Romney: Sorry for the homophobic bullying

[Symmetry]

What this story is trying to do is apply the modern day emphasis on bullying and homosexuality in schools to what happened involving Romney 50 years ago. There was no emphasis on bullying in schools then, yet some people are trying to make this into a major news story when it's not. People do dumb things in grade school and high school, so why are we using modern day focuses to indict them? Does the bullying as a high schooler indicate that Romney is a bully today?

If you want to dismiss it, that's fair enough, but what's your take on Romney dismissing it now? I outlined my thoughts in the second post of this thread.

As you'll note, I'm more bothered about his current take than his adolescent bullying.

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As you'll note, I'm more bothered about his current take than his adolescent bullying.

You're more worried about his current take because you define anyone who disagrees with same-sex marriage as homophobes. It's a false comparison and irrelevant to reality.

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As you'll note, I'm more bothered about his current take than his adolescent bullying.

You're more worried about his current take because you define anyone who disagrees with same-sex marriage as homophobes. It's a false comparison and irrelevant to reality.

Do you have a rational reason to oppose same sex marriage? I think I've asked you this before, and we ended up back here.

It's odd, you seem almost to be more offended by people pointing out homophobia that actual cases of homophobia.

Quick test, NS, how many posters would you say are homophobic, and how many do you find annoying for pointing out homophobia?

Don't name names, just give me the numbers, and try to be honest.

[Night Strike]

As you'll note, I'm more bothered about his current take than his adolescent bullying.

You're more worried about his current take because you define anyone who disagrees with same-sex marriage as homophobes. It's a false comparison and irrelevant to reality.

Do you have a rational reason to oppose same sex marriage? I think I've asked you this before, and we ended up back here.

It's odd, you seem almost to be more offended by people pointing out homophobia that actual cases of homophobia.

Quick test, NS, how many posters would you say are homophobic, and how many do you find annoying for pointing out homophobia?

Don't name names, just give me the numbers, and try to be honest.

I haven't seen anyone actively posting in this forum who is homophobic. I've seen plenty of people falsely claiming that disagreement with same-sex marriage is homophobic.

To you, there is no rational reason for opposing same-sex marriage, so you're asking a question in which the answer can never be provided to your acceptance. So what's the point? But, the best environment to raise a child is for both a mother and a father to be in a loving relationship, which is something we as a society should be promoting and encouraging. And we shouldn't be encouraging other lifestyles that aren't the best for our future generations.

[Night Strike]

By the way, this bullying story is falling apart. One of the people quoted in the original story didn't actually participate in the bullying but claimed to have heard about it. Another person didn't even know anything about it until the Washington Post approached her, yet she still gave an opinion on it.

By the way, how could they have done this much in-depth research to find this 50 year old story just 24 hours after Obama decided he would personally support same-sex marriage (even though he doesn't support policy changes)? This whole sequence of events was staged as a political ploy and not some moral epiphany that he suddenly reached.*


*By the way, if you disagree with this statement, Obama himself said they were planning on making this "announcement/decision" later in the summer, but that Biden made it come out earlier than planned. So this was ALL politics.

[The Bison King]

Wow, I'm glad to see that this campaign is really focusing on the issues. When I cast my vote, it's going to largely be based on what my candidate was like in high school.

[chang50]

So what Romney did in high school matters but what Obama did in college doesn't matter? I thought we weren't allowed to talk about a presidential candidate's past.

Since when? How has that ever been a principal applied to any of the presidential candidates? Why is it suddenly a rule for how we shouldn't talk about Romney?

I don't get it.

Maybe you mean 'principle',in this context?Just sayin'...

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So what Romney did in high school matters but what Obama did in college doesn't matter? I thought we weren't allowed to talk about a presidential candidate's past.

Since when? How has that ever been a priniplel applied to any of the presidential candidates? Why is it suddenly a rule for how we shouldn't talk about Romney?

I don't get it.

Maybe you mean 'principle',in this context?Just sayin'...

Thanks, fixed.

[Symmetry]

By the way, this bullying story is falling apart. One of the people quoted in the original story didn't actually participate in the bullying but claimed to have heard about it. Another person didn't even know anything about it until the Washington Post approached her, yet she still gave an opinion on it.

