Christian Pastor Demands Children Be Punched

[Symmetry]

1. My positions aren't bigoted
2. If you disagree with me, that doesn't necessarily make you a bigot
3. "Disagreeing" with homosexuality is just as bigoted as "disagreeing" with interracial marriage

There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with another person's lifestyle.

But it's clearly homophobic if you "disagree" with homosexuality.

[Night Strike]

1. My positions aren't bigoted
2. If you disagree with me, that doesn't necessarily make you a bigot
3. "Disagreeing" with homosexuality is just as bigoted as "disagreeing" with interracial marriage

There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with another person's lifestyle.

So you'd say that none of the following statements are bigoted, then?

"I disagree with marriage between Christians and non-Christians".

"I disagree with gender equality".

"I disagree with the idea that whites aren't superior to other races".

Could you point out which of those is bigoted, which of those is not bigoted, and in what way you would define bigotry?

The first statement is not bigotry. The 2nd statement is a toss-up, depending on the way "equality" is defined. The third statement indicates that the person is bigoted.

[Night Strike]

1. My positions aren't bigoted
2. If you disagree with me, that doesn't necessarily make you a bigot
3. "Disagreeing" with homosexuality is just as bigoted as "disagreeing" with interracial marriage

There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with another person's lifestyle.

But it's clearly homophobic if you "disagree" with homosexuality.

How? Disagreeing with something doesn't make you "irrationally afraid" of it.

[Symmetry]

1. My positions aren't bigoted
2. If you disagree with me, that doesn't necessarily make you a bigot
3. "Disagreeing" with homosexuality is just as bigoted as "disagreeing" with interracial marriage

There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with another person's lifestyle.

But it's clearly homophobic if you "disagree" with homosexuality.

How? Disagreeing with something doesn't make you "irrationally afraid" of it.

Would you describe your fears as rational? And if you're not afraid, why object to gay marriage?

[Night Strike]

1. My positions aren't bigoted
2. If you disagree with me, that doesn't necessarily make you a bigot
3. "Disagreeing" with homosexuality is just as bigoted as "disagreeing" with interracial marriage

There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with another person's lifestyle.

But it's clearly homophobic if you "disagree" with homosexuality.

How? Disagreeing with something doesn't make you "irrationally afraid" of it.

Would you describe your fears as rational?

Considering I'm not afraid of homosexuality, it's a non-issue. All I do is disagree with the lifestyle (and the agenda of using the government to force the rest of us to agree with it).

[Frigidus]

1. My positions aren't bigoted
2. If you disagree with me, that doesn't necessarily make you a bigot
3. "Disagreeing" with homosexuality is just as bigoted as "disagreeing" with interracial marriage

There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with another person's lifestyle.

So you'd say that none of the following statements are bigoted, then?

"I disagree with marriage between Christians and non-Christians".

"I disagree with gender equality".

"I disagree with the idea that whites aren't superior to other races".

Could you point out which of those is bigoted, which of those is not bigoted, and in what way you would define bigotry?

The first statement is not bigotry. The 2nd statement is a toss-up, depending on the way "equality" is defined. The third statement indicates that the person is bigoted.

So as long as it's restricted to marriage you can have all sorts of hateful opinions? What if a "disagreement" with interracial marriage is rooted in the idea that other races are inferior to yours (this is almost always the case)? Also, so that I can stop using quotation marks, can we both agree that by "disagreeing" with something we mean that you find something morally wrong?

[Symmetry]

[Considering I'm not afraid of homosexuality, it's a non-issue. All I do is disagree with the lifestyle (and the agenda of using the government to force the rest of us to agree with it).

How is the government forcing you to agree with it? Is there some sort of punishment?

[Night Strike]

So as long as it's restricted to marriage you can have all sorts of hateful opinions? What if a "disagreement" with interracial marriage is rooted in the idea that other races are inferior to yours (this is almost always the case)? Also, so that I can stop using quotation marks, can we both agree that by "disagreeing" with something we mean that you find something morally wrong?

