OBAMA

[Snorri1234]

I dont really call this an argument but--- your wrong. I was unsure about obama till all the "church" issues he had. Plus, i stronly believe he only took on christianity only so he could run for presidency.

Even though doing that would make him unredeemable to any other muslim and if he actually was a muslim he would be put to death?
You do realize that renouncing one's faith is the worst crime imaginable to muslims, do you? You do know about muslim beliefs and traditions, right? Like all those rules he doesn't follow in the least?

Damn, what do you actually know about the Koran and muslims besides what you hear on the news and from Bush?

I mean come on, if he stayed muslim, people would have LAUGHED at him! And i also hate all muslim america haters, but that is NOT to say i hate alll muslims!!

Well if that was true then the fact Obama is a muslim wouldn't matter in the slightest would it? It's not like him being a muslim makes him an america-hater.

[DIXIE]

I'm still awaiting an answer to how his track record has been as an agent for change, or whether he's actually proven quite the opposite

You wont get your answer,I have many times through this thread brought up Obama's stand on many issues,policies etc..they really have nothing to say except I am racist they have a way of shifting the focus off the mans beliefs& experience,bringing up Bush and his follies.If he were my candidate I would be listing the positives and reasons to vote for him,instead of saying oh you dont know what your talking about ,go burn a cross,I could go on ... Speak up and lets put it down,whats all the hype behind Yes!We Can!,if I am misinformed then enlighten me if you will.tell me why you are voting for him,anyone?Solid valid reason because I can assure you I can come up with many reasons I will be voting for John McCain

[Snorri1234]

because I can assure you I can come up with many reasons I will be voting for John McCain

Like?

All I read about him is that he's likely to continue many of Bush's policies on things.

[Juan_Bottom]

Actually Dixie, I like that. Could you do a comparison of McCaine's policies and Oboma's? The ones that matter to you I mean? Maybe you can win some people over?

[danvoy9787]

I dont really call this an argument but--- your wrong. I was unsure about obama till all the "church" issues he had. Plus, i stronly believe he only took on christianity only so he could run for presidency.

Even though doing that would make him unredeemable to any other muslim and if he actually was a muslim he would be put to death?
You do realize that renouncing one's faith is the worst crime imaginable to muslims, do you? You do know about muslim beliefs and traditions, right? Like all those rules he doesn't follow in the least?

Damn, what do you actually know about the Koran and muslims besides what you hear on the news and from Bush?

I mean come on, if he stayed muslim, people would have LAUGHED at him! And i also hate all muslim america haters, but that is NOT to say i hate alll muslims!!

Well if that was true then the fact Obama is a muslim wouldn't matter in the slightest would it? It's not like him being a muslim makes him an america-hater.

Yes, i am not dumwitted enought to NOT understand this.

[jay_a2j]

NO! WE CAN'T!

[joecoolfrog]

I'm still awaiting an answer to how his track record has been as an agent for change, or whether he's actually proven quite the opposite

You wont get your answer,I have many times through this thread brought up Obama's stand on many issues,policies etc..they really have nothing to say except I am racist they have a way of shifting the focus off the mans beliefs& experience,bringing up Bush and his follies.If he were my candidate I would be listing the positives and reasons to vote for him,instead of saying oh you dont know what your talking about ,go burn a cross,I could go on ... Speak up and lets put it down,whats all the hype behind Yes!We Can!,if I am misinformed then enlighten me if you will.tell me why you are voting for him,anyone?Solid valid reason because I can assure you I can come up with many reasons I will be voting for John McCain

This post does appear a tad hypocritical as you have previously said next to nothing about your reasons for voting for McCain yet said plenty about why you wont vote for a black,Muslim,terrorist lover who hates America. Now given that the colour of Obama's skin should be irrelevent, and the other statements are simply fabrications born of your prejudice , why dont you practice what you preach and give us positive reasons for backing McCain.

[jonesthecurl]

NO! WE CAN'T!

Bob the Builder disagrees.

[Napoleon Ier]

I'm still awaiting an answer to how his track record has been as an agent for change, or whether he's actually proven quite the opposite

You wont get your answer,I have many times through this thread brought up Obama's stand on many issues,policies etc..they really have nothing to say except I am racist they have a way of shifting the focus off the mans beliefs& experience,bringing up Bush and his follies.If he were my candidate I would be listing the positives and reasons to vote for him,instead of saying oh you dont know what your talking about ,go burn a cross,I could go on ... Speak up and lets put it down,whats all the hype behind Yes!We Can!,if I am misinformed then enlighten me if you will.tell me why you are voting for him,anyone?Solid valid reason because I can assure you I can come up with many reasons I will be voting for John McCain

This post does appear a tad hypocritical as you have previously said next to nothing about your reasons for voting for McCain yet said plenty about why you wont vote for a black,Muslim,terrorist lover who hates America. Now given that the colour of Obama's skin should be irrelevent, and the other statements are simply fabrications born of your prejudice , why dont you practice what you preach and give us positive reasons for backing McCain.