By the way, how could they have done this much in-depth research to find this 50 year old story just 24 hours after Obama decided he would personally support same-sex marriage (even though he doesn't support policy changes)? This whole sequence of events was staged as a political ploy and not some moral epiphany that he suddenly reached.*


*By the way, if you disagree with this statement, Obama himself said they were planning on making this "announcement/decision" later in the summer, but that Biden made it come out earlier than planned. So this was ALL politics.

Interesting, you seem to have a conspiracy theory all mapped out. Roughly when would you say you sold your soul?

Or are you keeping your evidence away from people because it's too good?

[vodean]

ok, speaking as a high school student, even I dont remember all the pranks i pulled in high school. not even all the ones this year (2012)... and i have a great memory.

and lets face it... if you dont make fun of people who are labelled as gay in high school, you are automatically labelled as gay... so what he did was fairly normal.

[Night Strike]

By the way, this bullying story is falling apart. One of the people quoted in the original story didn't actually participate in the bullying but claimed to have heard about it. Another person didn't even know anything about it until the Washington Post approached her, yet she still gave an opinion on it.

By the way, how could they have done this much in-depth research to find this 50 year old story just 24 hours after Obama decided he would personally support same-sex marriage (even though he doesn't support policy changes)? This whole sequence of events was staged as a political ploy and not some moral epiphany that he suddenly reached.*


*By the way, if you disagree with this statement, Obama himself said they were planning on making this "announcement/decision" later in the summer, but that Biden made it come out earlier than planned. So this was ALL politics.

Interesting, you seem to have a conspiracy theory all mapped out. Roughly when would you say you sold your soul?

Or are you keeping your evidence away from people because it's too good?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/bullying-story-sidetracks-romneys-campaign/story?id=16327280#.T62GvcX0_Ak

[AndyDufresne]

By the way, this bullying story is falling apart. One of the people quoted in the original story didn't actually participate in the bullying but claimed to have heard about it. Another person didn't even know anything about it until the Washington Post approached her, yet she still gave an opinion on it.

By the way, how could they have done this much in-depth research to find this 50 year old story just 24 hours after Obama decided he would personally support same-sex marriage (even though he doesn't support policy changes)? This whole sequence of events was staged as a political ploy and not some moral epiphany that he suddenly reached.*


*By the way, if you disagree with this statement, Obama himself said they were planning on making this "announcement/decision" later in the summer, but that Biden made it come out earlier than planned. So this was ALL politics.

Interesting, you seem to have a conspiracy theory all mapped out. Roughly when would you say you sold your soul?

Or are you keeping your evidence away from people because it's too good?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/bullying-story-sidetracks-romneys-campaign/story?id=16327280#.T62GvcX0_Ak

Quick, someone get Mitt Romney's birth certificate. I heard he was born in Uganda.


--Andy

[chang50]

ok, speaking as a high school student, even I dont remember all the pranks i pulled in high school. not even all the ones this year (2012)... and i have a great memory.

and lets face it... if you dont make fun of people who are labelled as gay in high school, you are automatically labelled as gay... so what he did was fairly normal.

Normal but cowardly

[vodean]

By the way, this bullying story is falling apart. One of the people quoted in the original story didn't actually participate in the bullying but claimed to have heard about it. Another person didn't even know anything about it until the Washington Post approached her, yet she still gave an opinion on it.

By the way, how could they have done this much in-depth research to find this 50 year old story just 24 hours after Obama decided he would personally support same-sex marriage (even though he doesn't support policy changes)? This whole sequence of events was staged as a political ploy and not some moral epiphany that he suddenly reached.*


*By the way, if you disagree with this statement, Obama himself said they were planning on making this "announcement/decision" later in the summer, but that Biden made it come out earlier than planned. So this was ALL politics.

Interesting, you seem to have a conspiracy theory all mapped out. Roughly when would you say you sold your soul?

Or are you keeping your evidence away from people because it's too good?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/bullying-story-sidetracks-romneys-campaign/story?id=16327280#.T62GvcX0_Ak

Quick, someone get Mitt Romney's birth certificate. I heard he was born in Uganda.


--Andy

why? have you seen pictures of Romney's family immigrating to Hawaii? Does he have family in Uganda? does he sometimes use it to gain political favor, and sometimes deny it?

