Legitimate Rape and Abortion- Republicans back-pedal

[BigBallinStalin]

Just a small nit to pick with your post - I'm not sure people in the 13th century believed that a woman "stayed pregnant" only if she wasn't raped. I like to err on the benefit of the doubt, mostly from self-interest - Most 13th century scientific thought was based on the Greeks (who were awesome). Since the Greeks were awesome, the 13th century science must have been awesome, and therefore 13th century "scholars" would never have believed this.

A friendly academic pointed me here:
One example of a woman producing a child as evidence of rape in England in 1313 - her attacker was freed because the child proved it was consensual.

Obviously, those English knaves were unaware of the Awesome Insights of the Greeks.

[QoH]

(Do you realize that major Democrats of old were members in good standing in the KKK?) The real war on woman is being waged in the White House.

First of all, Democrats of old (when the country was first founded) were the Republicans of today. So that argument doesn't even hold any worth or legitimacy.

Second, the war on women is being waged in the White House? That too makes less sense than your previous statement.

[Dibbun]

The congressman was speaking of an evolved trait to reject contraception during forced entry. If a pregnancy occurs, the man should not be charged, even though he did commit rape, but it was against a less evolved person inherently unworthy of societal protection.

[comic boy]

Who cares whether this guy is from the republocrats or the demublicans? That's got nothing to do with anything, as the bipartisan dismissal of his bullshit testifies.

Because it has EVERYTHING to do with Republicans and Democrats. Because people pick nits on Republicans and the most insane comments by Democrats get ignored. What he said was stupid as shit. Because he is a Republican (and no other reason) he is being asked to step down from the race. If he were a Democrat this would never have been covered by the mainstream media in the first place.

And this "WAR ON WOMEN" is equal bullshit. It's as moronic as the notion that the Republican Party is somehow anti African American. (Do you realize that major Democrats of old were members in good standing in the KKK?) The real war on woman is being waged in the White House.

Name the Vice President who got condemned for life for an alternate spelling of potato? What party was he?

How many worse mistakes has Biden made? What party is he in?

So, again, I point out. If he was a Democrat not even Fox News would be covering this story.

And finally I will end with ^^^^^^^^ LOOK UP ^^^^^^^^^ What is the thread title? "Republicans!" Republicans rejected the statement from minute one. The guy himself even said it was a stupid statement and wrong. But the entire party is brushed with the one statement.

Based on this logic, Democrats should commit suicide immediately because of everything Biden has said. Not that I would suggest you follow logic, because Democrats generally don't.

So ultimately your point is that the media is rigged and that consequently only those on the right get bashed . Yet this is an internet forum , there is zero editorial bias , a perfect opportunity to banish partisan bullshit, yet instead you choose to simply indulge in the same !
I see a lot of people on this site who claim to be independent in thought and libertarian in nature yet all of you , with the honorable exception of TGD , default to a rigid conservative position at the drop of a hat.....independent my arse!

[thegreekdog]

Just a small nit to pick with your post - I'm not sure people in the 13th century believed that a woman "stayed pregnant" only if she wasn't raped. I like to err on the benefit of the doubt, mostly from self-interest - Most 13th century scientific thought was based on the Greeks (who were awesome). Since the Greeks were awesome, the 13th century science must have been awesome, and therefore 13th century "scholars" would never have believed this.

A friendly academic pointed me here:
One example of a woman producing a child as evidence of rape in England in 1313 - her attacker was freed because the child proved it was consensual.

Obviously, those English knaves were unaware of the Awesome Insights of the Greeks.

Indeed. Apparently Greek influence (which extended deep into Asia's tight... um... realm) did not extend to the Brits.

[Neoteny]

I find it completely staggering that people are happy to turn the statements of a scientifically inept science committee seat holder about what kinds of rape are socially acceptable into a discussion about the persecution that white, male politics are forced to endure. Good job, guys.

[Neoteny]

This thread should have been three posts long. Sym's op, a conservative distancing reasonable conservatism from Akin, and jay posting his wackaloon opinions on how most of what is now considered rape is actually just foreplay for marriage with a voyeuristic Jesus, and everyone else should have ignored him until the thread fell off the page.

Instead, we are subjected to legitimization of rape apology, and complaining about how liberals, in conservative imaginationland, are never pilloried ever for anything they ever say ever. Christ.

At least Biden has the balls to own his stupidity.

EDIT: corrected authorship

[natty dread]

Guys, stop being rapists. It's not cool to rape.

[kentington]

I may have heard it wrong, but last night they were talking about this on the news. They said Akin is still 10 points ahead.
How is that possible?

[Neoteny]

Because a lot of people share his views on rape, and don't actually care if their science committee members have a clue about science.

[BigBallinStalin]

Because a lot of people share his views on rape, and don't actually care if their science committee members have a clue about science.

Well, suppose rape isn't rape. Therefore, you are wrong.


HA! GOT YOU!

[Neoteny]

Because a lot of people share his views on rape, and don't actually care if their science committee members have a clue about science.

Well, suppose rape isn't rape. Therefore, you are wrong.