Him not being a nutcase who wants to increase federal government spending by about $500bn each year in the middle of an economic slowdown?

[Juan_Bottom]

I'm still awaiting an answer to how his track record has been as an agent for change, or whether he's actually proven quite the opposite

You wont get your answer,I have many times through this thread brought up Obama's stand on many issues,policies etc..they really have nothing to say except I am racist they have a way of shifting the focus off the mans beliefs& experience,bringing up Bush and his follies.If he were my candidate I would be listing the positives and reasons to vote for him,instead of saying oh you dont know what your talking about ,go burn a cross,I could go on ... Speak up and lets put it down,whats all the hype behind Yes!We Can!,if I am misinformed then enlighten me if you will.tell me why you are voting for him,anyone?Solid valid reason because I can assure you I can come up with many reasons I will be voting for John McCain

This post does appear a tad hypocritical as you have previously said next to nothing about your reasons for voting for McCain yet said plenty about why you wont vote for a black,Muslim,terrorist lover who hates America. Now given that the colour of Obama's skin should be irrelevent, and the other statements are simply fabrications born of your prejudice , why dont you practice what you preach and give us positive reasons for backing McCain.

Him not being a nutcase who wants to increase federal government spending by about $500bn each year in the middle of an economic slowdown?

McCain is not going to increase spending??? And wouldn't ending the war free up a dime?

[InkL0sed]

Him not being a nutcase who wants to increase federal government spending by about $500bn each year in the middle of an economic slowdown?

Yes, because that's so much more harmful to the economy than a war where we spend 18 million dollars an hour.

[Juan_Bottom]

Daniel Pipes says that if Obama is elected president, G. Bush will bomb Iran during his final ten weeks of his presidency! Does this imply that if McCain is elected he will bomb Iran? Is there any truth to this statement at all? Comments please....

[V.I.]

Excellent point, Ink. I'd also contribute Obama's views on healthcare, renewable energy research and technology, and a comprehensive national energy program far exceed plans by McCain.

I believe Obama will be far more likely to intercede on behalf of working class Americans than McCain when it comes to pharmaceutical companies, HMO's, petrochemical companies and other virtually all other special interest groups.

McCain has also supported Bush's warrentless wiretapping programs, continued presence in Iraq, just voted against increases in Veterans' benefits and the G.I. Bill and wants to make Bush's tax-cuts permanent, which benefit the wealthiest 1% of Americans more than the other 99% combined.

Obama is somewhat of an unknown, untested quantity. However (and I realize comparisons are erroneous, but its that time of year) so were the Kennedy's and, most recently, Bill Clinton.

John McCain has time and again crafted effective bipartisan legislation, however I believe him to be corrupted by two decades in Washington and, should he ultimately become President, entirely too susceptible to the same evangelical right-wing nut-jobs who ran the White House for the past eight incredibly destructive years.

I'm looking forward to the debates between these two "out-of-the-mold" politicians.

[InkL0sed]

Daniel Pipes says that if Obama is elected president, G. Bush will bomb Iran during his final ten weeks of his presidency! Does this imply that if McCain is elected he will bomb Iran? Is there any truth to this statement at all? Comments please....

It's very possible that McCain will bomb Iran, yes. He does seem to want to do that, at any rate.

[wicked]

Agree 100% VI. Here's my simplistic view... Bush has driven this country straight into a recession simply because he's the type that needs to "win" in Iraq. McCain will continue this. Now if you as an American are facing things such as losing your mortgage, DOW dropping 400 points, record high gas, etc..., are you really going to want more of the same?? Americans are desperate for some type of change right now, and that's what Obama represents.

[Napoleon Ier]

Agree 100% VI. Here's my simplistic view... Bush has driven this country straight into a recession simply because he's the type that needs to "win" in Iraq. McCain will continue this. Now if you as an American are facing things such as losing your mortgage, DOW dropping 400 points, record high gas, etc..., are you really going to want more of the same?? Americans are desperate for some type of change right now, and that's what Obama represents.

Funds invested in Iraq is a fraction of the amount Obama will be issuing bonds or raising taxes for. At least victory in Iraq is a realisic and worthy goal. Expanding the role of government to unprecented levels and suppressing individual liberties more than they ever have been is not. Obama sees himself as the grand artichtect of the New New Deal, which in my book makes him a dangerous man.

[wicked]

Even if given a blank check, I don't think Obama could spend nearly as much as 18mill/hr. (if that number is correct)

Yes, because that's so much more harmful to the economy than a war where we spend 18 million dollars an hour.