What hateful opinions did I express in that post? Racism is wrong because all people are descendents of a common ancestor, so the only difference between races is that peoples' skin color developed differently in different environments (and gene expressions changed over time).

[Night Strike]

Considering I'm not afraid of homosexuality, it's a non-issue. All I do is disagree with the lifestyle (and the agenda of using the government to force the rest of us to agree with it).

How is the government forcing you to agree with it? Is there some sort of punishment?

Actually, yes, some groups are working on make it hate speech anytime a person speaks against homosexuality or homosexual activities (even a pastor speaking from a Bible).

[Frigidus]

So as long as it's restricted to marriage you can have all sorts of hateful opinions? What if a "disagreement" with interracial marriage is rooted in the idea that other races are inferior to yours (this is almost always the case)? Also, so that I can stop using quotation marks, can we both agree that by "disagreeing" with something we mean that you find something morally wrong?

What hateful opinions did I express in that post? Racism is wrong because all people are descendents of a common ancestor, so the only difference between races is that peoples' skin color developed differently in different environments (and gene expressions changed over time).

See, now I'm wondering what you define bigotry as. You just stated why racism has no logical foundations (you did a decent job of it), but not why having racist ideas is morally wrong. I would say that one is bigoted if they are intolerant of someone due to their physical features, creed, sexuality, opinions, etc (you obviously disagree with the sexuality part). How would you define bigotry?

[Symmetry]

Considering I'm not afraid of homosexuality, it's a non-issue. All I do is disagree with the lifestyle (and the agenda of using the government to force the rest of us to agree with it).

How is the government forcing you to agree with it? Is there some sort of punishment?

Actually, yes, some groups are working on make it hate speech anytime a person speaks against homosexuality or homosexual activities (even a pastor speaking from a Bible).

So, even without any sources, your answer is no, the government is not forcing you, but you're worried that some groups (unnamed) might work toward that happening.

So, actually, no.

[Frigidus]

Considering I'm not afraid of homosexuality, it's a non-issue. All I do is disagree with the lifestyle (and the agenda of using the government to force the rest of us to agree with it).

How is the government forcing you to agree with it? Is there some sort of punishment?

Actually, yes, some groups are working on make it hate speech anytime a person speaks against homosexuality or homosexual activities (even a pastor speaking from a Bible).

So, even without any sources, your answer is no, the government is not forcing you, but you're worried that some groups (unnamed) might work toward that happening.

So, actually, no.

The Supreme Court has already taken a stand on this. They stated that the first amendment protects the ability of groups like the Westboro Baptist Church to spew whatever vile shit they can come up with, so small time stuff like talking about how homosexuality is immoral is definitely covered. The only way this would change is if we were to amend the First Amendment itself, and good luck with drumming up support for that.

[Night Strike]

Considering I'm not afraid of homosexuality, it's a non-issue. All I do is disagree with the lifestyle (and the agenda of using the government to force the rest of us to agree with it).

How is the government forcing you to agree with it? Is there some sort of punishment?

Actually, yes, some groups are working on make it hate speech anytime a person speaks against homosexuality or homosexual activities (even a pastor speaking from a Bible).

So, even without any sources, your answer is no, the government is not forcing you, but you're worried that some groups (unnamed) might work toward that happening.

So, actually, no.

http://erlc.com/documents/pdf/2009_06_17_demint.pdf

[Night Strike]

The only way this would change is if we were to amend the First Amendment itself, and good luck with drumming up support for that.

There are some Democrats actively working to change the First Amendment right now. Although their actions are allegedly a response to Citizens United.

[Night Strike]

So as long as it's restricted to marriage you can have all sorts of hateful opinions? What if a "disagreement" with interracial marriage is rooted in the idea that other races are inferior to yours (this is almost always the case)? Also, so that I can stop using quotation marks, can we both agree that by "disagreeing" with something we mean that you find something morally wrong?

What hateful opinions did I express in that post? Racism is wrong because all people are descendents of a common ancestor, so the only difference between races is that peoples' skin color developed differently in different environments (and gene expressions changed over time).

