Daily bible discussion #1

[notyou2]

The Islamist preach of a similar place but you have to kill others to get there.

Who is right?

You're assuming all Islams are murderous extremists. You are grossly mistaken.

I am assuming no such thing. I know that the vast majority aren't. However, I should have said "Some Islamist clerics preach of a similar place..."

However, you didn't answer the question. Which afterlife do you think is correct?

[shieldgenerator7]

The Islamist preach of a similar place but you have to kill others to get there.

Who is right?

You're assuming all Islams are murderous extremists. You are grossly mistaken.

I am assuming no such thing. I know that the vast majority aren't. However, I should have said "Some Islamist clerics preach of a similar place..."

However, you didn't answer the question. Which afterlife do you think is correct?

Islam = Judiasm = Christianity

therefore, it's the same afterlife, just varying opinions about how one gets there

[2dimes]

Easy shield. Re-read how that particular extremist was getting to heaven. You should probably cut him off from "the body".

Oh look how nicely that segued in there. Regarding the body of Christ sometimes you need to cut a part off if it's leading other parts to sin.

[Viceroy63]

The Islamist preach of a similar place but you have to kill others to get there.

Who is right?

You're assuming all Islams are murderous extremists. You are grossly mistaken.

I am assuming no such thing. I know that the vast majority aren't. However, I should have said "Some Islamist clerics preach of a similar place..."

However, you didn't answer the question. Which afterlife do you think is correct?

I was not talking about an "afterlife" but a literal and physical Kingdom to come upon the earth! Usually when people speak of an "afterlife" they speak of spiritual existence as spirits or Ghost on some other dimensional plain of existence and what the Bible clearly teaches is a Resurrection from the Dead and not some "Afterlife" that you go to when you die. This is it and this is what it will always be. Only one day all things will be made new and right again and those who have their hopes in the Lord will be there.

"And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."
-Isaiah 2:4

"And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, ..."
-Mark 9:47

"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."
-Revelations 11:9

I understand that people believe differently but it does not change the simple true teachings of the Bible. People have a billion ways to twist and distort the truth but the Final Judgement is what will finally settle the matter towards one's glory in the Lord or to one's eternal shame.

[BigBallinStalin]

Sure, it'll just happen sometime in the future because this book said so, and this book is infallible, because it's the word of God, and it's the word of god because it's in the book, and... oh geez.

[2dimes]

It was before Yahushua but the Egyptians taught of ressurection and judgement also. What are your loose opinions about that BBS?

[BigBallinStalin]

It was before Yahushua but the Egyptians taught of ressurection and judgement also. What are your loose opinions about that BBS?

Choose whatever sounds best, or accept what you've been told to accept, and then deem that version of the story to be the correct one. If there's a contradiction from the other stories, then deny their validity, appeal to authority (Church, Bible, etc.), then finish with circular reasoning. Religious Strategy 101.

[2dimes]

It was before Yahushua but the Egyptians taught of ressurection and judgement also. What are your loose opinions about that BBS?

Choose whatever sounds best, or accept what you've been told to accept, and then deem that version of the story to be the correct one. If there's a contradiction from the other stories, then deny their validity, appeal to authority (Church, Bible, etc.), then finish with circular reasoning. Religious Strategy 101.

I was actually going for a potential lost knowledge tie in but.. Ok.

[BigBallinStalin]

Yeah well ur wrong. Always and forever and ever and ever.

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I thought it was more about temperance and humility, in that is is preferential to place restrictions upon one's self and admit to their own flaws, rather than fall to temptation just to save face.

[2dimes]

Yeah well ur wrong. Always and forever and ever and ever.

That makes me sad too.

[notyou2]

Yeah well ur wrong. Always and forever and ever and ever.

That makes me sad too.

I hate it when you're wrong 2d. It makes me want to crucify something.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Some parts of the Bible are literal while others are metaphorical! Our job is to discern which is what. To do this it may even be required to be spiritually minded and the spiritually minded person will be the type of person who prays for guidance every day from God.