HA! GOT YOU!

Obama said "Rape is rape," so there. God hath spoken.

[BigBallinStalin]

Because a lot of people share his views on rape, and don't actually care if their science committee members have a clue about science.

Well, suppose rape isn't rape. Therefore, you are wrong.


HA! GOT YOU!

Obama said "Rape is rape," so there. God hath spoken.

Therefore, you're still wrong. LIBTARD!!!

[Juan_Bottom]

This thread should have been three posts long. Juan's op, a conservative distancing reasonable conservatism from Akin, and jay posting his wackaloon opinions on how most of what is now considered rape is actually just foreplay for marriage with a voyeuristic Jesus, and everyone else should have ignored him until the thread fell off the page.

Instead, we are subjected to legitimization of rape apology, and complaining about how liberals, in conservative imaginationland, are never pilloried ever for anything they ever say ever. Christ.

At least Biden has the balls to own his stupidity.

Props for saying wackaloon, but I want to be clear that I didn't start this thread.
My first post was to point out* that Republican VP candidate Paul Ryan co-sponsered a bill with Todd Akin to end abortion and to create "classes" of rape. For example, they believed** that "forcible rape" was worse than "date rape." And their abortion bill also made abortions following rapes illegal... and just like always, it was worded in a way that also outlawed invetro-fertilization. It's all a stupid waste of time because Congress can't overturn Roe VS Wade without a Constitutional amendment. They're just going out of their way to attack women.
If I remember correctly, when I was researching Ryan I learned that his some of his grand kids are even test-tube babies. It's just, this party seriously makes me depressed. F*cking Missouri.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c112:H.R.212:

*though I said to google it yourself, yeah.

**Ryan has amended his position recently


I thought about starting this thread when I first read the news, which was pretty much instantly, but man; Rape is disgusting and I knew that there would be "get-in-line" republicans here who would defend Akin's statement. You just don't say stupid shit like this or try to legislate women's reproduction when you don't understand women's reproduction. This guy Todd Akin is a f*cking twat and f*ck him

[Neoteny]

Oh. I don't know why I thought you started this one. My bad.

Also, I'm actually not a huge fan of IVF. That might make a somewhat novel thread for this forum if anyone could be bothered to make it.

[Juan_Bottom]

Sigh...
It's a huge trap for Republicans. They've done everything that they can to keep Obama in office, and now I've read that 90% of Americans are angry with our Congress, and that they overwhelmingly blame both houses for the shrinking middle class. So I think it's a safe bet that Democrats are going to gain full power again.
I just really wish that this issue wasn't used as a tool.

[Juan_Bottom]

This was sent to my inbox and I thought that I would post on behalf of anonymous.

Why Akin Matters

We now have Representative Steve King (R., Ostrich) saying that he never heard of a girl getting pregnant because of statutory rape or incest. He thus joins Rep. Todd Akin (R., Clueless) among the ranks of blithering idiots saying incredibly uninformed and disgraceful things about the crime of rape. It might be argued that these are isolated cases of stupidity. That might even be sort of true. The leaders of the Republican Party have jumped with alacrity to defenestrate Akin. But I believe the Akin-King statements and, indeed, the Akin abortion amendment that Paul Ryan supported (and which made a distinction between “forcible” and other sorts of rape) point to a larger Republican problem: it has become a party that, at the grass roots, celebrates ignorance.


I mean, how did Todd Akin get nominated for the Senate in the first place? How did Christine O’Donnell in Delaware? How did Donald Trump surge to the top of the early presidential polls after his birther blather became public? Why do so many Republicans have so much trouble with evolution? Climate change? The non-difference between forcible and statutory rape?

This is not to say that Republicans are, by natural bent, stupid. Indeed, many of the smartest, most erudite, most creative policy thinkers I’ve encountered over the past 40 years are Republicans or conservatives. They’ve been the source of some of the best policy proposals I’ve seen–including the individual mandate for health care, cap and trade (to limit sodium sulfur-dioxide), school choice, work requirements for welfare recipients. In foreign policy, they’ve been well-represented by realists like Brent Scowcroft, James Baker, Bob Zoellick and their boss, George H.W. Bush.


But the Republican Party that produced such thinkers is, as we all know, gone now. And what we have is a party that too often acquiesces–with rolled eyes and grimaces, to be sure–in the know-nothing idiocy of a plurality of its base. There was a period when the Democrats suffered from a similar malady–the days of racial quotas, overweening sociological tolerance of criminality and the belief that the U.S. is almost always wrong when it uses force overseas. The Democrats still have some outliers who believe such things. But Bill Clinton showed that Democrats could reform themselves; Barack Obama’s reliance on ideas that were originally Republican or bipartisan in much of his domestic agenda is a reflection of the permanence of that change.

The Republicans, by contrast, seem in the midst of falling through a spider hole, away from facts and reality, into a past where “reality” was determined by faith and fear, before the scientific method was invented. There are some honest voices–like Jon Huntsman who, in the primaries, defended evolution and acknowledged climate change (Mitt Romney also said he believed evolution was God’s plan; I agree with that). But you saw how well Huntsman did in the primaries–and you’ve seen how far Romney has had to tack toward silliness to win the nomination.