See, now I'm wondering what you define bigotry as. You just stated why racism has no logical foundations (you did a decent job of it), but not why having racist ideas is morally wrong. I would say that one is bigoted if they are intolerant of someone due to their physical features, creed, sexuality, opinions, etc (you obviously disagree with the sexuality part). How would you define bigotry?

There's a difference between tolerance and agreement. To tolerate something means you don't interfere with someone else's choices. Disagreeing with something means you don't like the act being done, and probably think it is wrong to do. Bigotry is intolerance, not disagreement.

[pimpdave]

Why does Christianity tolerate punching children?

[Night Strike]

Why does Christianity tolerate punching children?

It doesn't, so please quit trolling.

[Symmetry]

So as long as it's restricted to marriage you can have all sorts of hateful opinions? What if a "disagreement" with interracial marriage is rooted in the idea that other races are inferior to yours (this is almost always the case)? Also, so that I can stop using quotation marks, can we both agree that by "disagreeing" with something we mean that you find something morally wrong?

What hateful opinions did I express in that post? Racism is wrong because all people are descendents of a common ancestor, so the only difference between races is that peoples' skin color developed differently in different environments (and gene expressions changed over time).

See, now I'm wondering what you define bigotry as. You just stated why racism has no logical foundations (you did a decent job of it), but not why having racist ideas is morally wrong. I would say that one is bigoted if they are intolerant of someone due to their physical features, creed, sexuality, opinions, etc (you obviously disagree with the sexuality part). How would you define bigotry?

There's a difference between tolerance and agreement. To tolerate something means you don't interfere with someone else's choices. Disagreeing with something means you don't like the act being done, and probably think it is wrong to do. Bigotry is intolerance, not disagreement.

How tolerant are you when it comes to gay marriage?

[pimpdave]

Why does Christianity tolerate punching children?

It doesn't, so please quit trolling.

Dude, I'm not trolling. I just posted a video of a Christian Church Leader giving making a holy demand in the name of Jesus that children be punched by adults.

[Night Strike]

How tolerant are you when it comes to gay marriage?

We don't need to change the definition of marriage. People can sleep with whomever they want to sleep with, but that doesn't mean society must change its definition of marriage.

[Night Strike]

Why does Christianity tolerate punching children?

It doesn't, so please quit trolling.

Dude, I'm not trolling. I just posted a video of a Christian Church Leader giving making a holy demand in the name of Jesus that children be punched by adults.

So why didn't you say "Why does this pastor tolerate punching children?"? Christianity does not support it or tolerate it.

[Symmetry]

Why does Christianity tolerate punching children?

It doesn't, so please quit trolling.

Dude, I'm not trolling. I just posted a video of a Christian Church Leader giving making a holy demand in the name of Jesus that children be punched by adults.

So why didn't you say "Why does this pastor tolerate punching children?"? Christianity does not support it or tolerate it.

NS, have I been arguing with you this whole time when you haven't actually listened to the pastor?

[Night Strike]

NS, have I been arguing with you this whole time when you haven't actually listened to the pastor?

I did listen to it:

that's not even him. That's someone else

I have no idea what you mean by this. Surely you can accept that it's clear bigotry?

I think he's saying that the voice is not actually that of the pastor. And if it is, why isn't there video?

And where is the "clear bigotry"? That sounds more like advocating violence against children.

[pimpdave]

I think he's saying that the voice is not actually that of the pastor. And if it is, why isn't there video?

Most churches don't videotape sermons, it's too expensive. But it's pretty cheap to record the audio. Many even put the sermons online. Which is how this latest decree that all Christians punch children was sent out.

My big question is, how long has this been going on? Is there some dark, secret Christian child punching ring like the organized system-wide child rape in the Catholic church?

[Night Strike]

I think he's saying that the voice is not actually that of the pastor. And if it is, why isn't there video?

Most churches don't videotape sermons, it's too expensive. But it's pretty cheap to record the audio. Many even put the sermons online. Which is how this latest decree that all Christians punch children was sent out.

My big question is, how long has this been going on? Is there some dark, secret Christian child punching ring like the organized system-wide child rape in the Catholic church?

No.