Now as to those verses quoted in the first post; Many simply miss the whole point of what Jesus was saying. Nowhere in the Bible is physical mutilation of the body endorsed and Jesus was not instructing us to cut any part of our bodies off. He was simply using a hyperbolies to demonstrate how worth it, it is to enter into the Kingdom of God.

To enter into a world so rich in love as to put the love of this world to such shame! To enter into a world where man will not learn war anymore! A world where the human evils of people killing each other and lying to one another and profiting off of the flesh and weaknesses of other human beings, Our human family for humanity is one family of beings; To enter such a world lame is better than to never know it at all.

That is the point that Jesus was making and not that we should cut off our body parts. But that we should do everything possible, even if it is to our own hurt, because the sheer joy and true loving pleasure of being there simply can not be compared to anything that this world has to offer or anything that we may have to suffer or go through in this life. It simply pales in comparison.

It will simply be more than worth it to see the Kingdom of God and to be a part of it, and all those who take it lightly will suffer more regret than anything that they can possibly imagine when they see in the final judgement just what it is that they will miss out on. It will bring tears of sorrow and regret to their very souls in that day as they will then gladly offer their body parts in order to be able to be a part of that Kingdom of Love but it may very well be too late by then as the Lord will say to them, "You just don't get it do Ya? If you do not have love in your heart you just can't come in!"

I wonder if those religious extremists tell themselves similar things before exploding the bomb strapped to their chest.

This world is shit, it's nothing, it's the next one that counts, my sacrifice will be more than worth it ... BOOOM.

[pmchugh]

I doubt it haggis. Sometimes I wonder why religious people grieve and why they fear death, if it is just another stage in the "journey". Personally I think everyone knows, deep down... deep deep down that this is the end.

[2dimes]

Yeah well ur wrong. Always and forever and ever and ever.

That makes me sad too.

I hate it when you're wrong 2d. It makes me want to crucify something.

Ominous organ sounds?

[Viceroy63]

Some parts of the Bible are literal while others are metaphorical! Our job is to discern which is what. To do this it may even be required to be spiritually minded and the spiritually minded person will be the type of person who prays for guidance every day from God.

Now as to those verses quoted in the first post; Many simply miss the whole point of what Jesus was saying. Nowhere in the Bible is physical mutilation of the body endorsed and Jesus was not instructing us to cut any part of our bodies off. He was simply using a hyperbolies to demonstrate how worth it, it is to enter into the Kingdom of God.

To enter into a world so rich in love as to put the love of this world to such shame! To enter into a world where man will not learn war anymore! A world where the human evils of people killing each other and lying to one another and profiting off of the flesh and weaknesses of other human beings, Our human family for humanity is one family of beings; To enter such a world lame is better than to never know it at all.

That is the point that Jesus was making and not that we should cut off our body parts. But that we should do everything possible, even if it is to our own hurt, because the sheer joy and true loving pleasure of being there simply can not be compared to anything that this world has to offer or anything that we may have to suffer or go through in this life. It simply pales in comparison.

It will simply be more than worth it to see the Kingdom of God and to be a part of it, and all those who take it lightly will suffer more regret than anything that they can possibly imagine when they see in the final judgement just what it is that they will miss out on. It will bring tears of sorrow and regret to their very souls in that day as they will then gladly offer their body parts in order to be able to be a part of that Kingdom of Love but it may very well be too late by then as the Lord will say to them, "You just don't get it do Ya? If you do not have love in your heart you just can't come in!"

I wonder if those religious extremists tell themselves similar things before exploding the bomb strapped to their chest.

This world is shit, it's nothing, it's the next one that counts, my sacrifice will be more than worth it ... BOOOM.

And so of course strapping a bomb to your ass and killing a bunch of people might be what love is to you personally but I don't see it that way. I see True Love as doing unto others as you would do to yourself. So if you get a kick out of some terrorist jerk exploding himself right in front of you then hey, may your love dreams come true for ya. But If I would not want that to happen to me then how can I do that to others and still claim that I have love in my heart?

