Why Didn't Anyone Tackle the Psycho? Poll Added

[The Bison King]

If I had to guess as to why no one used violence to deal with that woman's problem in this video is because none of the other students was a member of the Tea Party.

You see Phatsco, many of us "normies" don't immediately think of violent solutions to situations the way that you apparently do.

How did I know you would side with the psycho? Aren't you forgetting that it's not up to the students or me or anyone or what they think when it comes to a person initiating violence on the teacher and other specifically chosen white students and making repeated death threats?

Hopefully if this happens again anywhere around you, you will be lucky enough to be around someone who is "thinking" and does not freeze up or get scared. I can see the headline now "Pimpdavid's life saved by Tea Party death squad!"

Watch the video again. She was threatening everyone not just the white students. She for the most part threatened violence, but did not actually carry it out. Except for at the end of the video, and then she didin't commit violence against the teacher but who I presume to be another student.

Isn't that the way it always goes? She did not commit violence...until she did...

Whats your point?

Cool so we can just punish people for the things they're probably maybe going to do. You're a fucking genius Scotty!

[pimpdave]

[Phatscotty]

Vice president of student affairs Dr. Charles Brown said in a statement that police took Carr off campus and to a hospital for involuntary examination under the Florida Mental Health Act, commonly called the Baker Act. A second video shows a limp Carr being dragged to a patrol car by several officers; WSVN reports police used a Taser to subdue Carr once she was inside the vehicle.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/2 ... 69739.html

Jonatha Carr's apparent meltdown, in which she hit another student, threw punches, and allegedly threatened to kill the professor and other students, was recorded on a cell phone camera and has quickly gone viral, the University Press reports.

"allegedly"? She was screaming how she was going to fucking kill everyone. What kind of shite reporter fails to actually watch the video on which they're reporting? A big shite reporter.

It's not that they are a shite reporter, it's that they share some of the sentiments that other posters here share in giving the psycho the benefit of the doubt.

Also, I think the quote was "I will kill the f*ck out of you!" That might not be a threat ya know....

Haha, sure.

What're your thoughts about the freedom of speech and how it relates to this event?

I think she crossed the line on exercizing her free speech rights when she threatened the lives of others.

[Phatscotty]

If I had to guess as to why no one used violence to deal with that woman's problem in this video is because none of the other students was a member of the Tea Party.

You see Phatsco, many of us "normies" don't immediately think of violent solutions to situations the way that you apparently do.

How did I know you would side with the psycho? Aren't you forgetting that it's not up to the students or me or anyone or what they think when it comes to a person initiating violence on the teacher and other specifically chosen white students and making repeated death threats?

Hopefully if this happens again anywhere around you, you will be lucky enough to be around someone who is "thinking" and does not freeze up or get scared. I can see the headline now "Pimpdavid's life saved by Tea Party death squad!"

Watch the video again. She was threatening everyone not just the white students. She for the most part threatened violence, but did not actually carry it out. Except for at the end of the video, and then she didin't commit violence against the teacher but who I presume to be another student.

Isn't that the way it always goes? She did not commit violence...until she did...

Whats your point?

Cool so we can just punish people for the things they're probably maybe going to do. You're a fucking genius Scotty!

No, we wait until the psycho is done making threats on peoples lives and then hurts someone or takes someones life.....then you can act. It's genius!

You think she made terroristic threats? You think she physically assaulted other students?

I'm gonna have to ask you to watch the video...

[Phatscotty]

* According to the latest US Department of Justice survey of crime victims, more than 6.6 million violent crimes (murder, rape, assault and robbery) are committed in the US each year, of which about 20 per cent, or 1.3 million, are inter-racial crimes.

* Most victims of race crime—about 90 per cent—are white, according to the survey "Highlights from 20 Years of Surveying Crime Victims", published in 1993.

* Almost 1 million white Americans were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by black Americans in 1992, compared with about 132,000 blacks who were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by whites, according to the same survey.

* Blacks thus committed 7.5 times more violent inter-racial crimes than whites even though the black population is only one-seventh the size of the white population. When these figures are adjusted on a per capita basis, they reveal an extraordinary disparity: blacks are committing more than 50 times the number of violent racial crimes of whites.

* According to the latest annual report on murder by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, most inter-racial murders involve black assailants and white victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate that whites murder blacks.