[Army of GOD]

some idiot posted a link to an article that talked about Romney's homophobic high school antics and said something like "and he's running for president???"

fucking really? why is this even brought up at all?

god, I hate elections and this is why. Not that I'm a fan of Romney, but the shit he did 50 years ago should be less relevant than the shit I took a few hours ago.

[vodean]

some idiot posted a link to an article that talked about Romney's homophobic high school antics and said something like "and he's running for president???"

fucking really? why is this even brought up at all?

god, I hate elections and this is why. Not that I'm a fan of Romney, but the shit he did 50 years ago should be less relevant than the shit I took a few hours ago.

true... except when what he did is criminal, or makes him illegible to be president... otherwise, everyone has done something similar at some point. if you can provide evidence that romney is a criminal, then we should not elect him.

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some idiot posted a link to an article that talked about Romney's homophobic high school antics and said something like "and he's running for president???"

fucking really? why is this even brought up at all?

god, I hate elections and this is why. Not that I'm a fan of Romney, but the shit he did 50 years ago should be less relevant than the shit I took a few hours ago.

Meh, like I outlined in my posts, I'm not bothered by what he did in the past, I'm bothered by his very recent take on the subject now, while he's running for president.

[Symmetry]

For what it's worth, I don't blame Romney for his homophobia in his schooldays. I don't entirely forgive it, but I don't think I'm right when I don't foregive it. His response to it as a presidential candidate is troubling. If he'd come right out and said he was wrong, and apologised for past misdeeds, I wouldn't have a leg to stand on with this.

As is, he wants to cut in two directions- not accepting he did anything wrong and issuing an apology that is, at best, weak, and at worst, dishonest.

[vodean]

For what it's worth, I don't blame Romney for his homophobia in his schooldays. I don't entirely forgive it, but I don't think I'm right when I don't foregive it. His response to it as a presidential candidate is troubling. If he'd come right out and said he was wrong, and apologised for past misdeeds, I wouldn't have a leg to stand on with this.

As is, he wants to cut in two directions- not accepting he did anything wrong and issuing an apology that is, at best, weak, and at worst, dishonest.

but like i said earlier, it is perfectly understandable that he did not remember, and he did apologize.

by apologizing, he did admit that he was wrong. although the case against him was quite weak (something probably happened, but what? the source seemed pretty vague, just homophobic bullying).

[Symmetry]

For what it's worth, I don't blame Romney for his homophobia in his schooldays. I don't entirely forgive it, but I don't think I'm right when I don't foregive it. His response to it as a presidential candidate is troubling. If he'd come right out and said he was wrong, and apologised for past misdeeds, I wouldn't have a leg to stand on with this.

As is, he wants to cut in two directions- not accepting he did anything wrong and issuing an apology that is, at best, weak, and at worst, dishonest.

but like i said earlier, it is perfectly understandable that he did not remember, and he did apologize.

by apologizing, he did admit that he was wrong. although the case against him was quite weak (something probably happened, but what? the source seemed pretty vague, just homophobic bullying).

I don't think it's understandable. I think you'd like it to be understandable, but I don't believe it. Dude's hedging his bets. Don't trust a career politician simply because he's not Obama. Take a second or two and level the same degree of skepticism you feel for Obama on Romney in this case. Does it pass the smell test?

[PLAYER57832]

and lets face it... if you dont make fun of people who are labelled as gay in high school, you are automatically labelled as gay... so what he did was fairly normal.

So is prejudice perpetuated....

[Army of GOD]

yea, he apologized for damage control, even if he didn't mean it.

[Night Strike]

Just curious, is Romney's alleged bullying worse than Obama's admitted drug use, both of which took place in high school?

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Well, he is 65 years old, I have never been 65 so I can't make any comparisons, but I imagine much is forgotten. There are many possibilities, Perhaps he agonized over it sometime in his twenties then repressed it by his forties. More likely he was a sociopath in his teens and couldn't be bothered to commit any of his many "pranks" to memory.
2 is possible, but I don't see how lying about it to downplay it would make it any worse though, if anything actually remembering it would theoretically make him less of a sociopath.

[Army of GOD]

Just curious, is Romney's alleged bullying worse than Obama's admitted drug use, both of which took place in high school?

neither matter. I don't care if Romney killed four penguins because they were giving him the wrong look. It was so long ago it matters very little.