[Juan_Bottom]

Agree 100% VI. Here's my simplistic view... Bush has driven this country straight into a recession simply because he's the type that needs to "win" in Iraq. McCain will continue this. Now if you as an American are facing things such as losing your mortgage, DOW dropping 400 points, record high gas, etc..., are you really going to want more of the same?? Americans are desperate for some type of change right now, and that's what Obama represents.

Funds invested in Iraq is a fraction of the amount Obama will be issuing bonds or raising taxes for. At least victory in Iraq is a realisic and worthy goal. Expanding the role of government to unprecented levels and suppressing individual liberties more than they ever have been is not. Obama sees himself as the grand artichtect of the New New Deal, which in my book makes him a dangerous man.

Iraq is the new Vietnam. There is nothing noble about what America is actually doing there. The nobleness is just spin. It's about war for profit. And you are talking about Bush's supressing individual liberties, and expanding government, Right? Because McCain plans to continue these policies. And at least in this respect, Americans know just what to expect.

[joecoolfrog]

Agree 100% VI. Here's my simplistic view... Bush has driven this country straight into a recession simply because he's the type that needs to "win" in Iraq. McCain will continue this. Now if you as an American are facing things such as losing your mortgage, DOW dropping 400 points, record high gas, etc..., are you really going to want more of the same?? Americans are desperate for some type of change right now, and that's what Obama represents.

Funds invested in Iraq is a fraction of the amount Obama will be issuing bonds or raising taxes for. At least victory in Iraq is a realisic and worthy goal. Expanding the role of government to unprecented levels and suppressing individual liberties more than they ever have been is not. Obama sees himself as the grand artichtect of the New New Deal, which in my book makes him a dangerous man.

I can only assume that this post was a poor attempt at satire

[Napoleon Ier]

Agree 100% VI. Here's my simplistic view... Bush has driven this country straight into a recession simply because he's the type that needs to "win" in Iraq. McCain will continue this. Now if you as an American are facing things such as losing your mortgage, DOW dropping 400 points, record high gas, etc..., are you really going to want more of the same?? Americans are desperate for some type of change right now, and that's what Obama represents.

Funds invested in Iraq is a fraction of the amount Obama will be issuing bonds or raising taxes for. At least victory in Iraq is a realisic and worthy goal. Expanding the role of government to unprecented levels and suppressing individual liberties more than they ever have been is not. Obama sees himself as the grand artichtect of the New New Deal, which in my book makes him a dangerous man.

I can only assume that this post was a poor attempt at satire

Hmmm. You've read Juvenal, have you?

[DaGip]

I haven't posted in this thread yet, but let me predict...OBAMA to be the next president of the United States!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2 ... re=related

[InkL0sed]

Agree 100% VI. Here's my simplistic view... Bush has driven this country straight into a recession simply because he's the type that needs to "win" in Iraq. McCain will continue this. Now if you as an American are facing things such as losing your mortgage, DOW dropping 400 points, record high gas, etc..., are you really going to want more of the same?? Americans are desperate for some type of change right now, and that's what Obama represents.

Funds invested in Iraq is a fraction of the amount Obama will be issuing bonds or raising taxes for. At least victory in Iraq is a realisic and worthy goal. Expanding the role of government to unprecented levels and suppressing individual liberties more than they ever have been is not. Obama sees himself as the grand artichtect of the New New Deal, which in my book makes him a dangerous man.

I can only assume that this post was a poor attempt at satire

Hmmm. You've read Juvenal, have you?

Obama is no Trimalchio.

[got tonkaed]

I guess one of the things i think will be the difference in both hypothetical presidencies...

In an obama presidency i envision a pretty productive first year or two, as everyone is riding the idea of change and all of the promises that are being made. Spending will be up, as will likely taxes, especially for the upper bracket. After that though, i see the American people growing tired of the idea and either voting in more Republicans or support being curtailed. In all likelyhood spending will not be as tolerated and the last few years will be a bit more stagnant. However i think because of the increase in revenue, we start to see some return in the direction of solvency.

In a mccain presidency i see promises of smaller levels of spending and tax cuts. However given the foreign policy he lays out, there will be needs at times for extra spending or spending that falls outside of the discretionary budget. Likewise the tax cuts he seems to be calling for continuing will not add to revenues. Unfortunately the areas in which he proves to pay for this will fall far short of what they are hoped to do. As a result we have a tightening of the belt as far as revenues are concerned, but still fairly high levels of spending.

Although these views are certainly tinted by a certain viewpoint...ill still maintain the likelyhoods of a mccain presidency are probably worse for the country in the long run than an obama one.

[DaGip]

I haven't posted in this thread yet, but let me predict...OBAMA to be the next president of the United States!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2 ... re=related

I take that back!
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[InkL0sed]

Whoa. I have a quote in Wicked's sig! Score!

EDIT: This is where I got that stat from: http://youtube.com/watch?v=OEAbGxEOhZg&feature=related