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=79748

Are you sure about that? Seems to me that you're suggesting that crimes committed can be drawn from conviction rates, and that race is a factor in terms of one, but presumably, not a factor in the other.

Aside from your ridiculous dog whistle racism, how, precisely, do you justify calling all crimes committed where the ethnicity of the assailant and the victim is different a racial crime?

Typical Hapsmo BS. Post a bunch of racist stuff, then inevitably, when called out on it, comes the follow up "I can't believe someone would think I'm racist" post. Wait for it...

I can't believe you get all that from his posting of a few facts, which have nothing to do with him.

[BigBallinStalin]

I think she crossed the line on exercizing her free speech rights when she threatened the lives of others.

What is the proper reaction to that?

[Symmetry]

* According to the latest US Department of Justice survey of crime victims, more than 6.6 million violent crimes (murder, rape, assault and robbery) are committed in the US each year, of which about 20 per cent, or 1.3 million, are inter-racial crimes.

* Most victims of race crime—about 90 per cent—are white, according to the survey "Highlights from 20 Years of Surveying Crime Victims", published in 1993.

* Almost 1 million white Americans were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by black Americans in 1992, compared with about 132,000 blacks who were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by whites, according to the same survey.

* Blacks thus committed 7.5 times more violent inter-racial crimes than whites even though the black population is only one-seventh the size of the white population. When these figures are adjusted on a per capita basis, they reveal an extraordinary disparity: blacks are committing more than 50 times the number of violent racial crimes of whites.

* According to the latest annual report on murder by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, most inter-racial murders involve black assailants and white victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate that whites murder blacks.

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=79748

Are you sure about that? Seems to me that you're suggesting that crimes committed can be drawn from conviction rates, and that race is a factor in terms of one, but presumably, not a factor in the other.

Aside from your ridiculous dog whistle racism, how, precisely, do you justify calling all crimes committed where the ethnicity of the assailant and the victim is different a racial crime?

Typical Hapsmo BS. Post a bunch of racist stuff, then inevitably, when called out on it, comes the follow up "I can't believe someone would think I'm racist" post. Wait for it...

I can't believe you get all that from his posting of a few facts, which have nothing to do with him.

Just to be clear, here's his source:

http://www.ourcivilisation.com/usa/racewar.htm

Have fun reading the crazy.

[john9blue]

What would you do if this happened in your classroom?
Why didn't anyone restrain this freak?
What do you think her problem is?
Why do you think the rest of the classmates only started screaming when a bystander tried to deal with the death threats?

any other comments?

- if she acted physically aggressive towards me, i probably would have restrained her or helped someone else restrain her. depends on the situation. otherwise i would not have done anything unless she became violent

- because she didn't become violent

- she has aggression or anger management issues

- because people are superficial and only react emotionally to physical aggression against others, not verbal aggression against others. that's why a wife can verbally abuse her husband for years and then get him locked up once he physically abuses her once.

[saxitoxin]

I think she crossed the line on exercizing her free speech rights when she threatened the lives of others.

What is the proper reaction to that?

This is a great question.

- I think the proper and legal response to death threats is to sue the person for the tort of assault.

- I think the proper response to someone attempting to carry out a death threat (e.g. lunging at you with a weapon, charging, etc.) is (A) retreat, if possible, (B) restrain the person if "A" is not possible, (C) inflict a disabling injury on the person if "B" is not possible [e.g. destroying one of the woman's eyes with a sharp object], (C) kill the person if "C" is not possible [e.g. shooting the woman in the head].

IMO, based on the video, the professor would be entitled to sue the woman for assault, but not injure or kill her.

[Baron Von PWN]

If I had to guess as to why no one used violence to deal with that woman's problem in this video is because none of the other students was a member of the Tea Party.

You see Phatsco, many of us "normies" don't immediately think of violent solutions to situations the way that you apparently do.

How did I know you would side with the psycho? Aren't you forgetting that it's not up to the students or me or anyone or what they think when it comes to a person initiating violence on the teacher and other specifically chosen white students and making repeated death threats?

Hopefully if this happens again anywhere around you, you will be lucky enough to be around someone who is "thinking" and does not freeze up or get scared. I can see the headline now "Pimpdavid's life saved by Tea Party death squad!"

Watch the video again. She was threatening everyone not just the white students. She for the most part threatened violence, but did not actually carry it out. Except for at the end of the video, and then she didin't commit violence against the teacher but who I presume to be another student.

