as assuming that a creator is needed to start the big bang, I have no need for that... I believe that there is still so much we do not know about the physical laws of the universe, that there is no need to assume that for whatever reason, there was energy, or there was matter to begin with. When considering billions of years, and millions and billions of years, or billions of billions of years...its not hard to imagine that some interesting things may have occurred to get the process started. Its not as easy as God just deciding to do it one day, but that doesnt mean its not imaginable.

It may very well be that there is the possiblity of either matter or energy can be created. It may be so small as to be negligible, and not fit for any scientific experiment today...but its possible that the universe has gone through millions or billions of big bangs...expanding and contracting countless times...and in that split second, that tiny moment which is almost unimaginable...it is possible, that just the tiniest amount of energy or matter was created...and that everything we see, simply started from absolute nothingness, and that it is only the billions of billions of years that explains its possibility. The problem of course is that reproducing billions of years is impossible, so we compartmentalize it to make sense of it. For me, its more reasonable that like greek mythology, RA, thunder gods, and the countless other religions the world has seen, that God, and the bible are simply constructs of Man, in his quest to set out rules, and provide a story for existence, when the real answer can simply not be known. I do not discount the possibility of a God, or discount how much easier that makes it to explain...but simply do not see the need for one, especially since having a God exist out of the blue, and having matter exist out of the blue, is no more easily explained...and with matter, I can at least prove that exists.

[porkenbeans]

If god does exist, why wouldn't he just wiggle his nose, or wave his arm, or what ever he does, and create the bible himself. Lord knows, he had no problem creating everything else. Why on earth did he leave this task for man ?

I think it far more likely that all of the religions of the world, came from mans' search to explain our existence.

The story of Jesus was merely an evolution of the idea of animal sacrifice, that is common for superstitious and backward tribes of man. I think that as we evolved, we recognized the utter silliness, of killing a lamb every Sunday, to keep the great god on high satisfied.

...I wonder what god did with all of those dead animals until Jesus came along

[Simon Viavant]

In ancient Hebrew (the original language of Genisis) the word used for "day" can also mean "age".

It says very clearly in genesis that it was a day as in "one evening and one morning"

The order of everything else fits as well.

So plants existed for hundreds of millions of years before the sun did?

[Jennybh]

So plants existed for hundreds of millions of years before the sun did?

? That doesn't fit with either view. What do you mean?

[xelabale]

Round and round we go - this thread is retarded.