All of the negative comments only show that there is no love there and that you are most likely the kind of person to strap a bomb to yourself and blow yourself up right next to the Conquer Club computer server if it meant that you could stop anyone who would want to post a verse of the day on this thread. Really, if it bothers you that much then why read this thread in the first place??? You are only aggravating yourselves with all of that negative energy.

Now the way that I see it, this thread is called, "Daily Bible Discussion" and normally a "Daily" part implies a new daily topic for discussion or a new Bible verse. So I would like to throw a Bible Verse for today to be discussed. And a video as well. Please feel free to comment all negativity at the cost of simply aggravating yourselves.

"Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I [am] with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished."
-Jeremiah 46:28

Can anyone see a promise of God fulfilled in that verse, in this modern world? Remember that this was written almost 3,000 years ago to the newly form Kingdoms of Israel.

And Finally a video for your consideration.

God's Chisel:
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[pmchugh]

All of the negative comments only show that there is no love there and that you are most likely the kind of person to strap a bomb to yourself and blow yourself up right next to the Conquer Club computer server if it meant that you could to stop anyone who would want to post a verse of the day on this thread. Really, if it bothers you that much then why read this thread in the first place??? You are only aggravating yourselves with all of that negative energy.

Watch out haggis, one day you are being negative towards religion and the next day you will be blowing yourself up.

[jonesthecurl]

Yeah well ur wrong. Always and forever and ever and ever.

That makes me sad too.

I hate it when you're wrong 2d. It makes me want to crucify something.

Ominous organ sounds?

If your organ is making ominous sounds I should get it checked out by a doctor.

[Haggis_McMutton]

And so of course strapping a bomb to your ass and killing a bunch of people might be what love is to you personally but I don't see it that way. I see True Love as doing unto others as you would do to yourself. So if you get a kick out of some terrorist jerk exploding himself right in front of you then hey, may your love dreams come true for ya. But If I would not want that to happen to me then how can I do that to others and still claim that I have love in my heart?

Your whole previous post was about the sacrifices you would be willing to make to get to "the other world". I was hypothesising on whether terrorists have a similar mindset when they make the ultimate sacrifice so they may arrive to their "other world".

All of the negative comments only show that there is no love there and that you are most likely the kind of person to strap a bomb to yourself and blow yourself up right next to the Conquer Club computer server if it meant that you could stop anyone who would want to post a verse of the day on this thread. Really, if it bothers you that much then why read this thread in the first place??? You are only aggravating yourselves with all of that negative energy.

So basically anyone who doesn't agree with your world-view is full of hate and willing to blow themselves up.

I can see that your religion has taught you much about tolerance.

Also, I have no idea where you got the notion that I'm bothered by anything you've said, I've heard this shtick hundreds of times before in all flavours, whether it is Mother Theressa using her resources to give the sick a "righteous death" rather than actually trying to heal them or wether it's fundies saying global warming is irrelevant because the rapture is going to happen soon so it's all moot.

Now the way that I see it, this thread is called, "Daily Bible Discussion" and normally a "Daily" part implies a new daily topic for discussion or a new Bible verse. So I would like to throw a Bible Verse for today to be discussed. And a video as well. Please feel free to comment all negativity at the cost of simply aggravating yourselves.

"Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I [am] with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished."
-Jeremiah 46:28

Can anyone see a promise of God fulfilled in that verse, in this modern world? Remember that this was written almost 3,000 years ago to the newly form Kingdoms of Israel.

Well, to the extent that we can see fulfilled prophecies in Nostradamus I guess.

And Finally a video for your consideration.

God's Chisel:

I guess that's a pretty decent message overall. I can see it helping people who are in a bad place, so I commend them for that.

Having said that, let's look at some things that grated my ears a bit.

