Men, Women, Religion, and Arguments

[john9blue]

Seems like a better analogy for the differences between conservatives and liberals: conservatives argue on logic and the rule of law while liberals appeal to emotion.

Arent you the one with the emotional attachment to the sanctity of marrige?

Funny how I have one issue that's marginally emotion based, yet liberals argue every point on the basis of emotion. Republicans wanting to push grandma off the cliff, wanting dirty air and water, wanting to take money away from single mothers, people dying in the streets, and on and on and on.

This is done on both sides, and individual party's aren't wholly flawed, just the extremists/mudslingers/propaganda within them. Your claim/implication that only conservatives argue on logic and rule of law while only liberals appeal to emotion is extremely misinformed.

You keep making vast umbrella statements, and it makes it hard to read what you're saying and take it at face value.

-rd

well said.

this also happens on both sides of the god debate. if one side was completely logical, and the other was entirely emotion-based, then the argument would be over already.

why do people think that their worldview is special? why do people have double standards for their own beliefs and the beliefs of others? take a step back, people.

[bedub1]

God punished them because they disobeyed the second rule which was "no learning". No trying to become greater, to imitate god. The tree of Knowledge of good and evil, of right and wrong, of good ideas and bad ideas, of things that work, and things that don't, of true, and false, of the right answer on the test, and the wrong answer. We were to remain ignorant and sheep, to graze in the fields. We disobeyed god and became people. Disobeying god is the best thing mankind ever did. God is an asshole, and should be told to f*ck off. The entire idea and concept are a blight on society which inhibits our ability to reach our maximum potential.

They could learn anything they wanted to learn because they were in direct communion with God. Your second statement provides the exact reason why they were punished for their sin: they had a desire to imitate God. People are God's creation and it is the ultimate expression of vanity to think that we can be God. That is the underlying sin they committed in violating the simple command of don't eat fruit off this one individual tree. They had plenty of other food sources available to eat from in the garden, but they thought the tree would make them like God and chose to eat from it. Instead, it drove them from the presence of God. You can tell God to "f*ck off" all you want, but no person or society can EVER reach their true maximum potential without Him.

According to your book god created us in him image, so we are god-like. Imitation is the highest form of flattery. They weren't trying to BE god, they were trying to learn and strive to be LIKE god.

In order to for the human species to ever each our true maximum potential, we must shed our childish fantasies, our superstitions, our backwards thinking. We must think for ourselves, and rid ourselves of the old ways. To stop living in the past, and live for the future. It's not just your religion, it's all religions. The jews, the muslims, the mormons, the christians; they all suffer from this affliction.

We must stop the religious from indoctrination our children. We can't change your minds as you won't listen to logic and reason; you are blinded by your faith. We can only hope to educate your children into the reality in which we live, that they will think for themselves.

In short, it's time to grow up and start acting like adults and stop indulging your childhood fantasies.

[Timminz]

Yo, Zappa was a genius. That word's used far to often, but it really applies to him.

He was definitely not crazy.

True geniuses tend to come off as crazy.

Frank definitely fits that description.

[john9blue]

what made zappa a genius, in your opinion?

[Timminz]

what made zappa a genius, in your opinion?

I don't think anyone can answer that question definitively. I would guess it was "nature" that gave him the potential, and "nurture" allowed him to realize that potential.

[john9blue]

sigh.

let me rephrase.

what evidence do you have that zappa was a genius?

what criteria for "genius" did he meet?

that word is very overused and i'm interested in why you used it.

[Lootifer]

sigh.
that word is very overused

Especially in J9Bs' internal monologues.

/ZING

/highfiveanyone?

[BigBallinStalin]

[john9blue]

sigh.
that word is very overused

Especially in J9Bs' internal monologues.

/ZING

/highfiveanyone?

you alone seem to take offense to the fact that i consider myself smarter than the average bear

why

[bedub1]

The difference between faith and insanity is that faith is the ability to hold firmly to a conclusion that is incompatible with the evidence, whereas insanity is the ability to hold firmly to a conclusion that is incompatible with the evidence.

Yes, I believe religious people are insane. Bat-shit crazy. Stupid. Backwards thinking people. Misguided. Brainwashed.