Isn't that the way it always goes? She did not commit violence...until she did...

Whats your point?

Your earlier post said things about the video which did not occur. That was my point. Also in your op you were asking questions as if no one intervened. However they did, after she became violent. Leading up to that point as a civilian I don't think we should become involved, call the police let them handle the crazy screaming person.

If that same person actually does become violent step in, as occurred in the video. If that hasn't happened as a civilian I don't feel justified doing anything.

[saxitoxin]

Also, I notice at one point someone tells the woman to leave the classroom. I think that, if this person were authorized by the property owner (the university) to expel people from its property, he would probably be justified in using physical force to remove the woman from the classroom as a trespasser if she refused to leave (though it appeared she did leave pretty quickly after being told). I suspect probably only the University President, attorney and campus security have an authorization to speak for the university's property interests, though, not some random lecturer.

If the goal is to remove the offending action and the offending action is the woman's mental illness, it seems unclear how one would be able to tackle the woman back to health. There has to be a compounding offense for a bystander to use force.

[Phatscotty]

and maybe it's just the woman's racism...

[HapSmo19]

* According to the latest US Department of Justice survey of crime victims, more than 6.6 million violent crimes (murder, rape, assault and robbery) are committed in the US each year, of which about 20 per cent, or 1.3 million, are inter-racial crimes.

* Most victims of race crime—about 90 per cent—are white, according to the survey "Highlights from 20 Years of Surveying Crime Victims", published in 1993.

* Almost 1 million white Americans were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by black Americans in 1992, compared with about 132,000 blacks who were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by whites, according to the same survey.

* Blacks thus committed 7.5 times more violent inter-racial crimes than whites even though the black population is only one-seventh the size of the white population. When these figures are adjusted on a per capita basis, they reveal an extraordinary disparity: blacks are committing more than 50 times the number of violent racial crimes of whites.

* According to the latest annual report on murder by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, most inter-racial murders involve black assailants and white victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate that whites murder blacks.

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=79748

Are you sure about that? Seems to me that you're suggesting that crimes committed can be drawn from conviction rates, and that race is a factor in terms of one, but presumably, not a factor in the other.

Aside from your ridiculous dog whistle racism, how, precisely, do you justify calling all crimes committed where the ethnicity of the assailant and the victim is different a racial crime?

Typical Hapsmo BS. Post a bunch of racist stuff, then inevitably, when called out on it, comes the follow up "I can't believe someone would think I'm racist" post. Wait for it...

I can't believe you get all that from his posting of a few facts, which have nothing to do with him.

Just to be clear, here's his source:

http://www.ourcivilisation.com/usa/racewar.htm

Have fun reading the crazy.

Hmmm. The ultimate source is the US Department of Justice. I've never seen that site before.

It's also here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

And why would I care what ignorant people think of me?

[Phatscotty]

I think she crossed the line on exercizing her free speech rights when she threatened the lives of others.

What is the proper reaction to that?

This is a great question.

- I think the proper and legal response to death threats is to sue the person for the tort of assault.

- I think the proper response to someone attempting to carry out a death threat (e.g. lunging at you with a weapon, charging, etc.) is (A) retreat, if possible, (B) restrain the person if "A" is not possible, (C) inflict a disabling injury on the person if "B" is not possible [e.g. destroying one of the woman's eyes with a sharp object], (C) kill the person if "C" is not possible [e.g. shooting the woman in the head].

IMO, based on the video, the professor would be entitled to sue the woman for assault, but not injure or kill her.

someone beat me to it. If ANYONE puts their hands on me, then it's on and I don't care who or what you are. It's time to taste the floor and wake up in the hospital. I would like to think I would stay out of it unless I was attacked, but I know I would have stuck up for the other students pretty much the way the one guy finally did. I would have used the animal control tactics too, just like he did.

[Phatscotty]

What would you do if this happened in your classroom?
Why didn't anyone restrain this freak?
What do you think her problem is?
Why do you think the rest of the classmates only started screaming when a bystander tried to deal with the death threats?

any other comments?

- if she acted physically aggressive towards me, i probably would have restrained her or helped someone else restrain her. depends on the situation. otherwise i would not have done anything unless she became violent

- because she didn't become violent

- she has aggression or anger management issues

- because people are superficial and only react emotionally to physical aggression against others, not verbal aggression against others. that's why a wife can verbally abuse her husband for years and then get him locked up once he physically abuses her once.