0:40 How about instead of praying to become a "masterpiece" you, I dunno, get off your ass and do something about it? I have this weird feeling the guys winning the olympics didn't just pray 12 hours a day for them to be a masterpiece

2:10 One of the most effective tactics employed by religions. Make the person be ashamed and feel worthless for being human and having normal human desires. Then give him the solution (which of course is the religion). Manufacture the desire, then sell the product, brilliant business strategy.

3:20 Oh wow, he actually spells it out that religion requires you to renounce your control over your own life. Nice, most religions and even cults are kind of skittish about admitting to that.

4:00 He sent Jesus to give us freedom. Wait, didn't we just talk about giving up control on your life? I guess it's sort of a slave's freedom, you're free to choose to obey your master or you're free to choose to die.

[2dimes]

Yeah well ur wrong. Always and forever and ever and ever.

That makes me sad too.

I hate it when you're wrong 2d. It makes me want to crucify something.

Ominous organ sounds?

If your organ is making ominous sounds I should get it checked out by a doctor.

I meant 60 foot tall pipes not.. so.. yeah...

[Viceroy63]

A Nation Is Born!

Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram [was] seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.
-Genesis 12:1-4

Has ever a nation just appeared overnight and just came into existence? But only four hundred and forty years from the time that this promise was made did the Kingdom of Israel come into existence. Literally overnight. According to the Holy Bible the descendant of Abraham (according to prophecy as well) became a slave race in Egypt and lead out of slavery by Moses who took them to the land of Canaan.

For centuries it was doubted that this part of the bible could even be true because no evidence existed to support any "Canaanite" or even pre-canaanite civilization, which supposedly the Israelite's with the power of God simply drove off from that land. Thus no Canaanite evidence, thus no proof that the part of the Holy Bible that relates this story is true.

One of the most contentious problems regarding the Exodus investigation is the fact that there is no archeological evidence for various places mentioned in the biblical travel itinerary of the Israelites as they fled Egypt for the Promised Land, Canaan. In an article in the September/October 1994 issue of Biblical Archaeological Review, Charles R. Krahmalkov, then Professor of Ancient Near Eastern Languages at the University of Michigan, points out that various scholars have used this explanation to "reject the entire story" of Israel's origins, and therefore the Exodus.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/roger-isa ... 46337.html

Until that is, recent archeological finds proved the existence of those nations and peoples and places and things without any shadow of any doubt. So what happened to those Canaanites? The Holy Bible explains that God used the children of Israel to drive them out and so they lost identity and became other peoples at other places. Now we know that those people did exist and if they did exist then the way that the Holy Bible tells the story must also be true.

And if a bunch of slaves simply walked out of the greatest empire the world has ever seen at that time to form their own nation by driving out several other nations greater than they out of their own land, is true, then it can only be because of a great and powerful God who made a promise to Abraham, kept His word and made the children of Israel the greatest nation of the time that the world has ever seen.

http://popular-archaeology.com/issue/ap ... canaanites

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/155579

[pmchugh]

Seriously? Shame on you viceroy.

[Woodruff]

Has ever a nation just appeared overnight and just came into existence? But only four hundred and thirty years from the time that this promise was made did the Kingdom of Israel come into existence. Literally overnight.

Uh...what the hell? Words mean things. That's how communication works. Please use words meaningfully instead of using them as gibberish.

[Army of GOD]

Bible literalists are a funny bunch. Whenever you get some scientific evidence that conflicts with the Bible, they should "SCIENCE SUCKS ASS, YOU CANT TRUST IT" but then when science may support something from the Bible you get "HA! THE BIBLE IS RIGHT ALL ALONG!"

[Viceroy63]

Bible literalists are a funny bunch. Whenever you get some scientific evidence that conflicts with the Bible, they should "SCIENCE SUCKS ASS, YOU CANT TRUST IT" but then when science may support something from the Bible you get "HA! THE BIBLE IS RIGHT ALL ALONG!"

I agree with this statement!

About Bible literalist that is.