Imaginary friends are for children. It's time for you to grow up.

[bedub1]

[thegreekdog]

The difference between faith and insanity is that faith is the ability to hold firmly to a conclusion that is incompatible with the evidence, whereas insanity is the ability to hold firmly to a conclusion that is incompatible with the evidence.

Yes, I believe religious people are insane. Bat-shit crazy. Stupid. Backwards thinking people. Misguided. Brainwashed.

Imaginary friends are for children. It's time for you to grow up.

I'm amazed that so many insane, bat-shit crazy, stupid, backwards thinking, misguided, and brainwashed children can function in society. Thankfully, such people can never rise to high levels of power and influence in government or business, lest we all become extinct.

I mean Penn Gilette is a magician! He could be president or the head of a major corporation instead of those insane, bat-shit crazy, stupid, backwards thinking, misguided and brainwashed children that are presidents and heads of major corporations, but he chose to be a magician. Oh... and be on Celebrity Apprentice. True signs of genius.

[daddy1gringo]

Well there's clear logical thinking: "My supposition about what would happen=proof."

[john9blue]

the god question IS science.

religion is all the fluff that people attach to the god question.

if all of science were wiped out, we would have a different name for maxwell's equations, newton's laws, bernoulli's principle, etc.

similarly, we would not call god "omnipotent" or "omnipresent", we would have different names for those qualities as well.

The difference between faith and insanity is that faith is the ability to hold firmly to a conclusion that is incompatible with the evidence, whereas insanity is the ability to hold firmly to a conclusion that is incompatible with the evidence.

Yes, I believe religious people are insane. Bat-shit crazy. Stupid. Backwards thinking people. Misguided. Brainwashed.

Imaginary friends are for children. It's time for you to grow up.

I'm amazed that so many insane, bat-shit crazy, stupid, backwards thinking, misguided, and brainwashed children can function in society. Thankfully, such people can never rise to high levels of power and influence in government or business, lest we all become extinct.

I mean Penn Gilette is a magician! He could be president or the head of a major corporation instead of those insane, bat-shit crazy, stupid, backwards thinking, misguided and brainwashed children that are presidents and heads of major corporations, but he chose to be a magician. Oh... and be on Celebrity Apprentice. True signs of genius.

didn't you know? comedians and other media figures are where the vast majority of america's "intellectuals" get their information.

[thegreekdog]

I like Penn Gilette. He's a true Libertarian and he's extremely intelligent. I was merely replying to the assumption that religious people are... the things listed above.

[BigBallinStalin]

The difference between faith and insanity is that faith is the ability to hold firmly to a conclusion that is incompatible with the evidence, whereas insanity is the ability to hold firmly to a conclusion that is incompatible with the evidence.

Yes, I believe religious people are insane. Bat-shit crazy. Stupid. Backwards thinking people. Misguided. Brainwashed.

Imaginary friends are for children. It's time for you to grow up.

I'm amazed that so many insane, bat-shit crazy, stupid, backwards thinking, misguided, and brainwashed children can function in society. Thankfully, such people can never rise to high levels of power and influence in government or business, lest we all become extinct.

I mean Penn Gilette is a magician! He could be president or the head of a major corporation instead of those insane, bat-shit crazy, stupid, backwards thinking, misguided and brainwashed children that are presidents and heads of major corporations, but he chose to be a magician. Oh... and be on Celebrity Apprentice. True signs of genius.

Santorum seems to be doing well....

[thegreekdog]

The difference between faith and insanity is that faith is the ability to hold firmly to a conclusion that is incompatible with the evidence, whereas insanity is the ability to hold firmly to a conclusion that is incompatible with the evidence.

Yes, I believe religious people are insane. Bat-shit crazy. Stupid. Backwards thinking people. Misguided. Brainwashed.

Imaginary friends are for children. It's time for you to grow up.

I'm amazed that so many insane, bat-shit crazy, stupid, backwards thinking, misguided, and brainwashed children can function in society. Thankfully, such people can never rise to high levels of power and influence in government or business, lest we all become extinct.