I like those answers, just wondering though did you see anything racially motivated?

[saxitoxin]

I think she crossed the line on exercizing her free speech rights when she threatened the lives of others.

What is the proper reaction to that?

This is a great question.

- I think the proper and legal response to death threats is to sue the person for the tort of assault.

- I think the proper response to someone attempting to carry out a death threat (e.g. lunging at you with a weapon, charging, etc.) is (A) retreat, if possible, (B) restrain the person if "A" is not possible, (C) inflict a disabling injury on the person if "B" is not possible [e.g. destroying one of the woman's eyes with a sharp object], (C) kill the person if "C" is not possible [e.g. shooting the woman in the head].

IMO, based on the video, the professor would be entitled to sue the woman for assault, but not injure or kill her.

someone beat me to it. If ANYONE puts their hands on me, then it's on and I don't care who or what you are. It's time to taste the floor and wake up in the hospital. I would like to think I would stay out of it unless I was attacked, but I know I would have stuck up for the other students pretty much the way the one guy finally did. I would have used the animal control tactics too, just like he did.

Well if a girl slapped you on the forehead I don't think you're justified in beating her unconscious. You are possibly justified in responding in-kind with a silly-slap fight if you wanted (illustrated below), but - even though you could do that - to avoid the rather ridiculous appearance of having a slap-fight with a girl as your classmates laughed and filmed it for YouTube, I think most people would find it more respectable to just back off and wait for paramedics to arrive to take her away.

[Phatscotty]

I would agree with you if this outburst did not go as far as it did. It went way too far

I'm surprised nobody is sticking up for the students and their right to learn in a violence-free environment.

Also, I'm hearing one of the people attacked was a homosexual. Does this all of a sudden change everything?

[Phatscotty]

* According to the latest US Department of Justice survey of crime victims, more than 6.6 million violent crimes (murder, rape, assault and robbery) are committed in the US each year, of which about 20 per cent, or 1.3 million, are inter-racial crimes.

* Most victims of race crime—about 90 per cent—are white, according to the survey "Highlights from 20 Years of Surveying Crime Victims", published in 1993.

* Almost 1 million white Americans were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by black Americans in 1992, compared with about 132,000 blacks who were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by whites, according to the same survey.

* Blacks thus committed 7.5 times more violent inter-racial crimes than whites even though the black population is only one-seventh the size of the white population. When these figures are adjusted on a per capita basis, they reveal an extraordinary disparity: blacks are committing more than 50 times the number of violent racial crimes of whites.

* According to the latest annual report on murder by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, most inter-racial murders involve black assailants and white victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate that whites murder blacks.

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=79748

Are you sure about that? Seems to me that you're suggesting that crimes committed can be drawn from conviction rates, and that race is a factor in terms of one, but presumably, not a factor in the other.

Aside from your ridiculous dog whistle racism, how, precisely, do you justify calling all crimes committed where the ethnicity of the assailant and the victim is different a racial crime?

Typical Hapsmo BS. Post a bunch of racist stuff, then inevitably, when called out on it, comes the follow up "I can't believe someone would think I'm racist" post. Wait for it...

I can't believe you get all that from his posting of a few facts, which have nothing to do with him.

Just to be clear, here's his source:

http://www.ourcivilisation.com/usa/racewar.htm

Have fun reading the crazy.

Hmmm. The ultimate source is the US Department of Justice. I've never seen that site before.

It's also here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

And why would I care what ignorant people think of me?

Symm, have you no shame! Both you and Pimpdave are posting about race war?????

[The Bison King]

Cool so we can just punish people for the things they're probably maybe going to do. You're a fucking genius Scotty!

No, we wait until the psycho is done making threats on peoples lives and then hurts someone or takes someones life.....then you can act. It's genius!

You think she made terroristic threats? You think she physically assaulted other students?

I'm gonna have to ask you to watch the video...

Yeah I watched the video. I think the situation was handled well. When she started getting physical someone came in and restrained her. No harm came to anyone. Do you actually think the situation would have been improved if someone tackled her, or is that just what you wanted to see?

[Baron Von PWN]

I would agree with you if this outburst did not go as far as it did. It went way too far

I'm surprised nobody is sticking up for the students and their right to learn in a violence-free environment.

