BigBallinStalin wrote:
Anyway, here's your stance: "they weren't designed to die, the fact that we die, is because they sinned,"
How do you know?
because it's in the bible AND it makes sense scientifically.
there's no biological reason why humans have to die. The fact that we care so much about life and death proves that death is unnatural. The self-healing capacities of the body which suddenly slow down at old age are also very weird and no scientist has really found the reason for it. We can explain the aging itself but not the reason behind it. And we can cure some of the effects but not the aging itself.
Is profit-seeking morally wrong?
if you seek profit, do you think you love your neighbors as yourself? or do you seek profit to be richer then your neighbors, if the latter is the case, it's morally wrong, as it goes directly against the second most important commandment in the bible.
I only suggested this because there was no death in night strikes system. And i'm sure God could create a second habitable planet for the baddies if he so wished.
correct, but the baddies do not want to have god as a ruler, therefore, god gives them the option not to live. for there is no live without god.
No, my parents have to right to dictate what I should do. Again I am sure my parents want what makes me happy etc. but that doesn't give them the right to dictate anything to me. The system proposed by yourself does not provide equality, it has two levels of people; those who earn eternal life and those who don't. Humans are shades of grey and splitting them into two distinct groups is not a solution to the great equality problem.
to god there's either good or bad. but only he can decide who's in the good or bad side. Yes, some people who claim to be Christians will be considered bad, and people who claim not to be christian may be considered good, but even then it's better to try and do what god wants you to do. In the end, there will be equality, because in the end, there are no baddies anymore. This world will reach it's climax soon Jesus will wage war against the devil and his system, destroy it, imprison the devil for 1000 years allowing the remainder of mankind and those who have died before the climax to recover and after the 1000 years the devil will be unleashed for a short period of time for the last time, then the final moment of truth will be, at that point, you can make the ultimate decision, do i want to live in the world where you have lived a 1000 years in peace for the rest of eternity or do you not want to, it's up to you.
By what standard is God perfectly good? God created morality and according to nightstrike, sin is merely disobeying God. God is only good because he writes the definition of good. He is Jesus. As for the 144,000 upgraded humans (with wings?) we are getting into a realm where I wonder why I bother to give you so many, many concessions. Question: How do you decide that this is a literal story but some of the passages in the Bible are not literal?
we do not know what they look like exactly. I do know people who are among the 144.000 but obviously i won't be able to talk to them after they die, at least not now, maybe in the 1000 years of peace, when they act as priests and kings for humanity. I know it's literal because it makes sense that way, i allready explained that it wouldn't make sense for all of humankind to live in heaven, what do we do there, sing songs, collect cards of angels, play magic the gathering, poke fun at the poor souls in hell, wander as ghosts in this world? doesn't make sense to me.
god is jesus? then how do you explain this:
mark 1:11 wrote:And a voice came from heaven: "You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased."
he's pleased with himself?
and this?
Luke 22:42 wrote:Saying, Father, if you be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but yours, be done.
his will and his fathers will are not the same? how can this be if he's one person? and besides, the father is greater then him.
John 14:28 wrote:You have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If you loved me, you would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Luke 3:21 wrote:Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that when Jesus also was baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
jesus often prayed, was he talkng to himself then?
and how do you explain this?
john 11:41 wrote:So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me. 42I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me.”
it is total none-sense to claim Jesus is God. the bible does not support this idea in the slightest.
God is indirectly responsible for everything. Why does he get credited with the good but not the bad? One can't exist without the other.
so if your parents tell you "don't do drugs" and you go out and you do drugs and you get a bad trip from it, who's responsible, you, or your parents?
That is a Logical fallacy. Also God takes sides in wars in the Bible, according to your standard not even God is a true Christian.
it's not, you can not be a christian if you don't accept his kingdom, it's as simple as that. Unlike human governments which are bound by geographical locations, gods kingdom is not bound by a geographical location and you can choose to be either part of it or don't be part of it, based on your actions and believe. Off course not everyone is perfect in their actions, but a true christian will at least try to do best he can. And god took sides in war only to protect (and punish) his nation. To understand that you have to actually understand the basic idea of the bible and it's not something we can discuss easily in a matter of minutes. It takes deep knowledge of the bible.
Your views on evolution are so clearly burying your head in the sand.. you even said there was "no evidence " for it. Enough said.
there isn't you keep saying there is, but there's more evidence for the stories in the bible then there is for anything that counters the bible. furthermore you nor anyone else could ever show me any evidence that convinces me and the billions of other believers around the world that the bible is not true. So who is sticking the head in the sand now?
Don't blaim me for being ignorant, while it is you being too lazy to truly seek the truth and obey gods superior leadership, instead you find it easier to somewhat obey a human government. I seriously can't believe how stupid humanity has become.
gods rules are simple and boil down to only two rules:
1) love god
2) love other human beings as yourself
all of the other rules are included in this one, and are just in place to make life easier on us.