In the end, Todd Akin is not an outlier. He is a symptom of the disease. It will be interesting to see, if he stays in the race, whether the good people of Missouri decide he should be a United States Senator.

[rdsrds2120]

I get harassing e-mails from Cecile Richards asking for money.




























ROMNEY 2012!!

[Night Strike]

I may have heard it wrong, but last night they were talking about this on the news. They said Akin is still 10 points ahead.
How is that possible?

Because Claire McCaskill is a horrible Senator.

Hmmm.....weren't we all talking about Fluke being a Democrat operative and not an "oppressed law student"?

[tzor]

I'm english, i don't ultimately give a toss about your weird and fanatical tribalism, and you have said nothing about this moron's claims that women who are 'legitimately' raped will not get pregnant because their bodies will magically stop it happening. Instead, with wearying predictability, you keep banging on as if you and this idiot congressman are victims of some media/liberal witch hunt, or whatever it is. In doing so you prove my point, for which i thank you.

I'm quite aware of that fact, but I'm trying to hold on to the notion that REAL Englishmen don't shove their opinions on subjects that they have no good understanding on only to be exposed for the lack of knowledge in that area. Thus your forray into the world of American politics and media is about as dim witted as a forray by me into the world of English politics and tabloids.

So again LOOK UP. The subject isn't that there is in the United States a person who made one (and only one) completely moronic statement. The thread itself is an agrument that every single Republican is a primitive neanderthal. That is the current line of the Democratic party at this point in time. That is my point and my argument.

As for the "idiot," he has already admitted that what he said was stupid and wrong. I'm sure in your entire life you have never said anything stupid or wrong. (Oh what am I saying, your English, of course you haven't.) In point of fact the people complaining the loudest for him to leave the ticket were REPUBLICANS. Not even his opponent called him on it and suggested he withdraw.

We have serious problems in the United States, but right now, the top two issues are one person saying someting biologically stupid and another person who skinnydipped in the Sea of Gallilee.

[natty dread]

Republicans are funny. I wish we had them here so we could point and laugh at them.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/01/26/g ... exual-sex/

Tennessee state Sen. Stacey Campfield (R) falsely claimed on Thursday that it was nearly impossible for someone to contract AIDS through heterosexual contact.

“Most people realize that AIDS came from the homosexual community,” he told Michelangelo Signorile, who hosts a radio program on SiriusXM OutQ. “It was one guy screwing a monkey, if I recall correctly, and then having sex with men. It was an airline pilot, if I recall.”

“My understanding is that it is virtually — not completely, but virtually — impossible to contract AIDS through heterosexual sex.”

[thegreekdog]

Okay, so here's what I've pieced together:

(1) Jackass Republican senatorial candidate says something stupid.
(2) Democrats attack.
(3) Republicans defend.
(4) Democrats attack Republicans defense.

Numbers 3 and 4 are most troubling. I received an email today from the Obama campaign where the title was "legitimate rape." I thought it was one of you guys; it wasn't. It was from the Obama campaign. This is the problem; this will now be an issue in the political race when abortion is not really an issue in the presidential race at all. Neither president can do anything to curtail abortion. Congress cannot do anything to curtail abortion. Ridiculous. The political process in this country annoys the shit out of me sometimes.

And yes, I blame the Republicans for starting this whole thing for defending this jackass.

[Night Strike]

And yes, I blame the Republicans for starting this whole thing for defending this jackass.

Actually, Republicans haven't defended him, which has been the major problem in this sequence of events. They don't have to support what he said (which he has already repeatedly apologized for), but they would rather lose the seat over the one comment. It's completely stupid. Also, since the campaign committees and Super PACs don't want to support Akin anymore, he just went and raised $100,000 yesterday.

[thegreekdog]

And yes, I blame the Republicans for starting this whole thing for defending this jackass.

Actually, Republicans haven't defended him, which has been the major problem in this sequence of events. They don't have to support what he said (which he has already repeatedly apologized for), but they would rather lose the seat over the one comment. It's completely stupid. Also, since the campaign committees and Super PACs don't want to support Akin anymore, he just went and raised $100,000 yesterday.

I know two Republicans who have defended him on this website.

[kentington]

And yes, I blame the Republicans for starting this whole thing for defending this jackass.

Actually, Republicans haven't defended him, which has been the major problem in this sequence of events. They don't have to support what he said (which he has already repeatedly apologized for), but they would rather lose the seat over the one comment. It's completely stupid. Also, since the campaign committees and Super PACs don't want to support Akin anymore, he just went and raised $100,000 yesterday.

I know two Republicans who have defended him on this website.

I seriously laughed very loudly at work just now. Now everyone knows I am browsing the internet.

I think the reasons a lot of Rep.s are distancing is because they don't want his statements used against them. After all, these are politicians and they want their seat. Also, it was a nutty thing to say and you can't do that in politics unless you are the VP.