Also, I'm hearing one of the people attacked was a homosexual. Does this all of a sudden change everything?

No why would it?

By saying they would call the police/campus security to remove the crazy person they are supporting the students rights.

At what point would you step in scotty?
In the vid she hits someone and is shortly thereafter confronted and apparently physically removed by other students.

I'm not sure what you want from us or the students in the classroom.

[saxitoxin]

I'm surprised nobody is sticking up for the students and their right to learn in a violence-free environment.

I think that's why trespassing laws and police exist. If civilization is in its normal, resting state, which it is (as much as it ever is in Florida) individuals shouldn't be responding to the occasional, minor disruption by beating the disruptors into obeying the law. Obviously in an exigency, such as civil unrest or some other break-down in public order, standards would be different.

[Symmetry]

* According to the latest US Department of Justice survey of crime victims, more than 6.6 million violent crimes (murder, rape, assault and robbery) are committed in the US each year, of which about 20 per cent, or 1.3 million, are inter-racial crimes.

* Most victims of race crime—about 90 per cent—are white, according to the survey "Highlights from 20 Years of Surveying Crime Victims", published in 1993.

* Almost 1 million white Americans were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by black Americans in 1992, compared with about 132,000 blacks who were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by whites, according to the same survey.

* Blacks thus committed 7.5 times more violent inter-racial crimes than whites even though the black population is only one-seventh the size of the white population. When these figures are adjusted on a per capita basis, they reveal an extraordinary disparity: blacks are committing more than 50 times the number of violent racial crimes of whites.

* According to the latest annual report on murder by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, most inter-racial murders involve black assailants and white victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate that whites murder blacks.

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=79748

Are you sure about that? Seems to me that you're suggesting that crimes committed can be drawn from conviction rates, and that race is a factor in terms of one, but presumably, not a factor in the other.

Aside from your ridiculous dog whistle racism, how, precisely, do you justify calling all crimes committed where the ethnicity of the assailant and the victim is different a racial crime?

Typical Hapsmo BS. Post a bunch of racist stuff, then inevitably, when called out on it, comes the follow up "I can't believe someone would think I'm racist" post. Wait for it...

I can't believe you get all that from his posting of a few facts, which have nothing to do with him.

Just to be clear, here's his source:

http://www.ourcivilisation.com/usa/racewar.htm

Have fun reading the crazy.

Hmmm. The ultimate source is the US Department of Justice. I've never seen that site before.

It's also here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

And why would I care what ignorant people think of me?

I'm a little surprised. Your quote was drawn from that site. Indeed, your source directly linked to it. Still, I'm not surprised to see the usual HapSmo "I ain't racist gov, don't know how I came to be posting racist stuff" line. Unsurprisingly, the US Department of Justice does not make the same racist conclusions you seem to have totally inadvertently latched on to, and of course, you will now presumably happily disown, what with you not being a bit of a racist and all...

[Phatscotty]

I would agree with you if this outburst did not go as far as it did. It went way too far

I'm surprised nobody is sticking up for the students and their right to learn in a violence-free environment.

Also, I'm hearing one of the people attacked was a homosexual. Does this all of a sudden change everything?

No why would it?

By saying they would call the police/campus security to remove the crazy person they are supporting the students rights.

At what point would you step in scotty?
In the vid she hits someone and is shortly thereafter confronted and apparently physically removed by other students.

I'm not sure what you want from us or the students in the classroom.

I just think it went on way too long. The teacher didn't even seem to ask her to leave, although he may have. I would have asked her to leave and possibly attempted to escort her out as soon as she said she was going to kill the f*ck out of the one girl

[pimpdave]

Pretty easy to play Monday morning quarterback, Phatsco.

Besides that, what experience do you actually have with being in the presence of someone screaming like that in public? You see it almost every other day in New York. You don't need to tackle them, if you just look down and ignore them, they almost always tucker themselves out. The actual violent ones are quiet and you never see it coming. Don't give the crazy person an audience it usually works itself out.

Anyway, I think it's cool that you like to envision yourself as Rorschach, murdering vigilante and all, but it's kind of naive to be thinking you know the right course of action in that video's situation.

[john9blue]

I like those answers, just wondering though did you see anything racially motivated?

a bit. she screamed at black people too, though. death threats and everything. and she called white people niggas, lol. she didn't make much sense at all. i think she was angry and out of control more than anything, i doubt it had much to do with actual racism.