I mean Penn Gilette is a magician! He could be president or the head of a major corporation instead of those insane, bat-shit crazy, stupid, backwards thinking, misguided and brainwashed children that are presidents and heads of major corporations, but he chose to be a magician. Oh... and be on Celebrity Apprentice. True signs of genius.

Santorum seems to be doing well....

Well, that dude is bat-shit crazy, stupid, backwards thinking, misguided, and brainwashed.

[BigBallinStalin]

Yet he seems to have good chances of "ris[ing] to high levels of power and influence in government or business..."

Generally, his views are ignorant, but it seems to be effective in capturing voter markets.

[natty dread]

I heard a long time ago about Men and Women arguing. During an argument men keep going further and further into logic, reason, facts, and examples. The women keep going further and further into feelings, emotions, fairness. This is why the arguments rarely get settled.

Reported for sexism

[thegreekdog]

Yet he seems to have good chances of "ris[ing] to high levels of power and influence in government or business..."

Generally, his views are ignorant, but it seems to be effective in capturing voter markets.

Sure. Do we want to concentrate merely on Santorum, or should did you want to throw out some more names? Like Mittens Romney? Or maybe George Washington? Abraham Lincoln? Barack Obama? John F. Kennedy? And those are just politicians.

[BigBallinStalin]

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Well there's clear logical thinking: "My supposition about what would happen=proof."

What are your thoughts on this:

If God didn't exist, then people would simply invent him. The concept of god is driven by the demand of consumers for a satisfying religion. The entrepreneur spots this profit opportunity and responds by supplying what people demand--namely, by providing a religion.

[BigBallinStalin]

Yet he seems to have good chances of "ris[ing] to high levels of power and influence in government or business..."

Generally, his views are ignorant, but it seems to be effective in capturing voter markets.

Sure. Do we want to concentrate merely on Santorum, or should did you want to throw out some more names? Like Mittens Romney? Or maybe George Washington? Abraham Lincoln? Barack Obama? John F. Kennedy? And those are just politicians.

So, isn't it false that such people can "never rise to high levels of power and influence in government or business"?

(Oh... you were being sarcastic to bedub, weren't you? I didn't realize... )

[thegreekdog]

Yet he seems to have good chances of "ris[ing] to high levels of power and influence in government or business..."

Generally, his views are ignorant, but it seems to be effective in capturing voter markets.

Sure. Do we want to concentrate merely on Santorum, or should did you want to throw out some more names? Like Mittens Romney? Or maybe George Washington? Abraham Lincoln? Barack Obama? John F. Kennedy? And those are just politicians.

So, isn't it false that such people can "never rise to high levels of power and influence in government or business"?

(Oh... you were being sarcastic to bedub, weren't you? I didn't realize... )

Yes. I was being highly sarcastic.

[bedub1]

Yet he seems to have good chances of "ris[ing] to high levels of power and influence in government or business..."

Generally, his views are ignorant, but it seems to be effective in capturing voter markets.

Sure. Do we want to concentrate merely on Santorum, or should did you want to throw out some more names? Like Mittens Romney? Or maybe George Washington? Abraham Lincoln? Barack Obama? John F. Kennedy? And those are just politicians.

So, isn't it false that such people can "never rise to high levels of power and influence in government or business"?

(Oh... you were being sarcastic to bedub, weren't you? I didn't realize... )

Yes. I was being highly sarcastic.

Yes I was being serious, but TGD was being sarcastic. Society is filled with these crazy people rising to the top. Santorum is a great example. He is to Christianity and the USA what Osama Bin Laden was to Islam and Iraq.

Crazy's like Santorum are just as crazy as Islam religious extremists. They are all bat-shit crazy.

[BigBallinStalin]

Islamic religious extremists make sense. They have mutual aid societies; different tiers of membership bestow different levels of access to the economic club goods. In order to overcome the free-rider problem, these religious groups impose sacrifices (strict clothing enforcement) as a means for adherents to signal their commitment. If you can endure these costs, then you show yourself to be reliable, or good enough to be trusted with contributing to the group.

The Amish do the same thing. I guess that means that they're all bat shit crazy for using a certain model for producing goods?